2011-08-15, 03:25 | Link #3441 |
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So what's the "Before" version of it? BMC? Or OC(Old Calendar)/AC(Ancient Calendar)?
Different career dreams. Fate wants to fight crime, of which the Enforcers are the best (or most famous, at least). While good combat skills are necessary, equally important are investigation skills. Nanoha wants to be the best air mage, which in the TSAB belongs to the Air Instructors. Air mages are focused less on investigating stuff and more on establishing and maintaining air superiority AKA blow shit up.
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2011-08-15, 03:27 | Link #3442 | |
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Why is Hayate's rank higher than Nanoha and Fate?
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2011-08-15, 03:34 | Link #3443 |
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Hayate's mostly useless in one-on-one combat, and felt her skills are better used in the chain of command, thus she's actively trying to increase her rank. Nanoha's comfortable with her rank and position as an instructor, and Fate doesn't seem to *have* an actual rank, being an Enforcer, but most agree that the Enforcer status is about even with the rank of Captain.
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2011-08-15, 10:31 | Link #3444 | |
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Genya explains in StrikerS that higher-ranked mages get promoted faster in the armed forces hierarchy. Hayate is SS-ranked (thanks to inheriting Reinforce's Linker Core), while Nanoha is "merely" S+ (and even she has to refuse promotion, see StrikerS epilogue). Fate doesn't have any rank: she is an Enforcer, a more-or-less civilian position, albeit one with enormous authority--in fact, it's probably higher than Armed Forces Captain but Hayate wanted Fate in the field, so that's what her "courtesy rank" was. On a side note, by Force, Hayate is the "Naval Investigation Cammander" (海上警備部捜査司令と) on the Mid. Given the Bureau's preference for euphemisms when it comes to armed forces (Genya's Battalion 108 is an "investigative unit", for instance), that probably means she has command over the entire (wet) navy of Mid-Childa, which pretty much places her among the Admirals... The Japanese wiki claims she is still Lt.Col., however, but I don't recall that being stated anywhere in the manga.
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thanks for the answers so far ^^
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2011-08-15, 13:36 | Link #3448 |
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In the sense that it's not military, that is, armed forces. Enforcers don't fit into the regular chain of command and report directly to the head office. Basically, they are like Spectres in the ME universe - half-superspies, half-black ops.
Nanoha is a bona fide Captain of the Aerial Tactical Instructor Corps, which is part of the TSAB Armed Forces. When Fate was loaned by the main office to the Ground Forces, part of which was the Riot Force 6, she was given a courtesy rank of Captain, equal to Nanoha. When RF6 disbanded, she went right back to the Enforcers. You are confusing the mage rank with armed forces rank. Mage rank is an estimate of the mage's magical potential; armed forces rank indicates the position of the individual within the hierarchy and the amount of authority s/he wields in the armed forces. Fate is a very powerful mage and, as an Enforcer, holds very high authority in legal matters. She has no direct authority over the armed ground forces, so when she was loaned to RF6, she was given the courtesy (temporary) rank to simplify the matters and specify her place in the chain of command.
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2011-08-15, 18:53 | Link #3451 |
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And yet she is referred as Instructor on duty in ATIC, not as Captain. I think both Enforcer and Tactical Instructor are cases where position supersedes rank - just for Enforcers it supersedes rank in such variety of things that they don't use it normally. So Fate most likely IS captain, just being Enforcer is much more important.
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2011-08-15, 19:09 | Link #3452 | |
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thank you for the answer
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2011-08-15, 21:20 | Link #3453 | |
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Besides, that Enforcers are also expected to go into combat means they're considered "combatants", depriving them of any "civilian" status . Question: Do the Bureau has any other shipyard beside the one inside the death trap TSAB Headquarters?
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2011-08-16, 00:47 | Link #3454 |
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None that we've seen so far AFAIK. Maybe above some advanced worlds like Vaizen, but there were none above Mid-Childa in StrikerS (otherwise they wouldn't have to recall Chrono's fleet to counter the Cradle), so I wouldn't make any bets...
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2011-08-16, 10:16 | Link #3456 |
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Where it came from that bit about Signum being "proficient with breaking binds" on the wikia?
I know she breaks Fate's binds on Vita but aside of that i didn't se her do that again, also seems to a be a pretty inconsistent power since she was easily binded by the Lieze Twins near the end of A's.
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