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Tyabann · 2012-11-08, 17:27

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Originally Posted by CrazyPerson

But now it turns out Ajimu didn't lie, Fukurou outright says that it was really Medaka that killed him (through love and zeal).

Still not certain how this is supposed to work.

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Originally Posted by CrazyPerson

On another note, Fukurou has a habit of dying and resurrecting? Either he's just using the words flippantly or I'm betting Nisio's going to elaborate on "life" and "death" stuff later as a theme.

That was probably the first style he developed.

FRS · 2012-11-08, 17:31

One things that i found quite amusing is the body language of Fukurou, some of his stance are also used by Medeka, i wonder if that was intentional to show their relationship.

zeando · 2012-11-08, 17:56

page 8 and 10 look almost the same, they only have minor changes in the first 3 panels

Spoiler for page8:

Spoiler for page10:

fukurou's style must be lazy edit xD

CrazyPerson · 2012-11-08, 20:10

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Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Still not certain how this is supposed to work.

It's only supposed to work in the twisted mind of Nisio; or we wait until exposition time for the explanation.

Hell, I don't think we got an explanation of why when Kumagawa died back in his arc, he sees Ajimu and then automatically respawns within a week. He knew he'd respawn, but there's no explanation for why 1 week and not immediately like in the snake pit.

Wolfenstein · 2012-11-08, 20:40

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Originally Posted by orangejuicetang

Also, interesting thing said by Shirunai there. "What the hell is wrong with my life, everything that's happening seems to be slowly turning me into a minus"

Yeah, noticed it too.

Pretty interesting, eh? She's becoming much like Naze, I would guess. What's most interesting, is that she said "everything". I guess, being Medaka's double, it was obvious she would incorporate the traits of a Minus, yet it seems that she held on to some aspects of her double persona? Certainly explains why she threw water on Joutou's face and stuff.

shmaster · 2012-11-09, 03:28

It felt like being a minus is her default personality.
Her concern on whether is she still maintaining a laugh on her face is only a concern to those who truly shares Kumagawa's philosophy.

Sol Falling · 2012-11-09, 05:35

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Originally Posted by zeando

page 8 and 10 look almost the same, they only have minor changes in the first 3 panels

Spoiler for page8:

Spoiler for page10:

fukurou's style must be lazy edit xD

That's a pretty amazing find, lol. I'm pretty certain that it's just blatantly unabashed laziness but it's pretty funny nonetheless.

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Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Still not certain how this is supposed to work.

It makes direct sense if you make some inferences based on what was said in the chapter.

Fukurou gave up on Hato due to being unable to keep up with her work ethic -> he cross-bred Medaka from Hato and Kajiki as a replacement.

Medaka's work ethic + love for others was even more extreme that Hato's -> Fukurou gave up on keeping up with Medaka as well.

Fukurou was pretending to be Medaka's "ideal man" (i.e. someone who could keep up with her ideals) in order to appeal romantically to her. On top of that he'd already won the Jet Black Wedding Feast. So in order to get out of it all when he decided that getting to marry Medaka wasn't worth all the effort, he staged his own death. Pretty straightforward.

KLGChaos · 2012-11-09, 05:57

So, picked this back up again after a few month hiatus (I go in shifts with manga). Just finished the whole Jet Black Wedding arc and about half of the current arc (up until the demon-looking guy appeared).

The Wedding arc wasn't too bad. I liked seeing a more human Medaka. However, all the word play grew a bit tedious after awhile. I know it's Nishio's bread and butter, but for foreign readers, it's a bit of a nightmare. Kudos to the scanlation group for actually making it somewhat understandable for us gaijin.

Excited to see a Shiranui-based arc finally. I haven't fully caught up yet, but if Hansode was Medaka's "double" and the Shiranui family supports the Kurokami family, does that mean that Hanten is someone's double as well?

RedKey · 2012-11-09, 06:45

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Originally Posted by KLGChaos

Excited to see a Shiranui-based arc finally. I haven't fully caught up yet, but if Hansode was Medaka's "double" and the Shiranui family supports the Kurokami family, does that mean that Hanten is someone's double as well?

You'll see soon enough. Also, beware of websites like mangareader or mangahere, they still haven't updated ch 166 with the amended version. Not that I think they'll ever will.

KLGChaos · 2012-11-09, 10:18

Finally caught up... This manga gets weirder and weirder. I'm glad Zenkichi woke up. It would have felt strange to have a Shiranui-based arc with him spending the whole thing unconscious. Their friendship was a huge deal earlier on and it wouldn't have been the same without him there.

