(L+CR) Subete ga F ni Naru (Everything Becomes F)

[GMT]

Originally Posted by SeijiSensei

I'm still waiting to hear how Shiki managed to deliver her own child and raise her for fifteen years without anyone knowing. To me, that requires a huge suspension of disbelief.

What would she have done had she given birth to a boy, I wonder?

There's a thing they used to do to certain promising young choir boys (afterwards referred to as castrati) to keep their voices at a soprano register all their lives ... I wouldn't put that past Magata Shiki.

I really hope Magata Shiki gets her comeuppance next episode. The police commissioner, and a bunch of detectives, have her on record confessing to having a rational reason for murdering her parents, have her confession to murdering her uncle, her confession to multiple possible charges of child abuse, and having her confession to tampering with evidence at the scene of her daughter's death.

I don't have a lot of optimism that she'll get what's coming to her. They'll probably cheap out by having them find her spider hole, and pull her dead ass out of her VR tank, and conclude she's been dead for days ... meaning Saikawa and Moe were talking to a ghost in the machine.

[Dop]

Seemed to me that the Director had been in on the whole thing, which would have made it a lot easier to cover up the situation in Magata's 'solitary' confinement.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by SeijiSensei

I'm still waiting to hear how Shiki managed to deliver her own child and raise her for fifteen years without anyone knowing. To me, that requires a huge suspension of disbelief.

Nobody seemed to take much interest in what she did, as long as she kept delivering whatever it is that made them money.

What would she have done had she given birth to a boy, I wonder?

Ask SaintessHeart what she'd have done...

Originally Posted by Kanon

This episode implied Miki never existed in the first place. I can see how that could fool people who barely know anything about Shiki's family, but how can her own aunt not even know how many nieces she has?

Of course, that is just another one of the many implausibilities this series has. Way too much, if you ask me.

She's got to be an accomplice. At first I thought she helped cover up the uncle's role in the murder to keep up appearances, but helping Shiki escape is rather more than I'd have expected.

[Baldanzotto]

Originally Posted by Alf

I'm more troubled by the way the camera footage being handled in ep 6. I've just checked the timestamp and find the elevator indicator changed at a very unlikely timing.

As far as I understand, Shiki is already out when the door is opened: the FFFF overflow was her chance to escape and contact the director to stage the coming of her sister. The opening of the door happens just when she is taking the elevator to the roof, but that's a coincidence: the personnel of the institute actually was supposed not to open the door at least until the arrival of the director with Shiki posing as Miki.
The bug of the clock however is really confusing: when they switch to Unix the clock should begin to work correctly, and it's showed to skip a minute forward. The only explanation is that the bug occurred just when Shiki escaped and its purpose was to set the clock one minute back in order to delete the footage of her escape.

[Jaden]

I'm quite sure the door only opened once. The security camera aside, there's a guard outside the door at all times. It wouldn't go unnoticed if the door spontaneously opened before. But it remained open, and everyone was fixed on the robot carrying the corpse. It was easy to walk out and enter the elevator at that time. After Shiki entered the elevator, the reset occurred and the footage of her escape was deleted.

About her raising a child on her own for 15 years in the room. Yes, it's hard to swallow. A more rational explanation would've been that she put together a fake corpse from stuff she mail-ordered online or something...and that her reason for killing the director was revenge for being confined in the room. When it was revealed that she lived and raised the child in the room on her own volition, it seemed really far-fetched. But when you think about the themes of the show and the twisted behavior of Shiki, this does make more sense. She keeps her dead family, friends, and lover alive inside her mind and sees murder as just a way for people to liberate each other from their societal bindings. Of course, this includes her daughter. It seems some of the assimilated personalities have a sense of justice, though - and that's why she leaves a trail so that others have the chance to catch and kill her as well.

[~Yami~]

oh sooo well done...
I always suspect Magata Miki as the killer but this twist is so wonderful
The director also has played an important part by reassuring that Magata Miki is actually exist
and I feel bad for the daughter though.. but it is okay since it is worse to live as another Magata Shiki that killed her parents but without brilliant intelligence
I do though that Shiki's daughter should possess a good intelligence since she could pretend using complicated statement whenever she interact with others

brilliant murder... now I wonder what will happen next

[j4c06]

Somehow I am not impressed. So much planning ahead, only to sneak out some door hoping it would go unnoticed. First, it is too out of character. And if by chance somebody were standing in front of the elevator door? Doesn't hold water.

[Kamieichi]

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/inte...ew-book/.96407

[Kamieichi]

(The anime ended, but I still use spoiler tags in this post in case there is someone who intends to read the novel(s).)

Anime & Novel comparison

Spoiler:

• Anime episode title / Novel chapter title
  1 白い面会 White Meeting / 白い面会(White Meeting)
  2 蒼色の邂逅 Azure Encounter / 蒼い再訪(Azure Revisit)
  3 赤い魔法 Red Magic / 赤い魔法(Red Magic)
  4 虹色の過去 Rainbow-Colored Past / 褐色の過去(Brown Past)
  5 銀色の希望 Silver Hope / 灰色の境界(Gray Boundary)
  6 真紅の決意 Crimson Resolve / 虹色の目撃(Rainbow-Colored Sighting)
  7 灰色の境界 Gray Boundary / 琥珀色の夢(Amber Dream)
  8 紫色の夜明け Purple Dawn / 紺色の秩序(Navy Blue Order)
  9 黄色の死角 Yellow Blind Spot / 黄色いドア(Yellow Door)
  10 紫苑色の真実 Aster-Colored Truth / 銀色の真実(Silver Truth)
  11 無色の週末 Colorless Weekend / 無色の週末(Colorless Weekend)

• The argument between Saikawa and Moe in the EP5 isn't in the novel.

