2015-05-06, 10:12 | Link #1 |
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How do you feel about Doujin Authors who humiliate decent/nice characters?
Not trying to flamebait: just want to see how everyone else feels.
Sometimes, a character is just so sweet/decent/kind/nice/noble that they touch you heart, and you not only just like them, but actually love and respect them. And then there's Doujin authors who deliberately go out of their way to pick those decent, lovable characters and humiliate them. Don't get me wrong; I openly enjoy my H-Doujins as much as the next Otaku; But it just feels so wrong when it's a good-hearted dreamer like Saten Ruiko (Railgun) tricked into being humiliated from the promise of getting a mere Level-One power, and crying with joy that she got said power at the cost of her dignity. Or Yuuki (Sword Art Online II), a shining example of bravery and hope Spoiler:
being reduced to a crying wreck whose hard work and courage amounted to nothing. I'm all for free speech and all, but am I weird for wanting to punch authors like that in the face, or at least write a strongly-worded letter to them? Just wondering that's all.
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2015-05-06, 13:02 | Link #3 |
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Oh, I hate those type of Anime. It's not only Anime that does this too but Animated shows too, like Ed, Edd n Eddy that had the really nice guy get beaten all the time even though it wasn't his fault at all. I like Anime that nice characters get treated with respect, I also really hate when the female main character beat the crap out of them when they didn't even do any thing wrong. Why thes people who work on those shows feel they need nice guy's get treated like crap is Beyound me, must have had a lousy childhood.
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2015-05-06, 15:29 | Link #5 |
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ANDDDD this is why I only deal with original doujins or series I don't like. Most people have shitty imaginations so I just leave it to not spill over or insult things that are actually good. Pretty sure a lot of people seem to want to draw teh sex without consideration of who or what it is, so yea...
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2015-05-06, 19:53 | Link #8 | |
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In all likelihood they must be pen-pals sharing notes. Almost makes you feel sorry for those worthless bastards. Almost.
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2015-05-06, 21:27 | Link #9 |
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I kind of like these kind of doujins as long as the art is good. That doesn't mean I can't enjoy good heart warming vanilla though. I'm all for variety.
Also, I've read that apparently these kind of doujins are also often drawn by female artists.
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2015-05-07, 03:38 | Link #11 |
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I don't see anything wrong with this.
In fanfiction/doujins the author portrays the characters in a way he or she wants to. If that's a rape fantasy, heart-breaking, depressing, vanilla or a complete reverse of the character then so be it. It's their take on the story and as long as it fits well into their story then that's perfectly fine. Very true. I know only one good fanfiction author but unfortunately her personality is worse than a fatalpulse doujin. |
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Freedom of expression is important, but that's not the same as freedom from mere criticism. If you present a character in a way that some people will find offensive and/or very OoC, you should be prepared to face some criticism for it. Fanfics and fanworks that don't degrade/humiliate characters in the way that the OP is describing are preferable to fanfics and fanworks that do degrade characters in that way, all else being equal. I agree with the OP on that. Quote:
If they just take the character, and present them completely OoC pretty much right off the bat, then that's either bad writing or disrespectful of the character or both, in my opinion. And I find it a bit ironic that you agreed with what GDiddy wrote, because I would argue that some fanfic writers taking positions like your own is a big part of the reason why fanfiction often has a bad reputation. When people read fanfiction, it's typically because they want to read characters they know and like in new and different stories. That's undermined when characters are presented very OoC - Writing a character OoC defeats much of the very reason that many people would turn to fanfics to begin with.
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2015-05-07, 14:03 | Link #14 | |
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It's just not a subject that has bothered me much. Some doujins/fanfics can take established characters/settings into unexpected and interesting ways. I may not always like it, but I won't begrudge the writer for it. Also, it's important to remember that a shitty story is a shitty story, regardless of the genre and characters used. Many times a creatively bankrupt individual or company will just use the characters/setting to cash in on popularity. They really don't care about the original material at all, they just want to make some money. So there's personal reasons they might make a trashy story, and there's monetary reasons. Honestly though, with so many doujin out there, there's bound to be some good ones. I say find those, and pretend the rest don't exist. There's no need to be upset.
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2015-05-07, 15:11 | Link #15 | ||
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Do you honestly find it hard to understand and accept why a fan of a character would dislike that character being wrote in degrading and/or very OoC ways? If I like a character, I'd rather not see that character get raped, and left in tears. And here's a key factor for me - I don't read many doujins, but rape or coerced sex comes up in a pretty high percentage of the ones I've come across (which is probably the main reason why I don't read more doujins than what I do - this is a serious turn-off for me). I find this, at best, disappointing. Because the writer could have chosen to try to write a believable and truly consensual sex scene. In my view, that's more win-win, as it's something that's less likely to upset the fans of the characters involved. And some of us just don't like rape content, period. So, using your logic, who are you to judge me for preferring consensual sex scenes over rape? Quote:
Criticism can be helpful at times. As a frequent fanfic writer myself, I welcome constructive criticism. I want to know when readers think I'm writing a character OoC, or when they think I'm not being fair to a particular character. I probably won't always agree with the reader, but sometimes the reader might change my mind, and then that may result in me improving as a fanfic writer or making some helpful adjustments to a fanfic-in-progress.
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2015-05-07, 16:08 | Link #17 | |
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I don't think people should go out of their way to find fanfics or doujins they don't like, but if you come across one during a general search, then offering some feedback to that effect might have an impact. Especially if it's mixed with honest compliment as well. Something like "Great artwork, but I didn't like the story because you made it seem terribly torturous for Character XYZ"
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2015-05-07, 20:42 | Link #19 | |
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I hate the rape stuff because it's just OoC for the most part and I find it disrespectful to the creator's vision as well.
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2015-05-07, 21:45 | Link #20 | |
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I get what you're saying, but my point was that positive feedback without criticism is just as valuable. You don't have to give negative feedback, nor do you have to balance it with likes/dislikes. Everyone communicates differently.
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