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Chaos2Frozen · 2013-01-14, 06:11

8s and 9s aren't scores you would give for an average or 'not bad' games.

Vladrave · 2013-01-14, 06:21

It's a good game. It's not just up for DMC standards in terms of Advanced combat.
Castlevania: Lords of Shadow is still way better in combat and that is also a reboot.

Chaos2Frozen · 2013-01-14, 06:24

With all the 9-ish scores it implies that DmC must have done something excellent that would overlook the minor flaws (Cause no game is perfect).

So I'm not exactly sure what is it that they did great.

Vladrave · 2013-01-14, 06:25

That is something that we need to find ourselves by playing the full game itself honestly.

RRW · 2013-01-14, 06:25

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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

8s and 9s aren't scores you would give for an average or 'not bad' games.

Tokkan · 2013-01-14, 06:28

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Originally Posted by RRW

If that's how people view review scales, just goes to show you that the review scales should be removed completely because people are stupid.

Vladrave · 2013-01-14, 06:28

DMC and DMC 3 are on the Outstanding part.

RRW · 2013-01-14, 06:44

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Originally Posted by Tokkan

If that's how people view review scales, just goes to show you that the review scales should be removed completely because people are stupid.

TBH that graph is kinda exaggerated.

the way i judge the game usually (based on metacritic score)

1-5: BAD. wont play unleash if there is strong positive feedback
6: Flawed
7: Average
8-9: Good or I having fun with it
10: No glaring issue

of course if there is a strong critic from other gamers that against the score. I will listen it.

Vladrave · 2013-01-14, 06:45

7 or 7.5 is honestly where "good" is supposed to be.

Tokkan · 2013-01-14, 06:56

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Originally Posted by RRW

of course i use metacritic score instead individual websites score

Metacritic is a putrid filthy disgusting website that has more power and pull than it should.

RRW · 2013-01-14, 07:03

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Originally Posted by Tokkan

Metacritic is a putrid filthy disgusting website that has more power and pull than it should.

All I know they just collect game score and take average.

so far, roughly 80% of game that i play roughly match with metacritic score

If other gamer say the game is bad even if it good review then I listen. of course it has to be a valid excuse not just "the game is bad because the last 5 minute sucks!" stuff.

same also if the game have bad score but other gamer say it's a good game. then I will try the game

Tokkan · 2013-01-14, 07:25

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Originally Posted by RRW

All I know they just collect game score and take average.

I shall list problems with metacritic.

1. They convert scores of different scales 1:1 to a percentage-based scale, but this is flawed because not all scales are 1:1 with each other.

2. They also give the more popular websites more weight than the less popular ones.

3. The user reviews are done mostly by idiots who think it's actually humanly possible for something to be bad enough to deserve scores of 3 or lower. The idea that anything could be that bad is the stuff of nightmares.

4. Game publishers have recently been using metacritic as a measuring stick for successs, which itself has caused a backlash from games journalists who do not like this level of responsibility being dumped on them. Worse still, Obsidian failed to receive full payment from Bethesda for their developing of Fallout New Vegas because the game was 1 point less of the stipulated metacritic score of 85 as given in their contract to develop it.

5. Perhaps most controversial, Gamespot initially put up a fraudulent review of the game Natural Selection 2 but have since taken it down and replaced it with a more informed review, but Metacritic have refused to remove the old score and review quote because of some flawed policy.

RRW · 2013-01-14, 07:46

1. Fair point

2. Do they really skew the result. say if IGN give game 9 will metacritic change it to 10?

3. Is not like i care about user review score most of them are troll anyway -_-. thought if it have valid criticism (and many people agree) then i listen

4. I heard that news before. while it certainly bad for obsidian (and the "bad person" is T2). I dont see how this effecting MC score vs Game quality. NV deserve 85 from what I heard. A very good game but plague with bug which consider to be worse than Fallout 3 (thought it's 70 in my book)

5. Hmm never heard that news before. thought looking from situation, even if they fixed the score. it doesnt really effect the overall score.

