Shakugan no Shana II - Episode 15 Discussion / Poll
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I watched the RAW because i felt like it. I understood a little, but I'm going to rewatch it when it's fansubbed in a couple of days. I liked this episode, and I can't wait to see what happens next. (I'm blatantly trying to be vague so I don't give away any spoilers)
I'll rate it for real when I understand what they're saying, lol. XD
... It hasn't even aired yet. And it won't for another 8 hours or so.
I don't even care if this post and yours get deleted, you're posting blatantly false information.
The truth about Konoe Fumina is out, though I'll spoiler tag this just to be safe.
Spoiler for Konoe:
As some of you may have guessed already, Konoe is a sleeper clone of Hecate, one of her functions is to secretly collect memories from Yuji so that they don't get lost again.
Her other major function is to stop Pheles from extracting the Reiji Maigo and Margery from extracting Silver from Yuji.
Once her mission is complete, she merges back with the real Hecate, who has been praying in Seireiden all along.
There seems to be an armour that resembles that of Silver's in Seireiden, wonder what that's all about.
I never knew Hecate can hold out her own against Shana, shooting her own fireball to counter Shana's. Though it's all anime-original, not complaining about the battle itself.
Hecate retreats after stuffing Silver back inside Yuji, Johann then temporarily takes control of Yuji's body (leading to more confusion for the viewer) so that he could convey something very important to Pheles.
(Man, Pheles is so cute when she's fawning over Johann. )
Anyway, Pheles decides to leave Yuji alone after hearing what Johann had to say, but won't reveal what it was. Before leaving, she leaves a cross-shaped Hougu for Yoshida.
With Konoe out of the way, maybe the story can get back on the novel side of things.
Part 1 is out in nico and... it is a blast, a blast I tell you
Spoiler for ep 15 1/2:
- The episode starts when it left off last episode. A silver armor hand coming out of Yuuji and piercing through Pheles. Despite this Pheles still tries to approach Yuuji and take Johan out, however Wilhelmina restrains her and forces her to land
- Meanwhile, Margery starts a restriction spell that seems designed to restrain the arm and forcefully taking him out. This time around she is much more calm and composed, and she's trying to take out silver without harming Yuuji. She tells Shana to cooperate.
- Meanwhile we see shots of the people on the festival, and of Tanaka freaking out while watching an immobilized Ogata in front of him. We also see Konoe freely walking around with his butler and approaching the place of the battle
-Meanwhile at the Balle Masque HQ... Dantalion and the gargoyle we saw back at ep 3 observe a reaction in an armor body that they have inside of a tube. They wonder if Pheles have something to do with this, and worry about the consequences. Meanwhile The Arbiter of inverse reasoning and The ultimate throne approach the scene and comment on how there is no mistake about it, it seems to be awakening, which Hecate confirms.
- Back at the battle scene we see Konoe finally reaching the rooftop. It seems that her hand chain is a seal linked to a chain that the arbiter of reverse reasoning herself had. After the seal brokjes on the two of them, we see them ascending and interfering with Margery's spell. Konoe takes out a scepter, breaks through the spell and it would seem like she is stuffing back the silver into Yuuji, all the while a surprise attack from the skies (consisting on a bunch of falling cubes ) force Margery and Shana to temporary step back, being unable to help Yuuji. The first part ends with Hecate entering the scene and standing in front of Konoe.
whhops, Kinny beat me to it. Aw well
edit2: not to mention that he already saw part 2. /me points a gun at Kinny. Spit out your secret
just to explain a few things
1.hecate=king of guze ( so very powerful)
2.falling cubes = magnesia (fecor's spell)
3.this fight is not anime original(a lot of details was changed though)
4.silver is not physically in yuji (still in bal masque), the hand was "warped" though boukun I (or II?) in the reiji maigo
just in case you don't know, fecor is that strange looking guy flying around
This episode is a lot more to my taste! This episode for sure went to Yuji and Shana for their moment. Good from beginning to end.....best episode by far. But Yuji is super annoying now, went from somewhat strong resolve person (his resolve was still growing) to completely useless and screaming and crying before anything happens. Preview for the next episode seems like it's going to go back to the boring phase....
Looks like Pheles is starting to feel sorry for Yoshida.
And Johan comepletely kicks ass, super powerful, he couldn't even be touched. Pheles is super powerful too but completely emotionally unstable.
overall very satisfactory on this episode. follow the original story, although it seems too hurry. nice fighting, enough description in the story (and i think the rest mystery will be explain in next episode). drawing style is above average, generally good use of special visual effect and BGM.
the 'use' of konoe san was one of my big concern because i really don't want JC make a character just for MOE and viewer's service but no relation on the main story. in this episode, the 'twins' hecate and konoe san is interesting try, hecate try to collect memories from konoe san is some how related to S1 and i guess it may be a hint of the later story, may be an original ending of S2 just like S1 (especially the original novel has a long way to go before its end) .
battel sence is not so smooth but really appreciate on magnesia and aster (star). very exciting, and it shows hecate and fecor is not that common guys. a clap to the strom of pheles and johan too.
one of a reason i love this pieces is character's love and emotional description. in this episode, a good kiss of pheles and johan, and the description on shana, wilhelmina, kazumi and tanaka is just enough for explaining their action, although it can be better.
pheles that meet johan and shana with tears are stunning. also for yuri's wilhelmina ;p
DAMN IT im usually patient and wait for subs but not this one im watching the RAW i dont care if my japanese is about as good as a pile of dung. Kinny thanks for the break down and congrats on being the first.
