2008-06-13, 15:48 | Link #981 | |
STARVING ARTIST
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I think Blizzer had this definition in mind:
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2008-06-13, 16:54 | Link #982 | |
Nemo Me Impune Lacessit
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Yes, I thought it was clear I was dicussing the mocking of others particularly the virtuous.
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As for the character of Dr. House, yes he is cynical but from the little episodes I've seen even though he is cynical on the outside he does have some sincerity and empathy for others underneath. ...although he is only a character in a drama, if a doctor in real life said some of the things House says and behaves as House does he wouldn't be practicing medicine and would probably be a public outcast because of it. The reason why House is so entertaining is because most of the time he gets away with it.
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2008-06-13, 18:28 | Link #983 | |
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I just see it as a way of thinking outside the box. It's no coincidence that cynic people also tend to be quite intelligent. By the way, and just to clear this up: Being cynical does not equal to being pessimist, though there are some degrees of correlation.
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2008-06-13, 18:37 | Link #984 |
Nemo Me Impune Lacessit
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You can't see what's wrong with sneering and antogonising someone?
I'm skeptical about people's true intentions, but it doesn't mean I put people down for doing it. Cynicism isn't equal to being a pessimist, it's due to a twisted perception of things.
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2008-06-13, 18:51 | Link #985 | ||
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2008-06-13, 22:48 | Link #986 | |
is this so?
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Instead I dug out the hidden meaning on what Jesus said. “If you do not change your hearts and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 18:3)." My interpretation: If people don't follow Jesus as obediently as a child, then the kingdom of heaven won't open for them.
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2008-06-13, 23:16 | Link #987 |
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I can certainly see a problem with referring to Wikipedia over Merriam-Webster for the meaning of a word O.o
but whatever -- Thomas Jefferson and his buddies put together a system of government that was based on cynicism: "Trust but verify". Three arms of government, each of whom has the mandate to keep the others in check.
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2008-06-14, 00:16 | Link #988 | |
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2008-06-14, 01:43 | Link #989 | |
I disagree with you all.
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2008-06-14, 02:03 | Link #990 | |
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2008-06-14, 17:15 | Link #991 | |
is this so?
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Of course a Catholic would interpret it as something that would promote Jesus as a good man (i.e To enter the kingdom of heaven, you must have a pure heart like a child.). Each to his own.
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2008-06-14, 20:03 | Link #993 | |
Love Yourself
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Something with more freedom of interpretation would be some unexplainable event (say, rocks falling from the sky). Thiests would likely interpret it as an act of God, and you'd be able to interpret it as something that science just can't explain. That's something where you can interpret. A person's words and their intended meaning don't have quite as much freedom of interpretation.
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2008-06-15, 02:12 | Link #994 | |
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Anyhow, I've always been skeptical of anything regarding Jesus. While I do believe he existed as a person, and that he of course had a very significant impact on the world around him, there are just so many things regarding him that are either taken out of context, seem to be fabricated, or seem to be misunderstood about him. What many people should realize is that Jesus did not actually create Christianity, but it was his followers that did. They supposedly were "ordered" by him after his resurrection to spread his teachings, but what about those teachings were exactly his? If I remember correctly, one of his big teachings was to love and respect thy fellow man. When most people cannot even get this simple concept right, it just doesn't do too good for the religion in my opinion. This reminds me of a certain part of the book Slaughterhouse-Five. This was the part where Kurt Vonnegut was commenting about the story of the crucification of Christ and how it actually incites people to kill others rather than keeping them from killing others. His reasoning was that in the story it only taught that you shouldn't kill people with connections. He thought that if Christ was actually just a bum that no one cared about and if God then came and punished everyone after killing him that it would get the message through correctly that you should never kill anyone connections or not. Hmm, sorry Ledgem it seems my post lost relevancy to what you were saying half way through there and I'm just babbling here .
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2008-06-15, 02:29 | Link #995 |
Love Yourself
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I don't have any disagreements with what you've said, but even so I take issue with the idea that such a statement meant that people should just be good followers and be naive. It just seems so obvious as to what the statement was intended to mean. This isn't to say that it couldn't have a double meaning, but double meanings for such statements are usually reserved for stories and such where we're looking for clues and clever tricks with words.
I somehow can't imagine that Jesus or Jesus' followers created that saying and then chuckled to themelves at how clever they were, for the phrase would fool the majority of the world but their evil plot would be known to a slight few who would likely be powerless to stop it. That's the stuff of fictional stories, it doesn't seem very realistic. What would be realistic would be to accuse the people who wrote such things as using very flowery language and imagery in an effort to persuade people to fall into line. That's a fair accusation and I don't believe that anyone can fully disprove it.
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2008-06-16, 05:17 | Link #998 |
is this so?
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If I explain why my point of view is atheistic, it will be flamebait to catholics and a mod would probably delete my post.
Anyway, I have no intention of debating for a long time (or to make enemies) with the religious people on AS, so I'm stopping here.
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2008-06-16, 08:48 | Link #999 |
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I think Jesus had plenty of good things to say. However I think that the bible is inherently flawed, particularly the old testament, who's depiction of god is quite at odds with the new testaments depiction, they're almost different beings. I also think that much of Jesus's message ended up getting subverted over the years. It still makes little sense to me that most christians I know don't do any of the stuff (like forgiving others) that jesus said.
That said I've never been to church or anything, I'm an atheist with Buddhist leanings. I think one bad thing in christianity is that praises "weakness"(in personality). For instance, I don't see how meekness is a desirable character trait, surely courage is important. Surely charity isn't deserved if the person receiving it hasn't tried to elevate themselves from their state, and only beg, not even trying to work. |
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