Kyero Fox · 2013-01-14, 07:58

Told yall it wasn't going to be garbage. Rent worthy maybe to some. I honestly don't see anyone buying and keeping it tho.

Chaos2Frozen · 2013-01-14, 08:09

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Originally Posted by Kyero Fox

Told yall it wasn't going to be garbage. Rent worthy maybe to some. I honestly don't see anyone buying and keeping it tho.

Garbage would be exaggerating- but it certainly did not live up to the standards that the developers have set themselves.

Vladrave · 2013-01-14, 08:13

^This. The story might be more understandable but they keep saying that gameplay is "Evolved". Certainly not the case here for "Advanced combat" in my opinion so far. Hope it would prove me wrong though because DmC have much more freedom and accessibility in weapons than any Hack N' Slash/Action game.

kiak666 · 2013-01-14, 08:34

Just watched the walkthrough videos (including all the boss battles):

Spoiler for Thoughts On Final Boss:

holybell84 · 2013-01-14, 08:47

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Originally Posted by kiak666

Just watched the walkthrough videos (including all the boss battles):

Spoiler for Thoughts On Final Boss:

[SPOILER]
Not an exact doppelganger, it seems that he split his angel and demon side.
[\SPOILER]

kiak666 · 2013-01-14, 09:15

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Originally Posted by holybell84

[SPOILER]

Spoiler for :

Spoiler for Spoiler For Final Boss:

defki · 2013-01-14, 09:26

What a joke Jim Sterling is. This man is among the loudes when it comes to bitching about how games are dumbed down and catering to the casuals yet here he is giving it a 9/10.

Well all that remains are good sales and OG DMC is pretty much dead.

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Chaos2Frozen We're Back Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Redgrave City Age: 35	8s and 9s aren't scores you would give for an average or 'not bad' games. __________________ Devil Trigger , Subhuman , Crimson Cloud , Mad Qualia Last edited by Chaos2Frozen; 2013-01-14 at 06:21.

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Chaos2Frozen We're Back Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Redgrave City Age: 35	With all the 9-ish scores it implies that DmC must have done something excellent that would overlook the minor flaws (Cause no game is perfect). So I'm not exactly sure what is it that they did great. __________________ Devil Trigger , Subhuman , Crimson Cloud , Mad Qualia

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Kyero Fox Tastes Cloudy Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Snake Way Age: 35	Told yall it wasn't going to be garbage. Rent worthy maybe to some. I honestly don't see anyone buying and keeping it tho. __________________

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kiak666 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Malaysia	Just watched the walkthrough videos (including all the boss battles): Spoiler for Thoughts On Final Boss: So Vergil's Devil Trigger in this game is based on DMC3's Doppelganger Style while Dante's is based on Quicksilver Style? And man, that boss fight was a far cry when compared to the one from DMC3.

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Vladrave The Dark Slayer Join Date: Aug 2012	It's a good game. It's not just up for DMC standards in terms of Advanced combat. Castlevania: Lords of Shadow is still way better in combat and that is also a reboot.

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Vladrave The Dark Slayer Join Date: Aug 2012	That is something that we need to find ourselves by playing the full game itself honestly.

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Vladrave The Dark Slayer Join Date: Aug 2012	DMC and DMC 3 are on the Outstanding part.

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Vladrave The Dark Slayer Join Date: Aug 2012	7 or 7.5 is honestly where "good" is supposed to be.

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Vladrave The Dark Slayer Join Date: Aug 2012	^This. The story might be more understandable but they keep saying that gameplay is "Evolved". Certainly not the case here for "Advanced combat" in my opinion so far. Hope it would prove me wrong though because DmC have much more freedom and accessibility in weapons than any Hack N' Slash/Action game.

2013-01-14, 09:26	Link #1120
defki Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008	What a joke Jim Sterling is. This man is among the loudes when it comes to bitching about how games are dumbed down and catering to the casuals yet here he is giving it a 9/10. Well all that remains are good sales and OG DMC is pretty much dead.