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Haven't You Heard?
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Maybe it's connected with a deleted "Suzaku had a connection with Geass" Thinking about that. We've already seen Lelouch past and parents, Kallen parents, C.C. past, Suzaku past, but not his parents ( in terms of both father and mother ). Isn't Suzaku serve as Lelouch anti-exist ? If it's true, why his father and mother background not fully shown ? Discuss that on Suzaku character thread ^^; |
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2012-05-05, 02:26 | Link #7465 | |
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2012-05-06, 08:48 | Link #7470 | |
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A hero would stand up for his crimes, and face his punishment! Lelouch had the ability too change the world for the better, but he mucked that up too! He was driven by revenge, and that is a double edged sword that cuts both ways, and he had thought he'd list his sister, so depression became a part of it too. But a hero?! Not in my book! |
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2012-05-06, 11:25 | Link #7471 | |
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You might say that lelouch was a jerk and coward ,but being that was part of the plan, it was necessary to bring everyone together
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2012-05-06, 20:17 | Link #7472 | |
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2012-05-11, 02:23 | Link #7475 |
Still Alive
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Lelouch is............ Light with a bit of morality still intact. I don't necessarily hate his character. He's not a hero in all this nor is he a villain. He is the lesser of the two evils between him and Shnizel.
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2012-05-11, 11:44 | Link #7477 | |
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Light is not sane, for starters. He cracked the moment he realised he'd actually tarnished his own purity by killing people with the Death Note; everything that followed was a murderous lunatic's increasingly wild attempts to justify himself (much though I dislike Near's character in general, he got that much right). Other than that, he was motivated by a mixture of boredom and ego. That's not to say that Lelouch doesn't have pride, but it's not one of his main motivators. For Light? The whole battle with L was about ego. If it hadn't been, he would've just kept cool when Lind L. Tailor tried to bait him, let him live, then carry on killing criminals. Hell, even if he had lost his cool there, he wouldn't have lured L out into the game of cat-and-mouse the way he did. He may have talked about doing it to eliminate his opposition, but really? He was bored and wanted the challenge; moreover, he needed to assuage his wounded ego after L outclassed him with the whole Tailor episode. Finally, Light is characterised by icy calm most of the time contrasting with violent freak-outs, unlike Lelouch, who maintains a far more sane medium in comparison. So yeah. Superficial similarities aside, Lelouch and Light don't really resemble one another all that much, unless you want to take a much less favourable reading of Lelouch's character than I have (or a much more favourable one of Light's... though somehow I doubt that'll be a popular one). I'm not saying Lelouch isn't morally grey. He is, very. That's the great thing about Code Geass; plenty of people like that, very few who are either shining heroes or outright villains (though you do have a few of each). But saying he's just Light with a few more morals is, in my view, simplistic. |
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2012-05-11, 12:30 | Link #7478 |
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You don't expect me to defend my statement do you? I just, as you said, put it there without much thought. And I agree with everything you said to differentiate between Light and Lelouch.
The thing is, its very difficult for me to form an opinion of him. Euphie's death(or rather murder) had a great influence on his character. My problem is, the events that led to that were just too unreal and artificial for me. I can't blame Lelouch for it. I mean he could have said a hundred different things to her to prove his power. Since I can't accept something as important as that, I can't really say much about him. All his subsequent actions as well as Suzaku's and others as well were influenced by that one event that I just can't come to accept as legitimate. That's why I can't even post a review of this show
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2012-05-11, 13:38 | Link #7479 |
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To be quite fair, when I first watched Code Geass, I had more or less the exact same problem. The Euphinator incident utterly ruined the series for me precisely because, as you say, it was so contrived. When I first saw it, I actually just stopped the episode there, said, "No more," and didn't come back to the series for months, even though before I'd been figuratively guzzling the episodes several at a time. It was only after significant cajoling from friends who were fans of the series that I decided to give it a second chance (that, and the realisation that having been rather tired when I first got to the Euphinator bit probably hadn't helped), at which point I watched from the beginning to remind myself what I'd liked about the series originally, then grit my teeth when it came to that one episode and just soldiered on through it.
And I'm glad I did. I love the rest of the series, the odd moment aside, and I get great pleasure out of it every time I re-watch it. But I can most definitely understand a great aversion to that one incident. Foreshadowed (vaguely) or not, it was still... well, to use the word that often gets lobbed at the Zero Requiem, an arse-pull. To this day, I still can't call it a good storytelling decision; I prefer simply not to think about it. Though, that said, the end of that episode, with the juxtaposition of the crowd cheering Lelouch/Zero in a frenzy with Euphie elsewhere breathing her last to Suzaku's distress, is despite what led to it one of the great moments of the series for me. |
2012-05-11, 16:21 | Link #7480 | |
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