High School DxD Light Novel - Archived Speculation & Theories

[Somethindarker]

Originally Posted by XFire

CaoCao defeated both Vali and Azazel. Do not confuse stamina with combat ability. And the one punch took four volumes to land. Even supposing that Elucid does indeed possess similar power to Grayfia, he won't be totally out of Ise's league. Hell, I'm not entirely sure if Grayfia is still stronger than Ise.

He WAS weak which is why he needed to plan for who knows how long to be able fight them. CaoCao said it himself he wouldn't be able to defeat Azazel or Vali again after their initial encounter, Ise is debatable. Grayfia as a whole could be considered stronger than Ise at the moment she's more experienced and there is a reason she is feared by pretty much everyone. Also the reason it took 4 volumes to land is because he relied on the fact that they didn't know what he could do and guerrilla tactics.
CaoCao is alot like batman. Man to man he's not much, but with prep time he could beat anyone.

Originally Posted by nacer666

There is a possibility that Euclid did really die before and was resurrected by the new super-devil enemy.I bet it will turn into an edo tensei like festival and many dead people will be brought back.

Maybe. Could be cool.

Originally Posted by Chris38

Well, while it's true that Elucid is related to Grafiya it doesn't mean that he has the same amount of power as she does.

After all, there are definitely some differences in power or the characteristics of it, between siblings - Rias and Sierzechs are the prime example of that fact, with Rias Power of Destruction being more specialized for power, while Sierzechs Power of Destruction is more technique based.

In other words, just because Grafiya is pretty powerful, doesn't exactly mean that Elucid is the same as her. He might have a more technique based power, or be the failure of the family like Sairaorg was. (although the last one, is pretty unlikely, due to him being able to infiltrate Ise's Academy, without being detected)

After all, I think that there is a reason, why he actually makes the Evil Dragons that he summons fight, instead of personally going into the front lines.

That alot of conjecture that goes against what's been shown. He was able to rally the magicians, who are prideful and unpredictable and respect power and create dimensions in a three-way alliance protected town. I doubt he's a slouch.

[kusabireika]

Originally Posted by Somethindarker

He WAS weak which is why he needed to plan for who knows how long to be able fight them. CaoCao said it himself he wouldn't be able to defeat Azazel or Vali again after their initial encounter, Ise is debatable. Grayfia as a whole could be considered stronger than Ise at the moment she's more experienced and there is a reason she is feared by pretty much everyone. Also the reason it took 4 volumes to land is because he relied on the fact that they didn't know what he could do and guerrilla tactics.
CaoCao is alot like batman. Man to man he's not much, but with prep time he could beat anyone.




Maybe. Could be cool.




That alot of conjecture that goes against what's been shown. He was able to rally the magicians, who are prideful and unpredictable and respect power and create dimensions in a three-way alliance protected town. I doubt he's a slouch.

agreed

it's just funny that old maou and high-class devil is feared at issei now according to azazel who is now ultimate class devil according to power, still mid class devil yet

uhm i just wondering what will possibilities that vampire faction will join the alliance

Edit: do you think issei will become power type close to support type"gift" and technique type "illegal move triana and ccfd" ?

[Gustem]

about Ishibumi problem health isn't really bad it only depends where is locate the ernia

[Somethindarker]

Let the man have his damn vacation. He usually gives us 3-4 novels a year, whether the hernia and bad hip is severe or a minor inconvenience who cares, send him a get well soon card and be happy the dudes not dead.

[mike211]

So how do you guys think Ise got power up with Hakuryuukou power?
I thinkwhen new body was created, the power of Sekiryuutei and Hakuryuukou merge as one, just that Ise didn't realise it yet.

Also I want this vol to intro Extra Demons, we had about them but they have yet make appearance.

[n0m@n]

We possibly may have gotten how volume 16 will look like.

Spoiler for v16:

Looks like Ise wont be the only male that has appeared in a cover(If that actually turns out to be the cover). Well, unless "he" goes through a permanent sex change......

[bludvein]

I think your majorly underestimating Cao Cao. He may employ strategies but that doesn't mean he is useless without them. His "weakness" is about the same as Kiba's. Being defeated in one blow doesn't mean much if the opponent can't hit you. Even with CCQ Ise had to rely on a somewhat dirty trick (although it was poetic justice) to get that blow.

