2012-03-12, 02:25 | Link #1001 |
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that's the most common theory, Guido.
It may explain why Rock is able to fight on even grounds with her... that is if Mato remains still trapped within Insane by the next episode, which may or may not be the case since the preview didn't give any hint of what is happening in the real world. |
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You apparently forgot: you requested "someone explain the story to me", and that is why I began posting. I did not post to try to debate with you. I posted to give an explanation of the plot/characters which would allow you to follow the rest of the story (at least as much as the rest of us) if you wanted to. For example, I explained the fact that STR and Yuu switched places, an established idea which you were not previously aware of. If you're not willing to even accept the possibility that the plot is coherent and not ridiculous, and would rather get into a stupid debate trying to "prove" that it doesn't make sense, you might as well just drop the fucking show. If there are viewers who are having a hard time following the story, there are multiple posters here who do feel like they have figured things out and are willing to pass on their interpretations. Nobody, however, has the time to get in a pointless pissing match over "this story sucks, it is completely ridiculous". Quote:
- Saya wants to kill BRS - Otherworld personas grow stronger when their human counterparts experience pain - Therefore, Saya wants to maximize the pain of various people around her while avoiding causing pain to Mato, who's the counterpart of BRS. According to this obvious logical structure (if you don't want to accept it, just drop the fucking show): - the reason Saya targeted Kohata was not to give Mato pain, it was just convenient - BRS killing Kohata's persona before Saya could make it strong enough to fight BRS would be completely pointless for Saya's goals, therefore Saya did not send Kohata against her. Quote:
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If you have any further problems, (try to) figure them out yourself. This is a more than reasonable basis to eventually reach the conclusion of "I have made sense of this story". If you have no interest in ever coming to the conclusion that "BRS makes sense" in the first place, drop the fucking show. |
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2012-03-12, 04:08 | Link #1003 |
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There is one glaring plot hole that nobody addressed yet. Why the heck didn't BGS join DM in the fight against BRS??? She could have tried to backstab her, instead she only observed the battle from a distance.
I really wanted to like this show but the storytelling is just bad.
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2012-03-12, 04:29 | Link #1004 | |
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yeah, if at that point saya/BGS wanted to get rid of BRS, why didnt she intervene just like in the scene with chariot? |
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2012-03-12, 05:30 | Link #1005 | ||||||||
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But do tell me something, at what point does putting your hands on your students in a fashion to strangle someone does it constitute simply "thinking about it"? If I take a knife and bring it dangerously close to someone's jugular does that still count as simply "thinking about it". If I said "you really should die" to the person does it not give intent? If make some horizontal motions around his neck, does it not make the man sweat in terror? Would the person think it was just simply harmless fun and nothing to worry about? How about when the knife is simply only a few centimeters from piercing their own throat? Would the person in question take that action as a threat or attempt on his life, giving that he is not a psychic? Mato is a middle school girl who is taking on personal problems way beyond her age. When you look at a person's mental health you look at it holistically. Meaning, everything bad things that happens to a person builds up stress if not released, else it just builds up. If you build enough pressure anyone will snap eventually. So when I see Mato having problems with Kagari, Yomi, Yuu, and to some degree Kohata they all add up. Considering these are not your ordinary problems the magnitude is likely to be much larger than any mundane problems we face everyday. However, none have those issues have been truly resolved and continue to be a problem weighing on Mato's mind. She stated herself that simply ignoring the problem or forgetting it will come to bite you back in the ass sooner or later. I really do applaud Mato for handling these circumstances so well, but there is a limit. A limit Saya does not want to push. Again, my own view. Probably won't agree with me. Fine. I won't say anything else. Quote:
I felt that the scene where Mato was trying to remember Yuu would have dealt an large mental blow if she wasn't there. Since this happened at the episode five, the toll on Mato's mind must have been rather significant. Nothing like having one's hope turn into despair. Again, my take on the scene. Quote:
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2012-03-12, 05:38 | Link #1006 |
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Okay guys, I think it's time to end this. It's starting to get quite ridiculous.