• The conversation between Saikawa and Miki(actually Shiki) in the EP7 isn't in the novel. More precisely, they had a conversation, but it wasn't depicted. Saikawa just told Moe that he had talked with Miki.

• Yamane gets killed in the novel. He noticed the counter program written in the Red Maigc's source code earlier than Saikawa did.

• Shiki's past story isn't in the novel. Probably the story is from Shiki(Four Seasons) series.

There are other differences, but these are the mention-worthy ones, I guess.

At any rate, it's a shame this is most likely the first and last anime adaptation. "Subete ga F ni naru" is just a beginning. If taking all related novels(S&M series, V series, Shiki series, G series, Hyakunen series) into account, a character relationship chart becomes rather huge. The image below is a fan-made(including the character drawings) chart taken from this site. Looks like it hasn't gotten updated for some years though.

Spoiler for Character relationship chart:

Considering that I've read only S&M series and never read the other series, I'm not really one to talk. But still, it's really a shame. Honestly, I think cases unrelated to Magata Shiki are more interesting and also there are some scenes from other novels of the series I want to see. Here is an example:

Spoiler:

In a book called "封印再度(Fūin Saido(Seal Again)) Who Inside", Saikawa kisses Moe and hands a marriage registration paper which his name is already written on to her.

Spoiler for Why did he do that?:

Moe fainted from anemia and got hospitalized. Then she made her butler lie to him that she had an incurable disease and had a very short time to live. And Saikawa totally believed it

Actually, "Fūin Saido" itself got adapted in the drama, but the drama team CUT the scene. Seriously! What were they thinking?! (Drama's running time, most likely.)

[Stark700]

Episode 11 (finale):

I suppose this ties back to the beginning as this series seems to associate with themes of life and death. For the majority, I think the show did a good job with the mystery for the second half (first half felt a bit of a hit or miss in terms of pacing imo). However, the last few episodes approached mystery in a thrilling way that I found quite very appealing.

The case isn't just about solving it to find the culprit but the moral and reasoning. I think the reasoning to "go outside" can be looked from a variety of ways from the finale. Overall, still a very well crafted show. Unique as well. 8/10. Looking forward to Noitamina's next show for Winter. Also one of the best OP songs this season.

[Dop]

Great show. It's been said before that it was in places very Murakami-esque, and really that extended to the ending. Definitely one of my favourite shows of the season.

Reminiscent of Noitamina at its best.

You know, as this is one of a series of books, I'd absolutely love it if we saw the return of these characters in the future.

[Haak]

I don't think the story's attempt to sell moral relativism and whole Blue & Orange Morality situation really worked for me but I did like the heartwarming conversation between Moe and Saikawa at the end. Good series overall.

[karice67]

Personally, I'm not sure if the show was trying to sell moral relativism. I never felt that it was saying that what Magata did can be 'right', even if it might be 'right for her'. To me, it felt like the series was concerned largely with pointing out that different people think differently, and that making the assumption that everyone thinks like we ourselves do is where the problem lies when it comes to understanding each other.

Or to put it another way, we need to stop thinking along the lines if "this is what I'd do if I were in their shoes," and actually think about why they do and say the things they do. We might never understand their behaviour fully, but it may stop us from jumping to the wrong conclusions too quickly, as I think humans are prone to doing.

[RDNexus]

And a lot, so to say. It's typical human behaviour. That and usually deducing the worst outcome.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by karice67

Personally, I'm not sure if the show was trying to sell moral relativism. I never felt that it was saying that what Magata did can be 'right', even if it might be 'right for her'. To me, it felt like the series was concerned largely with pointing out that different people think differently, and that making the assumption that everyone thinks like we ourselves do is where the problem lies when it comes to understanding each other.

Or to put it another way, we need to stop thinking along the lines if "this is what I'd do if I were in their shoes," and actually think about why they do and say the things they do. We might never understand their behaviour fully, but it may stop us from jumping to the wrong conclusions too quickly, as I think humans are prone to doing.

Honestly, I think Sakurako-san sold it better. Yes, people think differently. But Magata Shiki seems so disconnected from reality - with her multiple personalities thing - I can't accept her as anything but a crazy person.

[karice67]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Honestly, I think Sakurako-san sold it better. Yes, people think differently. But Magata Shiki seems so disconnected from reality - with her multiple personalities thing - I can't accept her as anything but a crazy person.

Oh, I agree...even if I wasn't too keen on this week's Sakurako-san episode. But I did like the interaction between Saikawa and Moe, especially in thus final episode. To me, this show was more about learning who they were than about learning who Magata was...even though I know it's meant to be about all three of them.

[ThereminVox]

Man, what a strong show. There are a lot of things about the characters that I don't "like", but they got me invested in them early, and I feel like they all paid off in their own way. It felt a bit jarring just cutting straight to the denouement, but there was a lot that needed to be shown. The doctor (and her apparently burgeoning number of assimilated personalities) remains a magnetic, but unsettling presence.

[Master_Yoma]

That was one messed up mystery didnt see that ending coming

5/10 this would of been better as a movie

[sikvod00]

The characters are far more interesting than likeable, heh. Nothing wrong with that though. There's lots for me to chew on, especially the mystery itself. My observational skills are poor and I'm too lazy to re-watch prior episodes. The philosophical\social elements were easier to grasp (what karice mentioned). I also enjoyed Saikawa and Moe's talk near the end, and it was easily the most sentimental moment of the show.

[Kanon]

This was the anime I was looking forward to the most this season, and I ended up sorely disappointed. Mainly because the mystery was very weak if not downright bad. Add to that the horrid pacing of the majority of the series and you're left with something that isn't very interesting nor memorable. The characters, their interactions, and the philosophical meanderings were fun but it wasn't enough to make the series stand out. 6/10.