Wolfenstein · 2012-11-09, 11:09

I hope that the fact that Doctor Tsurubami's character is a sort of reflection of Zenkichi's character if he gave-up on always catching-up to Medaka isn't just a wacky coincidence. Much like Mister Noobita, I hope that he learns something from this whole ordeal. Grows in character. Since in that aspect, it's true - Tsurubami is much more human than him.

And, in the end, would probably become much happier. A life-time of catching-up coupled with mistreatment sounds infernal to a normal guy, to be honest.

Even if you have been doing it for several years now.

Randrak42 · 2012-11-09, 11:15

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Originally Posted by Wolfenstein

I hope that the fact that Doctor Tsurubami's character is a sort of reflection of Zenkichi's character if he gave-up on always catching-up to Medaka isn't just a wacky coincidence. Much like Mister Noobita, I hope that he learns something from this whole ordeal. Grows in character. Since in that aspect, it's true - Tsurubami is much more human than him.

And, in the end, would probably become much happier. A life-time of catching-up coupled with mistreatment sounds infernal to a normal guy, to be honest.

Even if you have been doing it for several years now.

Nah...Noobita just has irrational hatred for Zen...he rather have him dead than learning a lesson.

kenjtr · 2012-11-09, 11:23

I wonder if medaka is the one trying to catch up to zenkichi since before the election medaka was trying to keep up with zenkichis standarts but then zenkichi noticed he doesnt like the way medaka does things he just endure it because of love and cut off medaka . The medaka zenkichi liked was the one who lived with zenkichis ideals but what if medaka decides that she doesnt care much about humanity and she will just lead kurokami group and leave a peaceful life ? I think zenkichi is like kurokamis mother , yes medaka looked like her in the past but that was all because of zenkichi and he is the workolic one who sweats 6 liters a day . Zenkichi could have go with a normal medaka after the election but her choose this one , i think its medaka who is trying to cope up with zenkichis standards but since she is an abnormal she looks more extreme then zenkichi . Maybe medaka will be future Dr. tsurubai not zenkichi .

17Sevens · 2012-11-09, 11:44

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Originally Posted by RedKey

YoAlso, beware of websites like mangareader or mangahere, they still haven't updated ch 166 with the amended version.

Does Batoto have the amended version? That's the site I mostly use.

DawnEmperor · 2012-11-09, 12:16

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Originally Posted by KLGChaos

So, picked this back up again after a few month hiatus (I go in shifts with manga). Just finished the whole Jet Black Wedding arc and about half of the current arc (up until the demon-looking guy appeared).

The Wedding arc wasn't too bad. I liked seeing a more human Medaka. However, all the word play grew a bit tedious after awhile. I know it's Nishio's bread and butter, but for foreign readers, it's a bit of a nightmare. Kudos to the scanlation group for actually making it somewhat understandable for us gaijin.

Excited to see a Shiranui-based arc finally. I haven't fully caught up yet, but if Hansode was Medaka's "double" and the Shiranui family supports the Kurokami family, does that mean that Hanten is someone's double as well?

Kinda feel similarly about the wordplay. Not enough to make me drop the manga, but it is something which takes time to penetrate the language barrier. So thanks Redkey and Kurosu.

I know he had an arc focusing on why he follows Medaka, but I still feel they haven't analyzed Zenkichi's character enough.

DmonHiro · 2012-11-09, 13:23

I just read 170: SON OF A BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!! Man, I want to smack him!

Xellos-_^ · 2012-11-09, 13:35

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Originally Posted by DmonHiro

I just read 170: SON OF A BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!! Man, I want to smack him!

funny, i want to shake his hand

Guernsey · 2012-11-09, 13:59

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Originally Posted by DawnEmperor

I know he had an arc focusing on why he follows Medaka, but I still feel they haven't analyzed Zenkichi's character enough.

Well, I guess if Medaka is an exaggeration of the main character then Zenikichi is the exaggeration of the love interest and lancer. Why does Zenikichi want to be with Medaka? Because she is the main character and that is the explanation we are given for their relationship. Any sane person would realize that their relationship would never workout or makes any sort of sense although love isn't something that makes sense, Zenikichi still follows Medaka around like a dog and Medaka doesn't seem to notice that Zenikichi loves him in a romantic manner.

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Originally Posted by Wolfenstein

I hope that the fact that Doctor Tsurubami's character is a sort of reflection of Zenkichi's character if he gave-up on always catching-up to Medaka isn't just a wacky coincidence. Much like Mister Noobita, I hope that he learns something from this whole ordeal. Grows in character. Since in that aspect, it's true - Tsurubami is much more human than him.

