Shakugan no SHANA Anime Season 1 Discussion

[Newprimus]

To those who call this show loli fanservice, have we all suddenly forgotten Tsukuyomi Moon Phase?

[NoSanninWa]

Originally Posted by Shinova

To those who call this show loli fanservice, have we all suddenly forgotten Tsukuyomi Moon Phase?

The fact that Tsukuyomi Moon Phase was lolicon has no bearing on SnS's status as a lolicon show.

[Newprimus]

Originally Posted by NoSanninWa

The fact that Tsukuyomi Moon Phase was lolicon has no bearing on SnS's status as a lolicon show.

Hmm, since when?

[Quajafrie]

I'm kind of in the same boat as you with respect to SnS - that is, I found it a lot more interesting at the start than now in the present. I chalk it up to the dramatic first episode in which a "story-shock" is employed by juxtaposing Yuji's quiet school life with Shana's fuzetsu-dominated perspective in which the destruction-riddled aftermath is the norm. Of course, there's also Yuji's startling revelation about his own.. 'status' among the living.

I'll agree here. The second episode was the best for me. Really nice and depressing, and also philosophic. After that, I don't really know, but I didn't felt the same way. I'm really not interested in Yuuji & Shana romance.

[Shinji103]

Originally Posted by Shinova

On the series though, the novel is 11 volumes. So how far are we now into the novels? What volume is the anime approximately on? Is it conceivable that there will have to be a second season for SnS to go through all of the novel that's out now?

We're just past the beginning of volume 4, and with 11 volumes, with the end of volume 11 seeming to be building up to final conflict (possibly), I personally think that we'd need a 2nd season to fully depict the story of the novels.

About the tentacles: In SnS, the tentacles are merely there to provide restraints. Hentai hinting would be having the tentacles "doing stuff" like groping and such, which doesn't happen. As said earlier, Mai Otomoe was a much more accurate depiction of hentai-hinting tentacles.

[relentlessflame]

Well, for what it's worth, count me among those still enjoying this show a lot. Really, I see the show as a metaphor for growing up - birth, childhood, teenage years... I expect adulthood is coming up next for Shana, eventually. Of course, the contrast with Yuuji starting dead is what makes things interesting and adds a lot of dynamic to the story (he's growing in a complimentary way to Shana). And the way it's played with the secondary characters too is very insightful - gives us a deeper look at what the author was trying to say on the theme. So, it's all well played, in my opinion; looking forward to seeing where things head next (although, how things will eventually end seems almost a foregone conclusion...).

Anyway, I guess I'm used to writing a lot more than this, but I just wanted to chime in; I continue to find the show enjoyable as it progresses through its phases, but I do tend to enjoy a good theme-based show. My resolve is weakening for the R2 DVDs...

[Lambda]

Originally Posted by Shinji103

About the tentacles: In SnS, the tentacles are merely there to provide restraints. Hentai hinting would be having the tentacles "doing stuff" like groping and such, which doesn't happen.

It's all a question of how dirty one's mind is. To someone who watches a lot of tentacle porn, anything involving things which look vaguely like tentacles restraining a girl is going to bring back memories. On the other hand, someone who's never even heard of tentacle porn probably isn't going to figure out any intended hints even if there's loads of groping.

But that can be applied to a lot of fanservice. To a completely clean mind, there's no difference between two girls having a conversation in the shower and having one in a room (with their clothes off and on respectively).

I've obviously got at least a reasonably clean mind, because I didn't notice the idea until someone on this thread pointed it out.

[Trax]

I'm a simple soul it seems, I don't overanalyze the anime I watch. I either like it, or I don't. I like SnS, and hardly recall any fanservice except the pool episode which could have been left out. Those twins got some nasty habits though.

[Shinji103]

Originally Posted by Lambda

It's all a question of how dirty one's mind is. To someone who watches a lot of tentacle porn, anything involving things which look vaguely like tentacles restraining a girl is going to bring back memories. On the other hand, someone who's never even heard of tentacle porn probably isn't going to figure out any intended hints even if there's loads of groping.

But that can be applied to a lot of fanservice. To a completely clean mind, there's no difference between two girls having a conversation in the shower and having one in a room (with their clothes off and on respectively).

I've obviously got at least a reasonably clean mind, because I didn't notice the idea until someone on this thread pointed it out.

Well I noticed a possible inference to tentacle hentai in Mai Otome, it was kinda obvious with all the gasping and blushing and stuff... But in SnS there isn't like any "tickling" or blushing etc. So I don't think there's any real connection between "restraining with tentacle-looking appendages" and tentacle hentai unless there's "tickling" and other hinted stuff, or unless the viewer really, really, really wants to see tentacle hentai.

[stonedzombie]

heh......lets see how the next 13 eps pan out

[Bahamut]

...well sometimes i overanalyze the anime i watch...but to the point where it doesnt matter anymore and just end up accepting it...

...when seeing the twins (...even in the opening...) and maybe everything else, i had to admit that it brought some discomfort at first...but now its whatever...

...and as of now...im really enjoying the series...its a good anime...im really interested in the "value of one's existence" or rather the "meaninglessness of one's existence"
...it brings back memories of nihilism...
...oh yeah...and everything else is a good bonus...lol...looking forward to ep 13 also...