Although Azazel would have designed something to counter him if they fought again, thats not why Vali would have won. Vali could have just overpowered him without even really fighting with his compression divider. Not a scenario where his skill could come in handy.

[peinmaximus@]

hey guys,you think that shiva is the most powerful hindu god and the top 2 of the world?
and whom you think that win in a battle between sirzechs(full power) and lugh or indra?

[XFire]

To re-iterate the threat from Cao-Cao, the reason no god level being helped fight the Jabberwocky and Bandersnatch was because they were afraid that one of them would get killed by Cao Cao. Leviathan going out and fighting like she did was considered a stupid decision, and only permissible because unlike the other Gods she and the Maou are semi-replaceable.

[Somethindarker]

I never said CaoCao couldn't hold his own. What I meant to say was that the reason he relied on trickery, surprise attacks and heavy studying is because he was so weak physically. Take all that away and he's at a serious disadvantage. Seriously doubt Kiba is at the same level of frailty as CaoCao, he's able to take at least a couple of hit from strong opponent. Devils are naturally stronger than humans you're just comparing Kiba to one of the most powerful ARMORED being's in existence.

Originally Posted by peinmaximus@

hey guys,you think that shiva is the most powerful hindu god and the top 2 of the world?
and whom you think that win in a battle between sirzechs(full power) and lugh or indra?

Read the authors' notes he talks about the order of strongest there a little bit. Alot of factors in a fight, we don't know jack about those two people so who knows.

[bludvein]

Originally Posted by Somethindarker

I never said CaoCao couldn't hold his own. What I meant to say was that the reason he relied on trickery, surprise attacks and heavy studying is because he was so weak physically. Take all that away and he's at a serious disadvantage. Seriously doubt Kiba is at the same level of frailty as CaoCao, he's able to take at least a couple of hit from strong opponent. Devils are naturally stronger than humans you're just comparing Kiba to one of the most powerful ARMORED being's in existence.



Read the authors' notes he talks about the order of strongest there a little bit. Alot of factors in a fight, we don't know jack about those two people so who knows.

While its true that he was human, it was said at the beginning that those descended from heroes have basic physical abilities comparable to devils (just without all the resistances and special abilities). I'll look for the exact quote in a minute.

EDIT: Well the quote I was looking for wasn't where I thought it was, so I couldn't find it. I still remember reading that somewhere though...

[Somethindarker]

Originally Posted by bludvein

While its true that he was human, it was said at the beginning that those descended from heroes have basic physical abilities comparable to devils (just without all the resistances and special abilities). I'll look for the exact quote in a minute.

EDIT: Well the quote I was looking for wasn't where I thought it was, so I couldn't find it. I still remember reading that somewhere though...

Well I wouldn't be surprised if they had slightly higher physical attributes I think I read that somewhere too, but I just doubt they are comparable to devils or angels.

[The Green One]

CaoCao was the epitome of a glass cannon, massive offensive power but paper thin defense due to only having the durability of a regular human, no matter how strong. A solid direct hit from the super powered Devils, Fallen Angels, and Angels could end him pretty easily.

But that's what made him such a badass being able to dominate in fights despite that crippling weakness in defense.

[XFire]

Originally Posted by Somethindarker

Well I wouldn't be surprised if they had slightly higher physical attributes I think I read that somewhere too, but I just doubt they are comparable to devils or angels.

Their bodies are as strong as those of devils. It's just that Cao Cao in particular wasn't strong enough endurance wise to survive a blow from a power type. Kiba is the same, one solid hit from Ise or Sairong and he'd be down for the count.

[Somethindarker]

Originally Posted by XFire

Their bodies are as strong as those of devils. It's just that Cao Cao in particular wasn't strong enough endurance wise to survive a blow from a power type. Kiba is the same, one solid hit from Ise or Sairong and he'd be down for the count.

I do remember reading that heroes' bodies are slightly above average, but I distinctly remember saying they don't match up to a devils or angels'. Also Kiba took at least two shots from Sairorg AND took multiple devastating attacks from Siegfried along with having his arm cut off, I think Kiba is tougher than CaoCao.

