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Old 2019-01-10, 14:02   Link #13921
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I’d say there was quite a massive leap between the last two arcs. We saw ikki fought against high-schoolers in the stars something arc and all of a sudden, he faced world-class opponents in the next. That’s quite a difference, fellow high-schoolers and professionals. As others said, it’s too soon for them to face professionals when they just barely won against their fellow teenagers!

I mean, I know this is shounen and ‘plot armour’ is inevitable but...I just can’t bring it in me to congratulate a high school boy winning against mike Tyson because “he’s the MC, can’t have him lose bruh”.
How would you feel if a ‘boy’ win against ‘mike Tyson’? Sure, you can say talent, training, strategy, power of feelings or whatever but deep-down, you’ll cry ‘that’s BS’ won’t you?

Also, in the last arc surrounding vermilion, I expected ikki and stella’s relationship to grew but they had very little to practically no romantic moments. Apart from their moment in the veranda before the big fight, I genuinely don’t remember any others.
Everyone they fought in the Seven Stars Sword Art Tournament is professional level. Even if they're high-schoolers. Yui is a trained assassin. There's no way she isn't a professional.

Those high schoolers they were facing could make most professionals wet their pants.
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Old 2019-01-10, 16:00   Link #13922
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I've read what was translated so far, and it seems we now have the entire Vol 9 if one cobbles stuff from multiple blogs.

While I love this silly thing, I have to say that this would probably work better if they WEREN'T high schoolers, simply because they explode in power waaay too early in life. In fact it makes me wonder WTF do they even teach them in that school? Just regular subjects?

Also I feel the whole bit that Ikki can kinda negate and return the power of the blows to be a bit BS considering that it's supposed to be a pure body tehnique. And he certainly shouldn't be able to just absorb the impact of someone as Panzer Grizly. The same goes about his little boss rush before the match. Facing them ALL without the use of his trump card was a bit much. Allthough I don't know how his fight with Ouma went, I still would find it BS if he managed to beat him without the speed upgrade from power usage.
Sure they needed to show that he was superior to other, but the whole thing felt forced.

Also while parts of the final fight were nice, some were also BS too. Like the constant use of this new thing Madoka, just so Stella doesn't turn him into paste each time they exchange blows. And Ikki continuing to fight even though his chest was pulverised...before he broke through. Stella I can understand recovering from serious injury, but he shouldn't be able to. He would have no lungs to breathe with.

So yeah. While I enjoyed other fights very much, I feel like the quality slipped a bit in the last one in order for Ikki not to be burned to a ashes or paste in the last one.
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Old 2019-01-10, 16:11   Link #13923
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I've read what was translated so far, and it seems we now have the entire Vol 9 if one cobbles stuff from multiple blogs.

While I love this silly thing, I have to say that this would probably work better if they WEREN'T high schoolers, simply because they explode in power waaay too early in life. In fact it makes me wonder WTF do they even teach them in that school? Just regular subjects?

Also I feel the whole bit that Ikki can kinda negate and return the power of the blows to be a bit BS considering that it's supposed to be a pure body tehnique. And he certainly shouldn't be able to just absorb the impact of someone as Panzer Grizly. The same goes about his little boss rush before the match. Facing them ALL without the use of his trump card was a bit much. Allthough I don't know how his fight with Ouma went, I still would find it BS if he managed to beat him without the speed upgrade from power usage.
Sure they needed to show that he was superior to other, but the whole thing felt forced.

Also while parts of the final fight were nice, some were also BS too. Like the constant use of this new thing Madoka, just so Stella doesn't turn him into paste each time they exchange blows. And Ikki continuing to fight even though his chest was pulverised...before he broke through. Stella I can understand recovering from serious injury, but he shouldn't be able to. He would have no lungs to breathe with.

