2010-03-07, 23:02 | Link #3081 | |
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Please, no one try to support the idiotic idea that they could be from different timelines. Time travel in Haruhi has been shown not to work like that. And in case anyone thinks Volume 9 opens up a way for Mikuru and Fujiwara to be from different futures, then I'll point out that both of them have made appearances before the split occurred. If they did each come from one of those two paths, and one of the paths got erased, then where did the version that showed up before the split come from? |
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2010-03-07, 23:05 | Link #3082 | |
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The TPDD which is external to him, though it is a part of him. And Mikuru. If it is permanently lost, then he can no longer time travel, like Mikuru feared back in E8 and whenever else it got disabled on her. |
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2010-03-07, 23:14 | Link #3083 |
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While it did get stolen in Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody, I think the problem in E8 wasn't that she didn't have a TPDD, it was that there was no future to return to at that point.
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2010-03-07, 23:33 | Link #3084 |
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Yeah, I misworded that. The important point is that she couldn't use the TPDD, even if it was still embedded in her cerebral cortex or lodged behind her eyeball or wherever it is. Whether she couldn't use it because of the lack of future or because it's disabled doesn't matter - the thing is that it couldn't be used, and she was effectively depowered (temporarily). Which is what would happen if Fujiwara somehow lost his TPDD or if it were permanently disabled.
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2010-03-07, 23:49 | Link #3085 |
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Ah, yes, that's very true.
The time travel methodology has been kept very mysterious. I do think that a lot of the theories that hold that the technology is inside Mikuru are correct, but it could also be something with internal and external hardware, and the thing stolen in Bamboo Leaf was simply the external device. Come to think of it, they never did explain how she got it back either. I guess it's assumed that she could contact the future back from her residence in the present, or some other method of at least letting the future know she's stuck. Of course, why she couldn't use it in the past in the first place seems to imply that it's yet another external device. I suppose maybe these questions might get answered eventually. Assuming that there are more novels after the 10th one. It will be awhile before we get to see that one anyways too, what with the licensing stopping the previous translation teams from having a crack at it whenever it gets released (although that's not to say that no one will try.)
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2010-03-07, 23:55 | Link #3086 | |
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Nice job trying to kill discussion by pre-emptively (not to mention condescendingly) labelling anyone who disagrees with you as an idiot. On this forum we have discussions, not proclamations.
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2010-03-08, 00:15 | Link #3087 | |
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At the start point, Yuki rewrites reality with Haruhi's powers. Kyon (from December) intervenes, and gets wounded. Kyon (from January) intervenes, and changes Yuki back to normal. Kyon (January) is taken back to his present. Reality is still altered at this point, and remains altered for three days. Kyon (December) is healed and transported to the hospital, where he wakes up after Yuki changes reality back to normal. During those three days, the events of Disappearance play out with Yuki knowing what will happen and unable to change anything. With this, the mechanics of time travel as portrayed in Haruhi maintain their consistency. |
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2010-03-08, 00:17 | Link #3088 | |
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I love time travel stories. They're my favorite ♥ But damn does Tanigawa make it complicated. I'd love to see the Disappearance story told solely through the perspective of Mikuru or Haruhi, starting with Tanabata 3YA. The alternate timeline that doesn't really exist but which still impacts the "real" timeline... (actually, come to think of it, I'd kind of like to see the entire series told from Koizumi's or Taniguchi's points of view. I bet that could be fairly interesting, if only to see things that Kyon doesn't ever see, like in "Someday in the Rain". Also, I kind of want to see Kyon through someone else's eyes, particularly someone else who is close to him but immensely more popular and more "normal".) |
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2010-03-08, 02:52 | Link #3089 | |
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2010-03-08, 09:42 | Link #3091 | |
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2010-03-08, 10:07 | Link #3092 | ||
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On a side note, is there any indication at all that Fujiwara actually uses the TPDD to time-travel? After all, Yuki mentioned that there are more than one way to travel through time. |
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2010-03-08, 11:16 | Link #3093 |
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Not directly that I can think of, but its implied since he is Mikuru's counterpart.
The only other way to timetravel that we see is Yuki's slow boat method, where the 'passengers' are basically in stasis for the desired interval while time proceeds normally outside. Given that, I think its a safe assumption that he uses a TPDD or something like it. |
2010-03-09, 02:30 | Link #3094 | |
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I explained that in the post you quoted. I'll try to be clearer this time.
Time travel in Haruhi is set up in such a way that grandfather paradoxes cannot occur (but predestination paradoxes/causal loops are common). If Mikuru and Fujiwara came from different timelines, and one of the timelines was invalidated, then where would the one from the invalidated timeline have come from? It would be a grandfather-style paradox. Quote:
Of course, it's possible that Tanigawa isn't as concerned with consistency in time travel as I am, which would throw all of my theorizing out the window. For now, I choose to believe that he shares my concern. |
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2010-03-09, 02:37 | Link #3095 |
そんなやさしくしないで。。。
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*cough*STARWARSMIDICHLORIANSCHEAPWAYOUT*cough*
I'd say if he was in a pinch about time travel it would happen something like that. Just something to get him out of it without any explanation or earlier mention. :X |
2010-03-09, 12:19 | Link #3096 | |
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2010-03-09, 13:16 | Link #3097 | |
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2010-03-09, 13:44 | Link #3098 | |
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Every precaution the people from the future set up is to prevent Grandfather Paradoxes. In fact, it is their JOB to prevent such paradoxes. What you are saying would have invalidated everything the Timetravellers are trying to do. The more consistent explanation is that there are no Grandfather Paradoxes because the people of the future MADE SURE there isn't any. And they might fail one day.
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2010-03-10, 01:27 | Link #3099 |
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What I meant is that somehow young Mikuru, who has NOT yet experienced any of this, somehow knows that her request to jump back eight days has been approved--and that she did NOT know it at the subjective moment when Kyon instructed her to jump back. Rather, Mikuru states that she will have to seek authorization for the time jump, and then is suddenly surprised to find that the authorization has been granted without her needing to explain her motive for requesting the authorization. Her surprise is indicative that it is NOT common practice for an agent to jump first and request authorization afterward (from a subjective-timeline perspective). Therefore, it implies that Mikuru did submit the request and then receive authorization after submitting--whether her knowledge that the request was granted came from being directly told via temporal communication, or from her TPDD indicating that it was authorized, however, is unclear. Either way, however, the situation implies that Mikuru is able to request and receive authorization for TPDD time-jump use using only implanted hardware (she closes her eyes and remains silent for a few seconds when she is apparently submitting the request, suggesting a neural interface).
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2010-03-10, 01:57 | Link #3100 |
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Ah, you're talking about the how not the why.
Perhaps the TPDD is bigger than we think and while the bulk of it is in hammerspace, the control interface itself is implanted in the time traveler. |
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