2011-11-09, 22:04 | Link #17581 |
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Hawker in dispute with MBS gets full jackpot winnings
This is shameless. Singaporeans cheating Singaporeans? Which retard is the one running the casino?
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Yes I have looked into Pilger's work Sugetsu, and that's the problem. YOU are too intelligent for this guy, and I'm not patronizing you when I say that. I've talked with you long enough to know that you are more honest than Pilger will ever be. I just worry that you're not digging deep enough to see that people like him are living in a fantasia of their own making. If you like Pilger, that's your business, but don't expect me to respect him. Quote:
Limbaugh is a favorite of the conservatives and that site I linked to is a conservative website. As for Pinochet... Salvador Allende was stealing farmland from peasants that was aggrivating an already bad situation (due to US sanctions) and helped cause the starvation that preceeded his overthrow. Pinochet just gave him a taste of their own medicine even though Pinochet was basically a CIA puppet. The whole Chilean situation went from bad to worse due to intervention by the two superpowers of the time (the USSR and USA). http://www.lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts189.html Quote:
He doesn't talk about the USSR or China because it doesn't fit into his dialogue about the "evils" of "capitalism." Quote:
Do you mean Edward Bernays? He's a Neo-Con, basically a monopolistic-corporatist. Ayn Rand was an Objectivist, which is a totally ridiculous philosophy, just like Marxian-socialism. Quote:
Reagan was governor of California before he was president of the United States. While I agree with you that Reagan was a corporate puppet--Iran/Contra proved that--his quote is still relevent. Quote:
I hate Obama's policies. He might be a great person, but his agenda was bought and paid for by Wall Street as illustrated in their recent contributions to his re-election campaign. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...rc=al_politics Obama is a corporatist puppet just like all the rest since LBJ. Quote:
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2011-11-09, 23:25 | Link #17583 |
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Israeli officials: ElBaradei an Iranian agent
"Senior Israeli officials said Tuesday night that the International Atomic Energy
Agency report stating that Iran has been working on developing a nuclear weapon design proves that the former UN nuclear watchdog chairman "was an Iranian agent". On Wednesday, ElBaradei rejected Israel's accusations and called them "false." His response was published on the website of the Egyptian daily al-Youm al-Saba'a." See: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...146150,00.html |
2011-11-09, 23:35 | Link #17584 |
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Well if the Israelis can hide their nuclear program for 40 or so years, why can't Iran for like five? Aside from the whole "likelihood of Iran's government being unstable (mentally)" problem, that is. Iran just sucks at hiding stuff long term and seeming sane enough that no one would both them all that much. If people weren't afraid of them having said weapons and then having a rather poor history with the West, they wouldn't be under the microscope like they are now.
But (to make you wonder) what if they really were making the nuclear reactors and their program for peaceful energy use...until they got saction upon sanction to the point were they decided to go Nuclear just to be safe from the West's seeming constant threats. If that analogy works. It probably doesn't given all the stuff that happened with hijacked planes and whatnot.
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2011-11-10, 00:15 | Link #17585 | |
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its their delusions of grandeur that makes everyone worry about them getting nukes. the Saudis and Jordanians aren't exactly staying up at night worrying about Israel trying to take over the middle east, but Iran is a different story.
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2011-11-10, 01:18 | Link #17587 |
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That sort of goes hand in hand with fearing the Iranians having said weapons. Right now they can't realistically do anything without being stomped on like Iraq was in 1991. With them not having a nuclear program, they wouldn't be under the glass so much. They'd still be annoying, but they (and the rest of the world) would know they would get stomped on if they tried something. Without the nuclear threat, they can't really do anything their batshit crazy leaders talk about.
The worry is that they get nuclear weapons and either send them to people that could care less about the nuclear deterrent, or be the people that care less about the nuclear deterrent. Them being the people that care less about it is the really scary one since it places all Iran under threat of becoming glass without their leaders having a care in the world about them. The other one seems more normal (still scary) in like of terrorism. It would just be a bigger bomb in that light. Much bigger. (the scary part is only in the where would they use it? And how many could get out without being found).
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2011-11-10, 02:15 | Link #17588 |
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In the news:
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news...lks-at-impasse Business as usually on Capitol Hill as the two parties can't agree even when there are only 12 of them and the budget is at stake. Super Committee? Super at what?