So yeah. While I enjoyed other fights very much, I feel like the quality slipped a bit in the last one in order for Ikki not to be burned to a ashes or paste in the last one.
Yeah there's really a lot of bending and twisting with Ikki when he fights. The biggest crime in my view was Ikki's match against Byakuya. It's not about Ikki defeating Byakuya in less than a second but rather the fact that somehow Ikki knew Byakuya would defeat him in 23 moves. I understand that Ikki is very intelligent but it made no sense for him to know that.

Well that's most battle school series. It shows them learning nothing and just saying they're simply powerful. You start wondering if they're so strong why are they even in school? I guess that it's to have them compete against other powerful Blazers but still shouldn't the League consider that Blazers that OP still in school is just wasting their talents? But for the sake of them being teenagers and having to be in school. But they're way beyond learning how to be mage-knights.
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Old 2019-01-10, 18:02   Link #13924
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Eh. I didn't mind that one. In fact I kinda thought it a bit BS that Ikki can't defeat him regularly. But if it was truly impossible I'm willing to give it to Ikki that he would know, given that this would be a skill tangential to his in general "soft" power toolset. They have allready shown plenty of times that Ikki tends to plan far ahead. That being the case, I'd not have had Ikki outright use the same terminology, given that the move thing seemed more Teleporter's thing given that he seemed somewhat a turn based game player.

And yeah, I know. This is a series targeted probably mostly at HS kids, so of course protagonists need to be HS kids. But still it's a bit of a mistake if your first years are allready slugging nearly at the teacher level of firepower and ability by the end of the first tournament. Kinda robbs the upward potential. And once you introduce things like "breaking the limits" pretty much any kinda balance is thrown out of the window. And I more enjoyed previous matches where the key was to determine the flaw in smeone's fighting style and like. And not just go, oh yeah I can now reflect whatever because I'm so perfect (BTW this needs incredible precision but whatever).
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Old 2019-01-11, 09:50   Link #13925
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Eh. I didn't mind that one. In fact I kinda thought it a bit BS that Ikki can't defeat him regularly. But if it was truly impossible I'm willing to give it to Ikki that he would know, given that this would be a skill tangential to his in general "soft" power toolset. They have allready shown plenty of times that Ikki tends to plan far ahead. That being the case, I'd not have had Ikki outright use the same terminology, given that the move thing seemed more Teleporter's thing given that he seemed somewhat a turn based game player.

And yeah, I know. This is a series targeted probably mostly at HS kids, so of course protagonists need to be HS kids. But still it's a bit of a mistake if your first years are allready slugging nearly at the teacher level of firepower and ability by the end of the first tournament. Kinda robbs the upward potential. And once you introduce things like "breaking the limits" pretty much any kinda balance is thrown out of the window. And I more enjoyed previous matches where the key was to determine the flaw in smeone's fighting style and like. And not just go, oh yeah I can now reflect whatever because I'm so perfect (BTW this needs incredible precision but whatever).
Well I guess they want to paint them as very exceptional. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Ouma was able to defeat Nene and Moroboshi was able to defeat Kurono. Ridiculous I know but Ikki isn't the only monster out of this current generation. Anyone that can even challenge Ikki in a physical sense is a monster.

Well I just felt that it was a cheap way to have him defeat Byakuya. Because in my view it made absolutely no sense for him to know that. I have no problem with the way he defeated Byakuya but rather Ikki knowing how many moves Byakuya would defeat him in. I was a bit disappointed that Byakuya wasn't shown off though. We have someone who largely uses his intelligence to defeat other Blazers and his technique far surpasses Ikki's Perfect Vision. I still don't understand how Ikki was able to accurately come to the conclusion that Byakuya was going to defeat him in 23 moves if he didn't use Ittou Shura or Ittou Rasetsu.
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Old 2019-01-11, 21:01   Link #13926
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Well I just felt that it was a cheap way to have him defeat Byakuya. Because in my view it made absolutely no sense for him to know that. I have no problem with the way he defeated Byakuya but rather Ikki knowing how many moves Byakuya would defeat him in. I was a bit disappointed that Byakuya wasn't shown off though. We have someone who largely uses his intelligence to defeat other Blazers and his technique far surpasses Ikki's Perfect Vision. I still don't understand how Ikki was able to accurately come to the conclusion that Byakuya was going to defeat him in 23 moves if he didn't use Ittou Shura or Ittou Rasetsu.
The same can be said about Byakuya since he also predicted the same thing. Btw, it's funny that people on 5ch calls him "Mr. 23 moves".
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Old 2019-01-11, 21:56   Link #13927
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The same goes about his little boss rush before the match. Facing them ALL without the use of his trump card was a bit much.
If he couldn't do that much, then there really was no point in him fighting Stella.