Originally Posted by High School DxD wiki quote

Because he is a human, he is physically weaker than Issei and Vali, yet he single-handedly takes down the Gremory and Vali groups while protecting Georg and Samael, which results in Vali calling him the "strongest human".

I know wiki's aren't entirely accurate but I'm confident that the poster knew what he was talking about. Ise has stated multiple times that he is exceptional more durable when not in armor not because of Ddraig but because of being a devil.

[kusabireika]

Originally Posted by Somethindarker

I do remember reading that heroes' bodies are slightly above average, but I distinctly remember saying they don't match up to a devils or angels'. Also Kiba took at least two shots from Sairorg AND took multiple devastating attacks from Siegfried along with having his arm cut off, I think Kiba is tougher than CaoCao.



I know wiki's aren't entirely accurate but I'm confident that the poster knew what he was talking about. Ise has stated multiple times that he is exceptional more durable when not in armor not because of Ddraig but because of being a devil.

If I guess his body now more durable due great red flesh especially in vol. 12+ so I think he can take normal enemies in his basic form I guess

[II Maestro]

Ddraig mention in volume 12 after Ise receives his new body that Ise without the evil piece is a humanoid dragon having Great-Red's flesh makes Ise a small True-Dragon and Ophis power improved Ise's basic physical abilities in his normal balance breaker state.

[kusabireika]

^ true I wonder in normal mode who will win issei vs vali or issei vs Sairog or vali vs Sairog in normal sg form without balance break

Few more days to wait so we can see vol 16 vol cover

[Somethindarker]

Originally Posted by kusabireika

If I guess his body now more durable due great red flesh especially in vol. 12+ so I think he can take normal enemies in his basic form I guess

As shown when he was able to fight multiple magicians single-handed and tank a full burst magic attack without a shield or anything.

Originally Posted by II Maestro

Ddraig mention in volume 12 after Ise receives his new body that Ise without the evil piece is a humanoid dragon having Great-Red's flesh makes Ise a small True-Dragon and Ophis power improved Ise's basic physical abilities in his normal balance breaker state.

Yea so he's basically been upgraded in all departments AND he's able to dragonify his body by pure will...

You think he is more resistant to fire? Will we see his personality become slightly more noble? Or even more eccentric like the other dragons we've been shown? It's truly a great development story wise.

Originally Posted by kusabireika

^ true I wonder in normal mode who will win issei vs vali or issei vs Sairog or vali vs Sairog in normal sg form without balance break

Few more days to wait so we can see vol 16 vol cover

Normal Vali vs Normal Issei = Vali no contest. Vali's got magic skills, superior mind for tactics AND he's a born fighter. Unless more is shown on what his True Dragon upgrades give him.

Normal Sairorg vs Normal Issei = Sairorg. By roflstomp.

Normal Vali vs Normal Sairorg = Sairorg again. By probably a close fight victory leaving him never being the same again. Also Sairorg has no pre-balance break form OR balance break form he only has "Break Down of the Beast" or whatever.

Wasn't Gasper going to be in the Vol. 16 cover? I thought I saw a picture floating around here with it.

[kusabireika]

Originally Posted by Somethindarker

As shown when he was able to fight multiple magicians single-handed and tank a full burst magic attack without a shield or anything.



Yea so he's basically been upgraded in all departments AND he's able to dragonify his body by pure will...

You think he is more resistant to fire? Will we see his personality become slightly more noble? Or even more eccentric like the other dragons we've been shown? It's truly a great development story wise.



Normal Vali vs Normal Issei = Vali no contest. Vali's got magic skills, superior mind for tactics AND he's a born fighter. Unless more is shown on what his True Dragon upgrades give him.

Normal Sairorg vs Normal Issei = Sairorg. By roflstomp.

Normal Vali vs Normal Sairorg = Sairorg again. By probably a close fight victory leaving him never being the same again. Also Sairorg has no pre-balance break form OR balance break form he only has "Break Down of the Beast" or whatever.

Wasn't Gasper going to be in the Vol. 16 cover? I thought I saw a picture floating around here with it.

Not yet I think ._. I wonder who will be cover in vol 16 I really hope it's gasper