If Johann had made a complete comeback/takeover , what would Shana have done ?
When she flew to find Yuuji I almost had the impression that she was going to attack Johann to get back Yuuji .
Other than that i am a bit disappointed that He hasn't come out yet , I mean we are passed half of the series , when does He plan on coming out ?
If Johann had made a complete comeback/takeover , what would Shana have done ?
When she flew to find Yuuji I almost had the impression that she was going to attack Johann to get back Yuuji .
Other than that i am a bit disappointed that He hasn't come out yet , I mean we are passed half of the series , when does He plan on coming out ?
UwaaaaahhhH!!!! *sob* Fumina's gone now!! Uwahh!! What a cruel and unbeneficial trade for me!
Fumina-shows all kinds of expressions; wears different clothes
Hecate-always "-_-" and only has that mage outfit
The butler's gone too! He never made many appearances, but still...!
*sob*
Putting my feelings for them aside for a moment:
Wow, that was a massacre. Just that unlike the school, we don't get to see any dying.
Hecate and Fecor prove to be really strong, with Hecate's beams (she has to say "Astel yo" everytime...) and Fecor's magnesia (or is it magnesium?). In the end, Fumina and Jiiya were just "Itsuwari no Utsuwa" (Vessel of Falsehood)... Fecor himself looks wimpy despite his strength.
I was also really startled to see Johann popping up. But he soon disappeared by giving himself to Pheles.
Looks like Silver's body is with Bel Peol while it can materialize out of Yuuji, causing the body to disappear at where it comes out (arm pops out of Yuuji, arm from body disappears). But Hecate used her staff to seal it up.
-Seems like Tanaka has been traumatized by that incident...
-Seems like Kazumi feels even more distant from Yuuji
Preview: "Undelivered Feelings" (tsuki can mean to follow, but perhaps undelivered is a good way to translate it... "Feelings that won't follow", "Feelings that are not given"... Hmm...); Festival ends, Kazumi's feelings; everyone forgets about Fumika...
...
I won't forget!! Uwahhh! *sob*
Rating=10 (awesome episode) - 3 (Fumina)=7
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Is it me or has Shana been so nerfed that she now only acts as a meat shield? She couldn't even land a hit on anything at all but those stupid cubes (and she got owned by them! ).
I just knew that the imposter hecate is actually the real hecate, parts of her still count So she was too lazy to create her own memories so she had her clone do it for her
The winged dude is haxx...now if only he looked the part of being GAR. Did they even fix the crushed buildings at the end using yuji or did they just leave it be -__-
I am actually quite glad to see margery keeping under control even after silver san shows up. So close yet so far *shakes angry fist at hecate*
Johan sacrifices himself and pheles is still in denial. I duno where to pity or empthasise with her.
Action was top notch, but if only the good guys didn't get embarrassed so much >_<
Is it me or has Shana been so nerfed that she now only acts as a meat shield? She couldn't even land a hit on anything at all but those stupid cubes (and she got owned by them! ).
I just knew that the imposter hecate is actually the real hecate, parts of her still count So she was too lazy to create her own memories so she had her clone do it for her
The winged dude is haxx...now if only he looked the part of being GAR. Did they even fix the crushed buildings at the end using yuji or did they just leave it be -__-
I am actually quite glad to see margery keeping under control even after silver san shows up. So close yet so far *shakes angry fist at hecate*
Johan sacrifices himself and pheles is still in denial. I duno where to pity or empthasise with her.
Action was top notch, but if only the good guys didn't get embarrassed so much >_<
fecor's magnesia (falling cubes) is considered to be the strongest defense spell, and himself is a guze no ou. so naturally he is extremely strong , but he looks and acts a bit wimpy.
hecate's staff = Trigon
just to explain a few things
1.hecate=king of guze ( so very powerful)
2.falling cubes = magnesia (fecor's spell)
3.this fight is not anime original(a lot of details was changed though)
4.silver is not physically in yuji (still in bal masque), the hand was "warped" though boukun I (or II?) in the reiji maigo
just in case you don't know, fecor is that strange looking guy flying around
So Silver was in Bal Masque all along. But how does that explain Konoe's purpose of preventing extraction of Silver from within Yuuji then, if I'm not mistaken?
Awesome episode overall but Pheles is gone now.
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