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2011-11-10, 03:52 | Link #17589 | |
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Allow me to enlighten you this time, last time I gave up because I didn't want to argue but not this time. Marxism is only "one theory" of the modern socialism, not THE ONE, but one, this is the major error you are writing by putting on the same level one branch of the tree with the trunk. Both aren't the same, marxism indeed wants to throw away the state, socialism not necessarly, from this you can't say it's the same since there is a major difference. Marx was no matter how much you hate it, a great sociologue, he analyzed the society and invented some real thing like this class struggle, all of this, without having it as a political opinion. In the end, you are still doing the shortcut socialism= marxism and since communism is based on marxism it goes : socialism = marxism = communism. The last sentence I quoted absolutely shows this because your POV is so much biased that you are implying that because we occidental are rich, the whole world is rich, forgetting that for one rich human, there's four others humans dying of hunger, illness, or something else. So it's very arguable to say that liberatism is good for humanity and socialism isn't. So for someone who tells himself being a geek of philosophy, you will have to do better, because for me, you are no different from the usual america idiot. (which doesn't mean you are one, but either you argue properly because you have made reserch on it, or either you continue on your HURRR HURRR socialism is evil without arguments and I will leave like before) |
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2011-11-10, 04:13 | Link #17590 |
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Students turn out to support the legendary football coach.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...8.html#s463882 (hi-rez pics) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...e-scandal.html |
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http://www.marxists.org/archive/draper/1966/twosouls/ Most of the groups that you and I would consider "socialist" the Marxists call "old crap" since they see it as "socialism-from-above." In other words, Social Democrats, Democratic Socialists, Libertarian Socialists, Fabians, etc. would be rejected by Marx as being "tools of the bourgeois." Quote:
With, according to Otto and Bauer, no tolerance for anyone else but himself being in control. His theory has been proven by history (Lenin in particular) to be a total and complete failure. Quote:
Problem is that most live in socialist countries, since all have governments and thus are not truly communist. Which leads me to why I said Marxism is the same as Modern Socialism. No totalitarian government will ever simply "wither away." It, as Benito Mussolini pointed out, will become increasingly oppressive and ultimately fascist. No country that has attempted "Scientific"-Socialism has ever achieved a communist state, and none is likely ever to. Therefore, in practice there is no difference between the two. In theory, sure, there's a large divide between them, but I'm not interested in the theory. Theory that is not applied to society cannot murder anyone. Quote:
My "bias" is anchored in reality rather than in what I'm told to believe by those who are adherents to an anti-human philosophy. After all, most of the democide of the 20th century was committed by Communist/Socialist countries, though not all:
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2011-11-10, 04:50 | Link #17592 | |
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Each country that tried to do it, was influenced by its time, its population and a large fan of conditions, nothing says that in 500 years there will be an equal society and that they won't laugh at our actual system (no matter how much I pass for a anti-capitalist, I'm actually a capitalist, that doesn't make me unable to think there should be more equality between people). According to me, if there are different theories, there are different ways in pratice, true History showed us two bad face of communism (USSR and China). I won't answer to your last point because I believe it has no point (I don't seee how to express it), I'm sure if we compare the number of death capitalist society caused, we -by far- outnumber the communist's one. Thus it depends what you're seeking to prove. In the end I guess it's a difference of vocabulary, what you call socialism, isn't what I call socialism, my socialism is the 'tools of the bourgeois" that you said. I believe the finance/economical system we have is good, but by using socialism way of thinking we can make it better. A direct example would be the banks, that can do what they want because of our "right" politicians and won't ever get punished for their abuses. Ofc, I'm not saying that left politicians will punish them but at least they express the thought while for right it's simply " hey peons/mob, pay for the stupidities the banks did, not like you have the choice anyway." |
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2011-11-10, 05:02 | Link #17593 |
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How did an article on Sarkozy calling Netanyahu a liar turn into a debate about socialism?
Overhaul of the EU under discussion: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15671720
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2011-11-10, 05:39 | Link #17594 |
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Three killed, scores trapped after Turkish quake
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2011-11-10, 06:28 | Link #17595 |
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I only really take one thing away from marxism, the control of the means of production (IE factories) by the working class. I think of all the things marx talked about that's the key issue, and unfortunately it was never adequately implemented anywhere. If workers can own their own tools, and the profits from them, they will have a greater stake in society, and grow wealthy by honest labour like everyone else.
Unlike marx I don't think the above is incompatible with capitalism (and he has a lot of other stuff to add to that, which I won't go into). Under the current system, a worker has no stake in the success or failure of his company, all the profits go to the owners and upper managers, and they have no interest in his welfare. Employees should not be passive members of their organisations, and if they have some kind of ownership stake in their organisation, they will go above and beyond the call of duty for it. Employees should feel like they own the business as much as the boss, while boss may formally own a business, the employees are it's lifeblood (now more then ever). When companies arbitrarily shut down plants, outsource for no good reason, and otherwise treat their employees as objects to be freely disposes of, then you're at the crux of the issue. |
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We also agree on the banks. Just a point though, the chart I posted is from a politically-neutral study on Democide and Mortacracy done by the University of Hawaii.
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2011-11-10, 11:38 | Link #17597 | |
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It is much wiser to asses each case individually when analyzing a person or a society in order to avoid the mistake of association, a mistake that all human beings make; we try to reference something new to our limited source of knowledge. In the end we end up with our own biased definition of the object.
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2011-11-10, 13:54 | Link #17598 | |
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Someone need to ask Paterno "How does do you know so little about sandusky yet so much about football" ps. if you want more comments you should have put this in the news section.
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2011-11-10, 13:57 | Link #17599 | |
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But I do agree that Marxism is an anti-human ideology. Also, as long as you have a government it is by definition a little bit socialist because socialism means government intervention and to have a government you need taxes, which is intervention, which thus is socialism. So socialism is not anti-human, it's as normal as government is. The question is how much. |
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2011-11-10, 16:52 | Link #17600 |
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45240250...-more_politics
Sometimes the dirty laundry can't stay hidden under the bed. But that doesn't mean you can clean it. Nixon's grand jury testimony and other records around Watergate have been released. Over the objection of the Obama Administration (because some of those people are still alive and possibly in office). Stll doesn't tell us anything other than Nixon says those 18 and a half minutes were erased on accident (and that his was mad when he found out just how much was erased). Under oath mind you.
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