And, in the end, would probably become much happier. A life-time of catching-up coupled with mistreatment sounds infernal to a normal guy, to be honest.

Even if you have been doing it for several years now.

Tsurubami and Zenikichi have this in common, they are more like minions to their respective women and their women seem to behave like overlords. It also highlights somehting seriously wrong with Zenikichi, there is no way for anyone to catch up to Medaka. Medaka is in a league of her own and she is well on her way to becoming a god or something close to it. Zenikichi and Medaka was never really a relationship of trust or mutual respect, it seemed to me more like a master/servant relationship but I hope Zenikichi learns somethng from it and realize that he needs to repsect himself and not to take that abuse from Medaka.

RedKey · 2012-11-11, 05:50

I decided on a whim to try and translate the brief opening Anshin'in-san speech in Good Loser Kumagawa for those who are interested. Please, don't take this as a sign I'll be translating the entire novel - I haven't got enough time because of college/real life stuff, translating weekly chapters is hard enough for me at the moment, and it's Nisio writing, so i'm not even sure I wouldn't give up halfway

Spoiler for Good Loser Kumagawa:

Meltyred · 2012-11-11, 06:20

Wow....
I can't tell if she likes him, or is teasing him, or is just trying to be tsun.
But then knowing her character, probably trolling.
Seems like a good read.

2012-11-09, 05:57	Link #11068
KLGChaos The Shermain Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: NY Age: 44	So, picked this back up again after a few month hiatus (I go in shifts with manga). Just finished the whole Jet Black Wedding arc and about half of the current arc (up until the demon-looking guy appeared). The Wedding arc wasn't too bad. I liked seeing a more human Medaka. However, all the word play grew a bit tedious after awhile. I know it's Nishio's bread and butter, but for foreign readers, it's a bit of a nightmare. Kudos to the scanlation group for actually making it somewhat understandable for us gaijin. Excited to see a Shiranui-based arc finally. I haven't fully caught up yet, but if Hansode was Medaka's "double" and the Shiranui family supports the Kurokami family, does that mean that Hanten is someone's double as well? __________________

2012-11-09, 10:18	Link #11070
KLGChaos The Shermain Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: NY Age: 44	Finally caught up... This manga gets weirder and weirder. I'm glad Zenkichi woke up. It would have felt strange to have a Shiranui-based arc with him spending the whole thing unconscious. Their friendship was a huge deal earlier on and it wouldn't have been the same without him there. __________________

2012-11-09, 11:09	Link #11071
Wolfenstein Senior Member Join Date: May 2012	I hope that the fact that Doctor Tsurubami's character is a sort of reflection of Zenkichi's character if he gave-up on always catching-up to Medaka isn't just a wacky coincidence. Much like Mister Noobita, I hope that he learns something from this whole ordeal. Grows in character. Since in that aspect, it's true - Tsurubami is much more human than him. And, in the end, would probably become much happier. A life-time of catching-up coupled with mistreatment sounds infernal to a normal guy, to be honest. Even if you have been doing it for several years now. __________________

