D.C.I.F. ~ Da Capo IF OVA ~

[stsaturn]

Originally Posted by passin'gass

I too agree. Remember the ED in the original? There was a girl standing behind a mature Junichi when he was looking at an album, and much speculation on who she was. If memory serves, her identity was revealed only on the last episode's ED.

I think DCIF ep1 is homage to that with the partially revealed clues.

Im a little confused. I have watched all episodes of all the D.C. Seasons. (Although I am currently redownloading them all thanks to Western Digital.) I remember the girl coming up behind Junichi at the last episode of D.C.

Spoiler for Da Capo Ending:

But I thought they gave you just enough to realize it was Nemu. Something like hair color or a glimse of her ribbon

Is that what happened?

Spoiler for D.C. IISS:

Plus if you watch Da Capo II & IISS it is very obvious that he married Nemu. One of his daughters looks just like her. Not to mention you know he doesent get married to Sakura. Sadly the nail in the coffin is when Sakuras son asks Junichi "It's possible to read others thoughts, right? Junichi replies "Oh! I'm a good friend with that girl.

I would like to see D.C.if to fit in to the original even if it means he doesent end up with Kotori. I mean Kotori could be engaged to Suginami. Better yet it would be nice to have another show in between Da Capo and Da Capo SS. It would have to be about Kotori then.

[relentlessflame]

Originally Posted by stsaturn

Im a little confused. I have watched all episodes of all the D.C. Seasons. (Although I am currently redownloading them all thanks to Western Digital.) I remember the girl coming up behind Junichi at the last episode of D.C.

Spoiler for Da Capo Ending:

But I thought they gave you just enough to realize it was Nemu. Something like hair color or a glimse of her ribbon

Is that what happened?

Spoiler for D.C. IISS:

Plus if you watch Da Capo II & IISS it is very obvious that he married Nemu. One of his daughters looks just like her. Not to mention you know he doesent get married to Sakura. Sadly the nail in the coffin is when Sakuras son asks Junichi "It's possible to read others thoughts, right? Junichi replies "Oh! I'm a good friend with that girl.

You're definitely right about that. That is the canon ending of D.C. that flows into D.C. II. That being said, you need to understand that an "If Story" is basically like an "Alternate Reality". In this case, D.C.I.F. is an Alternate Ending to D.C. It's somewhat tied to the D.C.I.F. consumer game coming out in April, which focuses on developing a full finale for Kotori. But the "main story" of D.C. is what we already saw and you described.

[fatez]

Can't this series just die already? I was really disappointed when kotori got "cheated", and I have since moved on. Now, they want to make thing better. Please just let it die. Kotori is jus too good for Junichi.

What's next, remake shuffle so that Kaedae wins?

[relentlessflame]

Originally Posted by fatez

Can't this series just die already? I was really disappointed when kotori got "cheated", and I have since moved on. Now, they want to make thing better. Please just let it die. Kotori is jus too good for Junichi.

What's next, remake shuffle so that Kaedae wins?

Because the world just revolves around you.

This OVA series is a pack-in bonus that ships with the DVD Boxsets for the show. So, it's a bonus feature for people who are already buying the show on DVD. I think it's pretty safe to say that, if you're buying the show on DVD, you're not exactly all about wanting the series to die. And releasing series in DVD boxset form some years after the original release is normal in Japan. It's not like they're airing it on TV, or giving it crazy promo -- hence why practically nobody's talking about even here. That isn't by any means to say they're above milking the D.C. franchise -- there is a Kotori-focused game being released in April after all -- but people who want it can buy it, and people who don't can -- shock -- not buy it. What a concept.

And no, the irony of you bringing up the fact that they should "let it die" isn't lost on me either. Besides that, Kotori may be too good for Junichi, but she loves him anyway, so let her have her happiness, even if it is in an alternate reality.

[fatez]

Originally Posted by relentlessflame

Because the world just revolves around you.

This OVA series is a pack-in bonus that ships with the DVD Boxsets for the show. So, it's a bonus feature for people who are already buying the show on DVD. I think it's pretty safe to say that, if you're buying the show on DVD, you're not exactly all about wanting the series to die. And releasing series in DVD boxset form some years after the original release is normal in Japan. It's not like they're airing it on TV, or giving it crazy promo -- hence why practically nobody's talking about even here. That isn't by any means to say they're above milking the D.C. franchise -- there is a Kotori-focused game being released in April after all -- but people who want it can buy it, and people who don't can -- shock -- not buy it. What a concept.

And no, the irony of you bringing up the fact that they should "let it die" isn't lost on me either. Besides that, Kotori may be too good for Junichi, but she loves him anyway, so let her have her happiness, even if it is in an alternate reality.

I would like to think that Kotori has moved on when Junichi chooses his sister. Now, they want to make an alternate reality, and make us fan remember how miserable kotori was? Give her the respect that she deserves. She has lost once, and I don't think she needs anybody to feel sorry for her to make another ending. It ruins the image of the strong willed, independent, and above all females that kotori possess.

[relentlessflame]

Originally Posted by fatez

It ruins the image of the strong willed, independent, and above all females that kotori possess.

