Gundam 00 Mecha, Weapons, and Technology

[Rising Dragon]

Originally Posted by GN0010 Nosferatu

Must be strong stuff to perfectly deflect the 80mm GN Laser.

It's not an 80mm GN-Laser, its an 80m GN Laser. Big difference there.

[GN0010 Nosferatu]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

It's not an 80mm GN-Laser, its an 80m GN Laser. Big difference there.

Whoops, my bad.

[Kuroi Hadou]

Originally Posted by GN0010 Nosferatu

Must be strong stuff to perfectly deflect the 80mm GN Laser.

The thing about metallic hyrdogen is that it is so incredibly dense. You need pressures on the order of... oh I don't know, the center of a gas giant to synthesize it.

Wait, that sounds familiar...

[GN0010 Nosferatu]

Hey...didn't the ELS fleet come from Jupiter?

I think I remember something about that in the movie.

[Kuroi Hadou]

Originally Posted by GN0010 Nosferatu

Hey...didn't the ELS fleet come from Jupiter?

I think I remember something about that in the movie.

The did come from Jupiter; what I was referencing though was that the ELS evolved within the core of a gas giant.

[GN0010 Nosferatu]

Then my little joke fell flat on its face.

[Kuroi Hadou]

Originally Posted by GN0010 Nosferatu

Then my little joke fell flat on its face.

Most likely.

It's also possible that the "sea" is neutronium, which would be so dense as to make metallic hydrogen look like air.

[C.A.]

Originally Posted by Kuroi Hadou

And tying back to a previous discussion about the ELS' evolution and GN Particles:

Spoiler:

Hmmm I haven't been following the forum for a long time, so hows the discussion on this now? I was one of those who suggested that ELS evolved with the help of GN Particles.

[Rising Dragon]

Any talk of the ELS' evolution should be taken to the Aliens in Gundam thread, now that I think about it...

[DV04]

Wait... what was the discussion on the ELS and GN particles?

[Rising Dragon]

Originally Posted by DV04

Wait... what was the discussion on the ELS and GN particles?

The theory being that GN-Particles of some sort radiating on the ELS home planet's core caused the ELS to evolve in the first place.

[console65]

I just love the ELS. They adapt so damn quickly and can generate practically anything they assimilate. They put the Borg and the T-1000 to shame. Their form of GN technology is quite unique and wonder where it truly originated from. Either from their home planet like some people are theorizing or by copying the GN tech from the ESF and CB.

I have a question about their hive mind. When they generated GN missiles and fired them, do you think they were small ELS going on kamikaze runs trying to blow up GNX-IVs? Of course the obvious answer would be they can remote operate detached portions of their body. But which ELS forms are remote operated and which ones do they truly inhabit? I also wonder if any of the ELS individuals (Doesn't hive mind mean many acting as one?) can truly die when their physical forms are destroyed.

[GN0010 Nosferatu]

The ELS GN-XIVs were seen with the NGN bazooka used by the Aheads in season 2.

They likely just copied the data of the weapon.

[SonicSP]

Originally Posted by C.A.

Hmmm I haven't been following the forum for a long time, so hows the discussion on this now? I was one of those who suggested that ELS evolved with the help of GN Particles.

Yeah, some sort of effect does appear in the movie actually.

Originally Posted by console65

I have a question about their hive mind. When they generated GN missiles and fired them, do you think they were small ELS going on kamikaze runs trying to blow up GNX-IVs? Of course the obvious answer would be they can remote operate detached portions of their body. But which ELS forms are remote operated and which ones do they truly inhabit? I also wonder if any of the ELS individuals (Doesn't hive mind mean many acting as one?) can truly die when their physical forms are destroyed.

I dont think the ELS are individuals at all, their like one giant collective being. Kind like our cells, their alive and well but they can die and the individual will live on as if nothing significant happened.

They will, of course, biologically die, whatever part it that got destroyed but each destroyed part is likely very irrelevant to the whole, much like an individual's cells can be irrelevant to the larger organism.

I think ALL things ELS are part of the ELS collective lifeform, including those small crystal things that eat up people. All is one and one is All, unlike humans who are individualistic in nature, probably still very much so even after they all become Innovators sometime in the future.

[GundamFan]

Originally Posted by SonicSP

I dont think the ELS are individuals at all, their like one giant collective being. Kind like our cells, their alive and well but they can die and the individual will live on as if nothing significant happened.

To bad they all that was missing from there little collective was them transmitting a signal that said "We are the ELS resistance is futile you will be assimalated".

They will, of course, biologically die, whatever part it that got destroyed but each destroyed part is likely very irrelevant to the whole, much like an individual's cells can be irrelevant to the larger organism.

I think ALL things ELS are part of the ELS collective lifeform, including those small crystal things that eat up people. All is one and one is All, unlike humans who are individualistic in nature, probably still very much so even after they all become Innovators sometime in the future.

You know I figure from the get go the ELS had some sort of link between them but after I saw them form some of the GN-X IV and missles I knew they had to be a hive mind.

Spoiler for movie details:

It was the way that a bunch of them joined together to form a GN-X IV and the way they snachted up those missles it just seemed apparent that they were all part of the same life form from the way they were acting.

[SonicSP]

Originally Posted by GundamFan

To bad they all that was missing from there little collective was them transmitting a signal that said "We are the ELS resistance is futile you will be assimalated".



You know I figure from the get go the ELS had some sort of link between them but after I saw them form some of the GN-X IV and missles I knew they had to be a hive mind.

Spoiler for movie details:

It was the way that a bunch of them joined together to form a GN-X IV and the way they snachted up those missles it just seemed apparent that they were all part of the same life form from the way they were acting.

"All your bases are belong to us" actually make sense if the ELS said it.

Anyways, regarding them being a hivemind, I recall Billy saying that they used Quantum Brainwaves or something at some point (in order for something so collectively massive to function properly, he said), one scene where he was discussing them with Mina. I havent analysed the context deeply yet but I got the impression that's what he said, at least from the gss subs.

[console65]

Originally Posted by GundamFan

To bad they all that was missing from there little collective was them transmitting a signal that said "We are the ELS resistance is futile you will be assimalated".

You forgot "your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own."

They so easily transformed their forms into GNx-IVs and ESF Battleships and the assimilate and adapt hell of fast. They make the Borg look like amateurs.

From my observation they look they convert any material (metal, biological, etc.) into what they are (living metal) when they assimilate because when some of those small drones attached themselves to some mobile suits they didn't look like they could assimilate the entire unit with their limited mass.

[T-T-Thunder!]

I was watching the movie and it occurred to me...

How many missiles does the Harute have in that container?

I mean, Zabanya releases all of its missiles in that one epic burst, but Harute's CONSTANTLY got missiles streaming from it in nearly every scene it is in during the final battle.

It was awesome-looking and all, but sheesh!

[LoweGear]

Originally Posted by T-T-Thunder!

I mean, Zabanya releases all of its missiles in that one epic burst, but Harute's CONSTANTLY got missiles streaming from it in nearly every scene it is in during the final battle.

I know the Harute releases all its missiles in the scene it transforms into Marut mode. But I don't see any other instances of it releasing any missiles in the final battle, with all of its ranged-attack abilities taken care of by its Scissor Bits.

[DV04]

Yeah, I just rewatched the final battle (it's still awesome, no matter how many times I see it) and Harute doesn't unleash its missiles until it goes into Marute mode.

Has this been posted yet? The Quantum System is so godly that you can order parts