[kira_lacusXX]

twins? i thought they were just siblings...isnt the guy older than the girl...i think i heard that somewhere...iunno XS or maybe your not talking about the blondes....hmmmm

[NoSanninWa]

Originally Posted by torrencee

twins? i thought they were just siblings...isnt the guy older than the girl...i think i heard that somewhere...iunno XS or maybe your not talking about the blondes....hmmmm

I beleive that they are twins. The boy is older than the girl, by a few minutes.

[LytHka]

Originally Posted by Shinova

To those who call this show loli fanservice, have we all suddenly forgotten Tsukuyomi Moon Phase?

I believe it IS "moe fanservice" on the first line and it also HAS "loli fanservice." The story is one part of the show but so is the fanservice. Why does the word "fanservice" have a negative connotation among western fans anyway? Fanservice is GREAT. That and a good romance/action story along with Itou Noizhi's originality has convinced me to buy R2 DVDs which is rarely the case for me.

[Owaranai Destiny]

Originally Posted by LytHka

I believe it IS "moe fanservice" on the first line and it also HAS "loli fanservice." The story is one part of the show but so is the fanservice. Why does the word "fanservice" have a negative connotation among western fans anyway? Fanservice is GREAT. That and a good romance/action story along with Itou Noizhi's originality has convinced me to buy R2 DVDs which is rarely the case for me.

Exactly. Sure, the discussion won't end about fanservice...But like I mentioned (or did I? ), so many shows have fanservice. The Full Metal Panic series, Shuffle, Canvas 2, even the Gundam Seed series have shown fanservice here and there. But is it the main theme for these animes? ( I don't know about Shuffle, since I don't really watch it)

As for why it has a negative connotation, certain people might equate 'fanservice' with things like 'panty shots', which they consider perverted. It just simply seems like a misconception.

[stonedzombie]

people reguard "fan-service" sometimes negative, because if a show is just made to be COMPLETELY for fan-service, then it makes it seem that the show is only made to cater for fans, and thats it........it doesnt care about a good story, or great development, etc......as long as the "fans" watching it are happy. I don't like shows catered just for fans, because it makes it seem like that is all they care about......i like shows where the people who make them do not care about the fans, but want to present the show how THEY want it to be presented, reguardless if it provides fan-service or not.

[Bahamut]

...lets just say that if SnS had no fan-service to begin with... (...if thats even possible in anime...) ...would we still be watching this series? ...i know i would...

....then if thats the case...then surely there is something more to SnS then just fan-service...

...there were moments when i was watching and i didnt even notice the shana fan-service...like the scene when shana was taking a bath...i was more in tune with the discussion between yuji and alastor...that i forgot she was taking a bath to begin with...i like it how there is still something else to focus on rather than fan-service alone... (...ep 9 was different story though...lol...)

[ctrl-z]

The fanservice in SnS isn't so bad that it takes away from the plot in the average episode; however, any fanservice involving Shana is that much more noticeable because she's a loli main character. ;D (Similar circumstances that come to mind are Episode 10 of MSLN-A's and Episode 1 of Futakoi Alternative.)

With respect to fanservice again: It's not so much dependent on the viewer's perception so much as the viewer's knowledge of a particular genre. For example, going back to the tendrils/tentacles in 12 (sorry, I know it's been beaten to death), although there was nothing overtly sexual about the scene with Shana being restrained/suspended by the tentacles, viewers with a passing (or greater) familiarity with "hentai" may know that there is a niche segment of that genre that focuses on that type of appendage (and its nefarious usages). Therefore, it constitutes fanservice because the aforementioned type of fan will take particular notice of that type of scene; it has nothing to do with how dirty your mind is, although it could if you're particularly imaginative. ;P

Originally Posted by Bahamut

...lets just say that if SnS had no fan-service to begin with... (...if thats even possible in anime...) ...would we still be watching this series? ...i know i would...

....then if thats the case...then surely there is something more to SnS then just fan-service...

...there were moments when i was watching and i didnt even notice the shana fan-service...like the scene when shana was taking a bath...i was more in tune with the discussion between yuji and alastor...that i forgot she was taking a bath to begin with...i like it how there is still something else to focus on rather than fan-service alone... (...ep 9 was different story though...lol...)

No offense, but it'd be a lot easier to read your posts if you'd stop using so many ellipses. They should be used sparingly, and they don't serve any purpose I can see in your posts.

That said, I agree with your view on SnS fanservice -- indeed, if the fanservice scenes we've been exposed to so far were not present, would the series suffer greatly? Hardly. Good point.

[FeelLicks]

Originally Posted by Shinji103

We're just past the beginning of volume 4, and with 11 volumes, with the end of volume 11 seeming to be building up to final conflict (possibly), I personally think that we'd need a 2nd season to fully depict the story of the novels.

I believe it is already announced that Shakugan no Shana will be 2 series with 26 episodes each.

[Bahamut]

...sorry ctrl-z...you're right though, it doesnt serve any purpose...maybe for me only...
...i guess its just something i tend to do...please dont hate me for it though...

...so a second season of SnS? ...cool...know when does the second season air?