Kotori is strong-willed and independent? No, not really. Kotori is weak, vulnerable, and unsure of herself -- even unsure of her own charms as a woman! -- and this is why she got so much sympathy from everyone in the audience. The main thing that gave her confidence was Junichi. If you have any doubt, just re-watch D.C.S.S.

Originally Posted by fatez

I would like to think that Kotori has moved on when Junichi chooses his sister.

You might like to think that, but that isn't really what the story told us. She struggled for the entirety of D.C.S.S. to accept the reality of Junichi's feelings, even though she already knew they hadn't changed. (See first episode, second drama CD, etc.) She had a hard time moving on. She did learn to accept reality, but it wasn't easy for her. But she had been through more than Aisia, and knew a lot more of the background, so that's why she was essentially 3 steps ahead of Aisia in terms of story development. But if it hadn't been for her maturity and the wisdom that comes with age (and her lack of magical power), she would have been the one begging the tree to revive. The only difference is that she knew, in her heart, that you can't force someone's feelings to change no matter how much you want to. Aisia thought she could "cheat".

Originally Posted by fatez

Now, they want to make an alternate reality, and make us fan remember how miserable kotori was? Give her the respect that she deserves. She has lost once, and I don't think she needs anybody to feel sorry for her to make another ending.

This OVA series is interfering with your sense of closure?! Talk about an emotional investment!

Bishoujo games, like Da Capo (which you can buy now in English, if you want) are largely built around the concept of "multiple endings". Even though the anime chose one path of development, it doesn't mean there isn't room for the "what if". The main thing is, like I said, that this is a bonus DVD for people who are already buying the show on DVD. Since you're not buying the DVDs, you were never meant to see it. So, given that, you have no right to demand anything of anyone. If you don't want to watch it, don't watch it! It's just like the game; you don't have to play all the endings if you don't want to.

[stsaturn]

Originally Posted by fatez

Can't this series just die already? I was really disappointed when kotori got "cheated", and I have since moved on. Now, they want to make thing better. Please just let it die. Kotori is jus too good for Junichi.

What's next, remake shuffle so that Kaedae wins?

Both Da Capo and Shuffle are great shows and why not give us some bonus episodes? I am all for treats like DC.if. I mean it beats getting a reversable cover or trading cards with my dvd. I just wish they would bring more of the treats over to America. I would love nothing more then to dump a weeks salary on the complete Da Capo collection. I think the Da Capo game is as close as im going to get though.

[FatalMemory]

Originally Posted by fatez

What's next, remake shuffle so that Kaedae wins?

No, that would be terrible.
Kotori is more like Nerine than Kaede.

Kaede is a unreasonably jealous non-blood related sibling just like Nemu.
And Kaede was supposedly second in line, in Da Capo I'd say Sakura was second in line. (at least in the first season)

Shuffle's third in line - Nerine
Da Capo's third in line - Kotori

See, it all works out

[Sinta]

Spoiler for Shuffle Anime Ending:

Well granted; I don't think anyone really thought that asa was going to win.

I liked Kotori the best and I wasn't really a fan of Junichi. Moron.

[stsaturn]

Originally Posted by Sinta

Well granted; I don't think anyone really thought that _______ was going to win. I liked Kotori the best and I wasn't really a fan of Junichi. Moron.

Sinta you might want to put spoiler tags on your Shuffle hint.

I thought Junichi was one of the more solid leads in Da Capos genre. When compared to Kanon, Shuffle, Clannad, DC II etc. I though his character was well balanced.

Spoiler for Da Capo Ending:

Da Capo for me was never about guessing which girl Junichi was going to end up with. By the second episode I figured Nemu had it in the bag and Da Capo was going to be a show that was more like Kimi ga Nozomu Eien or Narue no Sekai (They were not out yet but you get the point). For me it became more about solving the mystery (like Kanon) rather than guessing who the lucky girl is going to be.

Also I think Da Capo's side stories alone gave it a level of depth that Shuffle could not even come to. I do agree that Shuffle did a great job confusing the viewer but I would have liked to have seen more depth in the series considering how many episodes it had.

[hollowification]

i watched the first season maybe half of second season but i i think this ova is good i seen first ova i wonder what will happen

marriage between kotori & junichi

[Shinji103]

Iirc, part 2 comes out today/tomorrow, 3/25? (because Japan is about 17 hours ahead of us, they're techincally one day ahead of us)

For me, I gotta admit I'm a Kotori fan adn was one of the guys who whined when Nemu came back in episode 6 of season 2 and took back the spotlight, but now it's more about just watching a show that has a good romance ending. I'm not at all ashamed to admit that I'm a sucker for romance in my anime and manga (I'm always looking/hoping for couples; SetsunaxMarina in Gundam 00, OzxAlice in Pandora Hearts, and even KeitaxKuro in Kurokami), so having an anime like this where (it's strongly hinted that) we have a marriage between two characters that I like is nice to see. Even nowadays, some animes still have a hard time getting past a hug between the main couple, if we even get that much. (those old shows like Arc the Lad, where it's PERFECTLY CLEAR AND EVEN ADMITTED THAT THEY LOVE EACH OTHER, YET THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING, tended to drive me nuts in that aspect)

EDIT: For confirmation, that's a "yes" on my recollection of the release date: http://www.getchu.com/soft.phtml?id=607652 (watch out for some possible adult content in the banners and such)

Of course, we have to wait for somebody to blow the cash on the whole DVD set before we can hear anything about it, lol.

