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Spoiler for untranslated parts, already mentioned elsewhere but there are some only following the translated parts:
Oh, and another random question... If William Massachusetts shot an apple off a child's head, would he then be William Tell? (O-ho-ho)
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2014-01-21, 19:11
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That's an interesting theory. (As in GM = Genius) But why would just simply telling them (The Knights Orders) that they were AI would send them to a coma?
Still I guess the moment of hesitation would have been enough, but an act of hostility would have snapped even a Lander back into "reality" and react into an attack. Though this whole debate on whether Elder Tales is a Virtual Game or alternate world just got even trickier if a Lander/Non-adventurer would even know what an AI means. Anyways this is a question for Mamare for the 3rd q and a
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2014-01-21, 22:00
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I have to defend Minori-chan a little bit
 1. Her 'Total Control' is only ~10 seconds. Which is 1-2 rounds tops to keep track of damage/MP 2. She did jack all but watch combat and for adds, makes #1 a huge amount easier 3. Apprentice sub-class, and Shiroe-sensei as master, could have larger impact than MMO rules 4. He did teach the twins for quite a while, and gave a journal of his tactics to Minori-chan 5. It's easy to look smart when surrounded by ditzes in Team Scrub For the love interest ... isn't he like 10yrs older? Might work for 30-40yo, but at that age .. not so much! |
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2014-01-22, 02:24
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I think you underestimate just how broken and program bug-like their powers are. Quote:
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personality software, 人格プログラム, is a fancy Japanese word for Artificial Intelligence, dude. Of course, let's not forget that Kanami denies this, tells Elias that he is a real person, and that breaks the curse.
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2014-01-22, 08:33
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2014-01-22, 10:10
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物語は、もう、おしまい……？
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What interests me is how the <Genius>s' words are all written in katakana. AFAIK, this is usually reserved for non-Japanese and non-human entities like robots and perhaps aliens as well.
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2014-01-23, 07:07
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2014-01-23, 12:26
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2014-01-23, 18:57
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Hmm, is this one of the fan works for Log Horizon that Mamare approved of? http://ncode.syosetu.com/n2271w/
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2014-01-24, 01:40
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In the world of log horizon, they don't have any computer. The only thing who can replace them are magic. You can try to create a spell to create an AI but it's more easy to use summoning. You take something who already exist, summon it and put it in puppet. You have something who are artificial because it's create from nothing and can be create with the log horizon technology. |
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2014-01-24, 02:02
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form vol6 part 4.
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I'm talking about literally what the <GENIUS> said, you know, the alien creatures aware of outside the limit of the game. I was clarifying what they actually SAID, and not stating my opinion on the subject. It has nothing to do with how it relates to in context of the setting of Log Horizon world, it was a purposely creepy characteristics of <Genius> to make them seem beyond 4th-wall awareness, much like the players themselves. Meaning, they are referring to OUR world semantics, and not bound to the awareness of within Theldesia. They said "software" As in, the actual English word. Written in Japanese. OK? Did I need to make that part clear? Actually I suspect you have a problem with the English part of the conversation to begin with, seeing how broken your post is... Quote:
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The thing is... because we don't know exactly what these <Genius> are, their POV may or may not be telling the truth, or their comprehension may or may not be beyond the knowledge scope players possess. Just as many players who were familiar with the game, and thus assumed the Landers are AI, these "program bug" like creatures may have come to the same conclusion. So they could be just as wrong, and their intent was clearly malice, I don't think we should take it at face value yet.
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2014-01-24, 06:53
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Hi there!
I'm still in Vol 6 & yet to get to 7 but I read an online summary of the crucial details (not concerned about spoilers) but there is something that puzzles me; who are the Novasphere Pioneers? Taking into account the Scientific meaning of Nova; cataclysmic nuclear explosion in a white dwarf - one could conclude that Novasphere means Energy Sphere or in simple terms Light Sphere. Last edited by Naole; 2014-01-24 at 07:09. |
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2014-01-24, 07:27
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What I want to know is how people of the land, ancients, or the knight of the divers order will understand the word "SOFTWARE" (and BTW it's not the word software who is use but program, 人格プログラム means program(プログラム) of personality(人格))? I know the world is post apocalyptic but the people are back in the medieval time (for the technology), I never read something about them using computer. How "人格プログラム" can stress the ancients enough to be kill, if they can't understand the meaning? That's why I said, the meaning is from the world of Log Horizon and not from our world. The only "technology" they have who can be compared to informatics is the magic. I will quote what you said: "personality software, 人格プログラム, is a fancy Japanese word for Artificial Intelligence, dude." You said it "ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE". What the meaning of ARTIFICIAL? Doesn't it means who is not natural? How can you create something like intelligence with the medieval technology? The answer is, it's not possible! But if you use magic you can summon something who can serve as intelligence. You just have to put it in a golem(as you don't like the word puppet), and you have something like a robot. I only want to say that "人格プログラム" never erase the possibility of a summoning in an other world. |
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It Noosphere not Novasphere. |
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2014-01-24, 08:05
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Noosphere not Novasphere
Are you saying that something got lost in the translation?
Because I rather like your Noosphere concept; it fits better! On the other hand a virtual reality simulation can be considered to be a Hard Light Construct; thus a Light Sphere. Is it possible that all the Translators and wiki's got it wrong? Ockham's Razor? Last edited by Naole; 2014-01-24 at 08:19. Reason: additional idea |
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It's very clear you still don't understand what was being discussed. I agree with you, but like I said, I was NOT expressing my opinion on the matter I PERSONALLY agree that they are not programs. But I am NOT a frickin' <GENIUS>, a fictional antagonist in a bloody novel. I was telling you what the <GENIUS> said, not the veracity of their claims. Christ, it's not that hard. Again, I was clarifying what they said. I was not speaking AS one of them. I was translating. You're arguing a fictional argument that doesn't even exist! A personality program (or software) is a common word used to mean artificial, computerized, personality. An AI. IN JAPANESE FICTION. I am a bloody Japanese native, I'm perfectly familiar with the word FFS. As for why the Ancients understood it, who knows, but the <GENIUS> used it as a mind-spell, it's possible even a foreign word is understood simply by nature of the curse. But that's actually irrelevant. What's important is that <GENIUS> are monsters self-aware of the "game", and have knowledge of it, just like the players. That's why they know what a "software" is. That's the WHOLE POINT of their characteristics. But I repeat again, I'm explaining what the correct translation of what they said. I'M NOT A BLOODY TENTACLE MONSTER. Unfortunately I only got one penis.  You know what this reminds me? This reminds me when I translated what a stereotyped representation of animal replacement for each country was in Cat Shit One, and some moron who doesn't understand English assumed I was making the stereotype. And neg-repped me for TRANSLATING. It is infuriatingly annoying. Quote:
It was always Noosphere, no translation involved. Becuase it's written IN ENGLISH to begin with. 
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