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Well that's most battle school series. It shows them learning nothing and just saying they're simply powerful. You start wondering if they're so strong why are they even in school?
To receive their Blazer qualifications and high school degree, of course.

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I guess that it's to have them compete against other powerful Blazers but still shouldn't the League consider that Blazers that OP still in school is just wasting their talents?
They can still be drafted to do actual work in the field.

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The same can be said about Byakuya since he also predicted the same thing. Btw, it's funny that people on 5ch calls him "Mr. 23 moves".
Better than OHKO-Man, I suppose
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Old 2019-01-12, 04:49   Link #13928
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If he couldn't do that much, then there really was no point in him fighting Stella.
Eh. I don't think so. At least to me, he was interesting since he was actually limited. He could go out and match a top ranker for a minute and HAD to actually outthink the enemy in order to get that one killing blow.

So him figuring out Ouma would have been fine. But him doing so without his main trick is less so. With him it was never supposed, IMO, to be about power levels. He can only work his trickset because he is smart. And so I'm fine with him being able to fight only a single B or A ranker per day. This was why the two matches in a day was rough.

IMO it would have been better if the Stella fight was much more one sided in her favor, and then he HAS to break through. This way it seemed he could match her which is a bit.... to me.
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Old 2019-01-12, 11:16   Link #13929
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Eh. I don't think so. At least to me, he was interesting since he was actually limited. He could go out and match a top ranker for a minute and HAD to actually outthink the enemy in order to get that one killing blow.

So him figuring out Ouma would have been fine. But him doing so without his main trick is less so. With him it was never supposed, IMO, to be about power levels. He can only work his trickset because he is smart. And so I'm fine with him being able to fight only a single B or A ranker per day. This was why the two matches in a day was rough.
But if Ikki could only match up to high ranking fighters for a minute, he would always be second-rate, no matter how skilled or clever he was. Not everyone is going to be like Touka and deliberately challenge him in close range, despite the disadvantage to them. That's exactly why the author came up with Ikki stealing Edelweiss's technique, so Ikki could become a first rate Blazer.

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IMO it would have been better if the Stella fight was much more one sided in her favor, and then he HAS to break through. This way it seemed he could match her which is a bit.... to me.
Considering how riduculously powerful Stella is, she would simply finish him off if that happened.
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Old 2019-01-12, 12:27   Link #13930
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Ok, statistics-wise, they might be on professional levels, but doesn’t change the fact that they’re still in high school; that they’re teenagers. It’s hard to believe that they can overwhelm adults. But then I remember that this is shounen and in the genre, things like ‘common sense’ and ‘logic’ went out the window from pretty much the first page...

I suppose I’m starting to outgrow shounen genre hey. But as said, their target audience are teenagers so the characters should be teenagers so they can relate. In a sense, it alienate adults (who uses logic and common sense)

Anyway, is there any news on when the next volume will be out?
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Old 2019-01-12, 22:05   Link #13931
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I think the part about Ikki being able to keep up with Stella was infact foreshadowing that he is already in the process of breaking through his "limit" and the "big moment" was merely the finale of this process.
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Old 2019-01-13, 05:26   Link #13932
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Eh. Not really. They explicitly state they kept pushing one another untill Ikki finally ran straight into the absolute, fate directed, ceiling on his ability.
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