2012-11-11, 05:50	Link #11079
RedKey 天界の異端審問官 Join Date: Apr 2011	I decided on a whim to try and translate the brief opening Anshin'in-san speech in Good Loser Kumagawa for those who are interested. Please, don't take this as a sign I'll be translating the entire novel - I haven't got enough time because of college/real life stuff, translating weekly chapters is hard enough for me at the moment, and it's Nisio writing, so i'm not even sure I wouldn't give up halfway Spoiler for Good Loser Kumagawa: Chapter 1 — The Loaded Bullet Present of Kumagawa Misogi Hey ya Kumagawa-kun, long time no see. We haven't met eachother in a long time, you know? Why won't you ever die? I can't even do anything about wanting to see you again. After all, I'm the one who hopes for your death the most. Well, no matter if you want or don't want to die, I still have the complete freedom of visiting you in your dreams like this, but seeing that you avoid me so glaringly hurts me. You shouldn't hurt girls, Kumagawa-kun. You should learn to be a little gentler. I'm joking, I don't know anyone gentler than you in this world. That was obviously another joke Are you feeling well? By the way Kumagawa-kun, you've become the student council President of Suisou Academy, right? I see you're fated to have connections with this organization called Student Council too. It unexpectedly suits you, wouldn't you say? If you're wondering what am I talking about, I think it's standing above other people. No, no, I'm not joking now, it's a pretty serious thought. You may deny this, but I actually think that the ones that should be on the top of the hill are Minuses like you. If you ask me, those who stand above others and those who support others from below are equally the same thing. Maybe, or should I say from the beginning, seeing that you didn't refuse that seat, and that you haven't left Suisou Academy yet, Kumagawa-kun, could it be that you noticed that too? Nah, I'm kidding. Well, it doesn't matter wether you're cut for working in the student council or not, or that you're cut for being its President or not. It's just that I'm worried about you. Will you ultimately remain in that school? Will you be at ease, there? Taking Suisou into account, I don't know how many schools and legal procedures you passed through, in your journey searching for a skill and its skill holder that would be able to defeat me. Maybe it's an endless number, but still, Kumagawa-kun, isn't this your first time remaining in a place for so long? So? So? Did you finally give up? Or could it be that... you finally, finally found it? A skill holder able to defeat me. If so, I want you to come here to settle the matter once and for all. I don't know how much longer I'll remain half-sealed like this, you know? The double seal from All Fiction and Bookmaker is fairly amusing and surely effective, but a short time from now many things will begin to move in what may possibly be called my headquarters, Hakoniwa Academy. Therefore, Kumagawa-kun. I don't know how you plan to act as the new Suisou Academy Student Council President, but I decided to go and stir thing up in that school. And I'll be meddling in your life. I bet you're happy, right? You already know about my terminals dotted all around the world, right? My seven hundred million terminals. It goes without saying, but many of them are mingled between the students of that Suisou Academy. Of the 561 students commuting there, exactly 80 of them are my terminals. Oh, those 80 obviously won't do something as rude as attacking you at the same time. If they did that, they'd just be doing what you want them to do. Anyway, Kumagawa-kun. Student Council President Kumagawa. I'd like you to first pay a visit to a girl in class 2-3, seat number 18: I've entrusted her with a message for you. She's a feeble girl that hasn't got any real power, but I thought that it would suit you better like this, and I obviously believe that having lent her one of my skills she'll be able to somewhat put up a defense by herself, so be kind to her. This time, the final goal of my challenge, Kumagawa-kun, is to pressure you to leave Suisou Academy as soon as possible - taking the Student Council President title and your place in the school register of that school that I don't know very well and that for some reason you decided to cast anchor into away from you. That is my goal. Therefore, let me do my best to make your life hard. I've got high expectations for you, Kumagawa-kun. I've never met anyone like you in my long life, so I'd like you not to betray those expectations of mine... or I'd wish to say that, but I know you would blatantly ignore it, so I'll just keep that to myself.  “Please don't betray me”, as if. If you didn't live up to the expectations of people since you were born, you'd never have been able to betray them right after.

2012-11-08, 17:31	Link #11062
FRS Lurker on the threshold Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: France Age: 46	One things that i found quite amusing is the body language of Fukurou, some of his stance are also used by Medeka, i wonder if that was intentional to show their relationship.

2012-11-08, 17:56	Link #11063
zeando maybenotimome Join Date: Feb 2011	page 8 and 10 look almost the same, they only have minor changes in the first 3 panels Spoiler for page8: Spoiler for page10: fukurou's style must be lazy edit xD

2012-11-09, 03:28	Link #11066
shmaster オンドリャァァァ!!! Join Date: May 2009	It felt like being a minus is her default personality. Her concern on whether is she still maintaining a laugh on her face is only a concern to those who truly shares Kumagawa's philosophy.

2012-11-09, 11:23	Link #11073
kenjtr Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011	I wonder if medaka is the one trying to catch up to zenkichi since before the election medaka was trying to keep up with zenkichis standarts but then zenkichi noticed he doesnt like the way medaka does things he just endure it because of love and cut off medaka . The medaka zenkichi liked was the one who lived with zenkichis ideals but what if medaka decides that she doesnt care much about humanity and she will just lead kurokami group and leave a peaceful life ? I think zenkichi is like kurokamis mother , yes medaka looked like her in the past but that was all because of zenkichi and he is the workolic one who sweats 6 liters a day . Zenkichi could have go with a normal medaka after the election but her choose this one , i think its medaka who is trying to cope up with zenkichis standards but since she is an abnormal she looks more extreme then zenkichi . Maybe medaka will be future Dr. tsurubai not zenkichi .

2012-11-09, 13:23	Link #11076
DmonHiro Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Romania Age: 37	I just read 170: SON OF A BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!! Man, I want to smack him!

2012-11-11, 06:20	Link #11080
Meltyred Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011	Wow.... I can't tell if she likes him, or is teasing him, or is just trying to be tsun. But then knowing her character, probably trolling. Seems like a good read.