2009-04-29, 16:14 | Link #1881 | ||
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Since both Sasaki and Haruhi appear to have created Espers... I agree, very amusing indeed. |
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2009-04-29, 16:22 | Link #1882 | ||
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I'm thinking it was a matter of the IDE thinking that it's interfaces which could manipulate the power Aid not have the ability to safely hold the power or B:Were not reliable enough to be given that much power Quote:
People give Haruhi a hard time for doing wacky shit with her abilities. But she is hardly that bad. Imagine if it was in some North Korean peasant who'd been indoctrinated into believing that Kim was a god? Or a white supremacist. Or Charles Manson! Helter Skelter anyone?
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2009-04-29, 16:49 | Link #1883 | ||
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2009-04-29, 19:44 | Link #1886 | |
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If Haruhi was a true malevolent sociopath the world would be a far scarier place.
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2009-04-30, 02:10 | Link #1887 | |
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So it is with the Data Overmind. Sure, Yuki can "borrow" Haruhi's (and Mikuru's) power to turn everything within a year or two radius into one big bachelorette pad in order to get Kyon into her pants, but the execution is imperfect, and would have likely been doomed to failure due to a still-psychopathic Asakura, even had Kyon not hit the reset button. The grasp of Haruhi's powers is even more "alien" to the Data Overmind as a whole, so there's no way they'd be able to just pick it up and figure it out on their own. This is one situation where observation is the only way to learn. I still have my doubts that Tachibana is a "Sasaki Esper". I think that either she's a rogue "Haruhi Esper" that has a slightly different power from Itsuki (illusion, limited mind control), or a powerless "potential Sasaki Esper" and the undoubtedly powered Kuyoh was the one manipulating Kyon's perceptions of Tachibana's "powers". Assuming, as the "Haruhi Espers" such as Itsuki believe, that all their power comes from Haruhi, how would Tachibana have any power if Sasaki has had hers usurped? That and "Sasaki's Closed Space" and the little details of going and coming out of it just strike me as...off...
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2009-04-30, 06:13 | Link #1888 | |
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Not quite sure if this is a good analogy.
The disappearance saga suggests pretty strongly that an IDE interface is perfectly capable of manipulating the power. Any apparent limitation limitation with the power is more likely due to Yuki's own restraint than any hardset limit on her ability to use the power. I mean, she removed the IDE from the entire UNIVERSE. The only reason the IDE wouldn't take the power either for direct practical application or for easier experimentation is probably because they had control issues of some kind. Quote:
The fact that they can enter closed spaces suggests that they still have power despite Sasaki not having anyone. It's supposed to. It's supposed to remind you that there are fundemental differences between Haruhi and Sasaki.
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2009-04-30, 08:50 | Link #1890 | |
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This may be the point. Also, this made me laugh (NSFW). Artefact is such a horrible troll. |
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2009-04-30, 09:36 | Link #1891 | |
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The novels indicate that it was Yuki's inability to deal with the increasing amount of "Junk Data", i.e. her developing human emotions that the IDE could not understand, that caused her to create a world where she could have Kyon. But, because of her faith in and her feelings for Kyon, she gave him the ability to restore the original Time Line. I think that it would be very interesting if she was to declare herself as Haruhi's rival for Kyon's affections. He has already realized that he is as attracted to Yuki as he is to Mikuru. |
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2009-04-30, 13:43 | Link #1894 | |
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Granted, Haruhi technically kidnapped Mikuru too, but at least Mikuru had agreed to stay because of her mission. SOS dan certainly has a noble goal; a bunch of friends having fun, isn't that good enough? In case you forgot, that's what a school-club is suppose to be. If Fujiwara wants to fight his fate, he can do it on his own and not get others involved. As it is, he is just complaining about what he has to do regardless. It's like an assassin complaining about not liking to kill people, but kills you anyway.
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2009-04-30, 14:27 | Link #1895 | |
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It's kind of hard to hold that against them when you take yourself outside the POV that Mikuru is cute/charming and consider the nature of the organization she represents. Do you really think the time travelers have the luxury of maintaining their future by committing nothing but acts as innocent as insuring that two people will get married?
What do you think the Time Travelers do when they have to ensure that someone needs to die a horrible painful death? Quote:
Espers/Organization:Keep humanity safe IDE:Study Haruhi Time Travelers:Preserve history We get quite a few hints throughout the series that the actual organizations/groups are far more insidious than their representatives in the club would suggest. Again, our narrator does not have a good overall view of the situation and has personal bias. It's very possible that Fujiwara's goals may be far more noble than his personality or methods might suggest.
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2009-04-30, 17:46 | Link #1896 |
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You do realize that it was Tachibana's group that was behind that one, don't you?
Fujiwara was actually quite irritated about having to be involved in the whole thing. Mostly, because, history stated that they had to do it. And his faction's goal, if you'll remember, is to make it so that they don't have to do the stuff history says they did. The whole point of his group going to the past is to use the Haruhi-powers to make it so they don't have to do things like kidnap Mikuru. Unless the whole thing about there being two factions of time travelers is just Mikuru's group screwing with us. On the scale of nobility, I think "Making it so we don't have to live our lives as mere puppets of history" is a good deal more noble than "friends having fun." |
2009-04-30, 22:17 | Link #1900 |
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Only thing resembling a true paradox (that Kyon hasn't fixed) is the timequake that cut off the past three/four years ago.
And we know the time travelers have been into the past before because of the artifact now in the care of the Tsuruya family. (I doubt there are Precursors in Haruhi.) |
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