[Shinji103]

Right when I was afraid that we weren't going to get much info on it for a while because of the price tag associated with seeing this episode:

http://anime-suki.cocolog-nifty.com/...dcif-3d56.html

Very brief coverage, but (basically) self-explanatory. C'MON RAWS!!

People who were disappointed at no Sakura cameo in part 1 will get their share here.

[golthin]

Originally Posted by fatez

Can't this series just die already? I was really disappointed when kotori got "cheated", and I have since moved on. Now, they want to make thing better. Please just let it die. Kotori is jus too good for Junichi.

What's next, remake shuffle so that Kaedae wins?

it seems that the success of the Kiminoze OVA with a haruka ending gave this people the idea of a kotori ending story.

[stsaturn]

I really don't see what the big deal is. These 2 episodes are nothing more than bonus material packed with the box sets right? If I am not mistaken they are releasing the entire Da Capo series from 2002 untill now. I think what they are doing with this OVA is nothing more rewarding Da Capo fans.

Even though I am also a big fan of Gundam I will be the first to say that what they are doing is way over the top. Releasing 50 episodes of SEED Destiny, a Final Plus DVD and then finally 4 movies recapping the series that had a recap episode every 10-15 episodes. When you compare D.C.if to Gundam Seed Destiny its not bad at all.

[puretsundere]

Originally Posted by fatez

What's next, remake shuffle so that Kaedae wins?

Being an Asa-sempai fan, I like the ending the way it is. But I guess I wouldn't complain for a few more episodes of Shuffle!

That's why I liked Kimi ga Nozomu OVAs and I like the first Da Capo IF OVA. Being a fan of both of the shows, I like remembering what I enjoyed about the original series. It's nostalgia for me. Plus, it's only two episodes, so it's not like it overshadows the original Da Capo.

Still waiting for that remake of School Days where no one dies. We can dream, right?

[serenade_beta]

Uwaa... This was hilarious, in a bad meaning. But, hey, I'm sure there are people that are glad that Da Capo is Dame Po to the very end, even if it becomes an OVA.

Spoiler for 2nd PVA (end):

I know this trait existed in the DCII SS, but the script writer or someone really likes exaggerating... I still remember Otome's sumo wrestling and flailing...

This episode... They spend the first 17 minutes or so having Kotori and Junichi avoiding each other and stuff. In the end, even if we go another route, Nemu is still in the middle of things. I don't mind myself, but I can see Nemu haters... Wait, never mind. I like Kotori over Nemu and don't hate Nemu either, but this end is just... Uee...

Anyways, after the first 17 minutes of nothing much, we finally get the two getting back together. Too bad the scene was more of a laugh then anything...
Eh? Don't just start singing like that, Kotori?! When did Da Capo turn into a musical?! Oi, somebody!
And you too, Junichi, are you categorizing Nemu's death as "iro iro"?!
Also, if Sakura is responsible for Nemu's death (likely, no?), she sure has the nerves to come into her room/house...

And then, if the musical wasn't enough, they kiss and we suddenly jump who-knows-how-much-time as the scene becomes their wedding! (O_O)!
Which, if you put all of OVA before this scene as a flashback, could be acceptable, but the next scene has Nemu's spirit or something causing every sakura tree on the island to BLOOM!
...Heart-warming...? Isn't it scary? I mean, uwaa... You'd think it was a curse when the script went so overboard...

Overall, it wasn't that good of an OVA. It feels a lot like KimoNozo's (except KimiNozo's still was done better)... Just for the sake of fans of a certain character, they make an OVA series to satisfy those fans simply by showing a scene where they pair up, but the actual OVA itself wasn't that good.
Personally, Kotori x Junichi is just as fine as Nemu x Junichi, maybe better (even if it is all a delusion as the canon pairing is...), but what was this OVA...


Oh, but the insert of the first season's OP was great! As expected of yozuca!

[golthin]

Originally Posted by serenade_beta

Uwaa... This was hilarious, in a bad meaning. But, hey, I'm sure there are people that are glad that Da Capo is Dame Po to the very end, even if it becomes an OVA.

Spoiler:

Well, it is too sad that the only way that Kotari could win was by killing Nemu, at least in kiminoze they let mitsuki live.

[Master Anime]

Yeah just watched ep 2
Finally after long time, kotori got happiness she deserved

[FatalMemory]

Originally Posted by bmkharuhiism

Still waiting for that remake of School Days where no one dies. We can dream, right?

Personally, I'd prefer Summer Days getting animated

Originally Posted by golthin

Spoiler:

Well, it is too sad that the only way that Kotari could win was by killing Nemu

You make it sound like she killed her, rather than the tree.