BRS is not a perfect series alright? The fact of the matter is that nothing is perfect, but sometimes we need to give it some leeway despite its problems and focus on what we actually enjoy about it. For example, I'm sure everyone can agree the animation and action scenes for this show are impressive right? Let's not turn this topic into one huge argument. That just makes it unpleasant for everybody.
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2012-03-12, 12:58 | Link #1009 |
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Has anyone considered the possibility that Saya herself has some sort of mental disorder? Maybe some sort of split-personality which would explain the jarring difference between how she acts in the first few eps compared to how she is in ep 6?
Also, is it confirmed that the people who've had their other selves killed actually "lose" their memories? Perhaps they just get them repressed? It makes more sense in the psychological aspect of things, and makes it alot easier to get a "happy" resolution in this anime. |
2012-03-12, 13:08 | Link #1010 |
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not really. What happened in the sixth episode is that she just had her world destroyed around her and she realized there's nothing she can do about it other than pray for a miracle. Mato and Insane effectively broke her spirit.
Imagine it as Mato coming up to her, slapping her and then telling her everything that she's been working for half of her life has been for nothing and there's nothing she can do to change that. As for the memories, hmm it's a bit iffy to tell. Kohata forgot completely about Takkun, but Kagari still had hints of memory that told her that Yomi had been somehow important for her. Kagari however can't really recall anything good that Yomi could have done to make her so important, so Kagari simply opted to break ties to the girl who was too clingy for Kagari's tastes |
2012-03-12, 13:19 | Link #1011 | |
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What I mean is, it's obvious she's willing to do a lot for the purpose of protecting Yuu (the one trapped in the other world) but she still has enough of a moral compass to be upset when someone got hurt as a result of what she's doing. I think her character has been depicted that way from the start.
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2012-03-12, 14:04 | Link #1012 |
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hmm, there's been an update over the official site. The "awesome" translator I used couldn't make heads or tails out of it. I take it is about the release of the bluray?
http://6109.jp/brs-news/?blog=254401 EDIT: actually, I think they are saying the last episode will be the 22 instead of friday, but can't really tell |
2012-03-12, 15:38 | Link #1014 |
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In Ep5 Saya might have not wanted Mato dead but wanted to get the idea to BRS that she should sacrifice herself to DM.
But that didn't work. I think that unlike the others that BRS was largely independent from Mato (aside from a few dreams). None of Mato's worries or feelings seem to carry over to BRS unlike with the other alter egos. Saya thought that BRS killing spree was mostly Mato's influence but it was not. If just the otherworld scenes are watched it was a logical course of action that BRS took. I think that was the mistake she was referring to, she herself made BRS shooting everything that was moving and why she now considers Mato innocent. |
2012-03-12, 16:13 | Link #1015 |
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Ok - caught up to ep 5 at the moment, and will watch ep 6 later on today.
Hafta agree with some of the comments in particular how the series is too melodramatic at times (although to be fair I remember what I was like when I was a teen and also had my moments of emo too), but overall is enjoyable. For me I would like it if a few more eps were allocated to it and the pace could be less "rushed" - personal taste, of course. In any event I liked what I saw up through ep 5 and am looking forward to the "final showdown".
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2012-03-12, 16:45 | Link #1016 |
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Not to get involved with all the arguments happening here but can someone tell me if I'm right? I'm trying to piece together the basic plot of the show, and to me it seems like the counselor is just trying to protect the other world (for some reason that I might have missed?).
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2012-03-12, 17:27 | Link #1017 |
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Dunno, first time that the fantasy world got decent screen-time... and it didn't look that good
The storytelling is also a bloody mess, no focus at all, it's like Guilty Gear, Horizon, Death Note, etc. Nice ideas/setting/art, terrible execution I whole-heartily disagree, their dialogue is rather interesting to read. |
2012-03-13, 00:20 | Link #1020 |
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So, can someone clearly explain what is going on for me?
From what I'm getting, the Otherworld individuals take on the pains of the real-world girls, but become "awakened" when they receive a huge amount of grief. Saya tries to induce this change so that they can defeat Mato/BRS to protect the Otherworld? So why is BRS even a danger? Why did BRS try to save DM when held back by Chariot, only to kill her in the awakened state? What is this deal with Yuu/Strength?
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