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2008-08-09, 23:59 | Link #43 |
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Georgians seem to holding on... at least on the ground.
So far Russians only dominate the Georgian airspace. President: Georgia defeats Abkhazia's attacks on Kodori gorge www.chinaview.cn 2008-08-09 23:31:28 Print MOSCOW, Aug. 9 (Xinhua) -- Georgia has defeated all attacks on the upper part of the Kodori gorge, the Itar-Tass news agency quoted Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili as saying Saturday. "I maintain contacts in the gorge with those who ensure security of the gorge. Today they've defeated all attacks on the gorge," the president said when he met with parliament speaker David Bakradze and opposition leaders. The president believed Georgia is capable of repelling any attacks on the upper part of the Kodori gorge. Abkhaz leader Sergei Bagapsh confirmed earlier that its "aviation is currently conducting an operation in the upper part of the Kodori gorge of Abkhazia controlled by Georgia." He said the operation will continue. http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20...nt_9109812.htm |
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Incidentally, as short as it was, if the casualties of 1000-2000 deaths is correct, this would be the bloodiest high-intensity war in quite a long time.
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2008-08-10, 00:35 | Link #47 | |
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From what I know (from people over there), Georgia is withdraw due to the Russians bombing Georgia proper. Once that part is over, I expect the conflict to go into South Ossetia again. |
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2008-08-10, 01:48 | Link #49 |
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Let's not get too feisty, even if what the man says here is wrong.
Im an American, I lament the carnage but I really dont care. It happens everywhere, our country built its expansion on it (somewhat). Plus I really don't trust the Kremlin, but YEA WE NEED EM FOR NORTH KOREA AND IRAN. |
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Well, I don't have that mindset...but then again, I fear that I might be considered strange by many "normal" Americans.... I don't believe that Americans, in general, seek war, or constatly think about the world as if all other nations are against the United States. But, then again, it always seems that many people in power preffer to see the entire world as a potential enemy, rather than looking for allies, etc. So, if nothing else, attitudes, such as Zoned87's, can be easily cultivated.
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2008-08-10, 02:16 | Link #52 | |
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Unfortunately, it doesn't look like that's going to happen.
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2008-08-10, 02:46 | Link #53 |
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Actually Germany would have lost the war in Europe anyway, even without US. Most of its manpower and resources were consumed by the Eastern front. The Allies only had to fight mostly second rate soldiers because the best troops were sent to the Eastern front to hold back the Soviet advance.
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2008-08-10, 03:27 | Link #54 |
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I heard about this and found it funny that Bush was talking to Putin the other day in the Olympic's opening ceremony (I wanted to hear that conversation!).
I knew the Soviet Union never collapsed (And this may not actually turn out to be a joke the way politics have been shaping up in Russia lately)! ...On a side note. I'm all for countries coming in and fighting for justice when it is something deserved. However, a war like this is Russia's and Georgia's problem. Not the U.S. and not even most of Europe. This is not a war of justice, because as people have said it is not a black and white war. No, definitely not. The end.
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2008-08-10, 03:39 | Link #55 |
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Please don't speak for us, your fellow US citizens. I personally don't agree with what you said about Russia, and obviously neither does several other US citizens who have have posted in this thread. (Or even those who don't.)
In fact, I think both Georgia and Russia are at fault. Georgia being the one that started this mess and Russia simply provoking the situation further with a show of over-muscle. What's happening between these countries is a typical example of how a situation can be blown out of proportion, thus making things worse and harder to solve. If anything, I'd like my government to try and mediate the situation without taking sides. Something that probably won't happen, but I can petition, can't I? |
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And we shall quietly ignore the fact that people are once again dying for their masters' visions and ambitions. This conflict looks like the kind of high-intensity war that can cause a lot of deaths, especially if the Georgians chose a mountain guerrilla campaign over a quick peace, and especially if it somehow escalates into something it should not become. Just how much will the West be willing to intervene diplomatically, I wonder? And just how much will Putin listens? |
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2008-08-10, 04:29 | Link #57 |
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<shrug> Putin knows everyone is either tapped out or is more concerned about the major pipelines in the area. Looks like Georgia breaking the status quo (if that's what happened) blew up in their face - literally.
Most of the civilian deaths appear to be from an apartment complex near an airfield getting caught in the bombardment. Another pile of unnecessary deaths from nationalistic testosterone overload.
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2008-08-10, 06:31 | Link #60 |
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Can I ask that everyone remains civil while posting in this thread, and for that matter please keep on-topic.
A number of posts have been removed due to this, if you feel that part of a removed post was relevant then please let me know (by PM) so the on-topic part can be restored. |
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