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Second, if Israel launches a nuclear attack on Iran and succeeds (in terms of the casualties), while stopping an Iran nuke, it will make things difficult for Israel. Yes, it may have prevented the attack, but, the end result would tell differently. And, you can say peace goodbye forever in that region, and it will get a lot more harder for Israeli people to live in security, if that ever happens. I am guessing, they would assume the second scenario is a big factor Israel may decide many times before taking action, while Iran can use underhanded methods (like using al kaeda) to achieve success. That is why Israel would never want to give Iran the opportunity to have something like that ready for their use. There is no way you can say for sure, Iran wouldn't try something that crazy. |
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United States are the older and the best firend of Israel in the world. If US doesn't approve or condone an act made by Israel, be certain that it's because the mossad dropped by..... Last edited by Seifall; 2008-11-10 at 15:58. |
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2008-11-10, 15:38 | Link #24 | |
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Unlike Seifall, I have more faith in the abilities of the IAEA to monitor nuclear programs. They correctly concluded that Iraq had ended its nuclear program, and North Korea felt compelled to oust the IAEA from its facilities in 2002. The DPRK conducted its first domestic weapon test some four years later. (There's some speculation the DPRK jointly tested a weapon in Pakistan as early as 1998.) Perhaps they could have developed the weapons under the gaze of the IAEA's monitors and equipment; we'll never know. And, unlike some other posters, I have no doubt the Israelis are perfectly capable of taking matters into their own hands without consulting with Washington. The 1982 attack on Iraq's reactor does not appear to have been decided in concert with the United States; in fact, one observer credits growing divisions between Israel and the Reagan administration with encouraging Israel to go it alone. It appears that Israel recently mooted the question of attacking Iranian nuclear facilities; the Bush administration refused to support such a move.
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2008-11-10, 16:45 | Link #26 | |
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I do not question IAEA's ability to find plutonium or uranium which can be used for the civil like the military. I just find IAEA 's power other than what I just mentioned stricly non existent. From the interview you posted I just found this quote , pretty telling : Spoiler for CNN interview:
History has to be the judge in a certain degree ? So even if the IAEA knew Iraq was free of nuclear weapons, they couldn't do more than that ? Aren't they supposed to be an international organization that seeks to promote the peaceful use of nuclear energy and to inhibit its use for military purposes. Though established independently of the United Nations under its own international treaty (the IAEA Statute), the IAEA reports to both the General Assembly and the Security Council. ? History is going to be the judge ? The director of the IAEA who clearly claims there is no use ? The UN which like always just made a resolution . 2003 clearly discredited both UN and IAEA. El Baradei, Kofi Annan, they were labeled as vital man who were influential, look at what happenned in Iraq and Rwanda. This was a tragedy. |
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all that says is that the US does not want a world that is international and run with mutual consent of the leading nations. the US wants a US-controlled world, to the utmost extent possible. the whole rest of the US foreign policy easily follows from this. |
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Miniturization of the bomb can only be started after knowing how much material can be pressurized into a cake without going critical meaning you need past data or do it through try and error. The present scud type missle can not deliver two tonnes. An ill shielded bomb will light up like a shining star to a satellite searching for gamma ray radiation. |
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Also, I'd point out that it most certainly wouldn't end with a mushroom cloud over a US city.
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2008-11-10, 19:35 | Link #32 | |
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We could like, start with the whole the USA is the most hated nation in history and go from there. Point: Nanjing massacre riled up people a lot more than McDonalds-in-your-backyard did. So are countless other "local" atrocities. Another point: blind anti-Americanism (whereby everything American sucks, as your opinion seems to demonstrate here) is not the prevailing diplomatic stance of most, if not all, European states, no matter what the prevailing public opinion is. Oh, and yet another hint: much of the USA's hegemony in world politics is based on its economic strength and its system of alliances as well, not just some sort of singular, oppressive "force." The Marshall plan and NATO ensure a coalition of "Western/First World" states, for one, and the Bretton Woods Conference was a landmark economic conference that established the central role of the USA in international currency until Nixon abolished it and it certainly was not something done by having American soldiers pointing guns at the British Monarch or some such. And finally: mushroom clouds? Newsflash: the Cold War ended almost two decades ago. Nuclear proliferation is a touchy, complex affair, with many viewpoints to take on, but simplifications like this don't help out the debate. |
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If you consider the presumed fact that at one time Saudis were actually planning to destroy Kaaba, around the time they were showered with the British gold, you can see, those things do not matter a lot, when it comes to bigger gains. Islamic world is full of views like that.
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I thought Muhammad died in Medina.....kinda hard for him to die on the Arabian Peninsula and then ascend to heaven from a Jewish city....... The Dome of the Rock, being among a complex of buildings on the Temple Mount, (the other being the Al-Aqsa Mosque) is one of the holiest sites in Islam. Its significance stems from the religious beliefs regarding the rock at its heart. According to Islamic tradition, the rock is the spot from where Muhammad ascended to Heaven accompanied by the angel Gabriel. the Dome is in Jerusalem. Last edited by mg1942; 2008-11-10 at 20:31. |
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to quote one of the oldest and most experienced German journalists - Peter Scholl-Latour - when asked "When is the new Cold War coming?" at a political roundtable earlier this year he said "Coming? It's already here." Last edited by Mumitroll; 2008-11-10 at 20:34. |
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Whether the US is the most liked or disliked country depends on the period, but it's truly flattering, either way, that the entire world cares enough to boo the Iraqi invasion and cheer Obama's election.
Them's the kicks for being a superpower. Oh, and as for the most hated (as opposed to simply disliked) country in history, I'd think Nazi Germany would take the cake. You just don't get away with committing genocide against white people, no sir. |
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As for the Arab states, the problem there is they would have no means to eradicate Israel unless an Iranian strike took out a good chunk of the Israeli military. The surrounding arab states aren't exactly shining examples of military compotence. They failed to beat Israel with a unified attack before, and the balance of power has shifted in Israel's favor since then. Quote:
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Israel could have done more to erase those fears, after all that will make them feel unconstrained. But, maybe US has more part in that compared to Israel. US's plans for the region actually prevented that to be developing, friendly relationship, that is. If US wouldn't have supported dictatorship regimes at the region, for a very long time, the ordinary people in that region wouldn't have to feel locking his mind to the outside world (that is still going on). US was afraid losing the unconditional support of those countries in the region, but, if they were a true friend of Israel, they would have done much better. So that brings me to my final point, are they really friends? Or, is there some bigger plan that is going on behind many secret doors, that has allowed Israel to accept the ongoing state within the middle east. We will see how Obama will handle the situation. |
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