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Old 2017-02-05, 00:57   Link #2941
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Is the guy who Goku fought at the opening is just a placeholder character for the opening scenes or a legitimate a powerful character that he deserved a spot for the opening scene?
1/3 of the OP is Goku fighting with him, so yeah, is important + he is the hooded guy in the trailers
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Old 2017-02-05, 01:01   Link #2942
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Goku dude, what the fuck is wrong with you?

This would can bring the plot point of "Goku is innocent to the point of be extremely dangerous" maybe?

OP is fucking awesome!
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Old 2017-02-05, 01:13   Link #2943
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Reading Blueknight78's reply, I actually wish that Vegeta lectures Goku.

Now that I think about it, i feel Goku was making excuses to Vegeta like, "I couldn't stay with pregnant Chichi at that time because I was dead saving the world because Gohan screwed up not killing Cell right away".
Vegeta refusing to train, even in front of Whis for Bulma and the baby is really amazing.
Even though Whis said the same thing to Vegeta as Goku like, "It is not you are pregnant".

Goku left Vegeta with parting words like "Don't regret if I get stronger than you".
Of course there is no way to defend this.
The more I can't think of Goku as a person anymore.
Im kind of convinced now.

Anyway, the question is will Goku still be the same after this?
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Old 2017-02-05, 01:25   Link #2944
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Reading Blueknight78's reply, I actually wish that Vegeta lectures Goku.

Now that I think about it, i feel Goku was making excuses to Vegeta like, "I couldn't stay with pregnant Chichi at that time because I was dead saving the world because Gohan screwed up not killing Cell right away".
Vegeta refusing to train, even in front of Whis for Bulma and the baby is really amazing.
Even though Whis said the same thing to Vegeta as Goku like, "It is not you are pregnant".

Goku left Vegeta with parting words like "Don't regret if I get stronger than you".
Of course there is no way to defend this.
The more I can't think of Goku as a person anymore.
Im kind of convinced now.

Anyway, the question is will Goku still be the same after this?
yeah that part of goky trying to convince "vegita" to leave bulma behind was really screwed and annoying, to angered me a lot too, that was goku being really a big dick/jerk like who cares she was pregant?? just come with me, what sort of friend could say that to you specially since he is more friend of bulma than vegita, he was supposed to be the one to encorage vegita to stay with bulma, since while he not was present during goten birts he was present on gohan, and it's really don't touched him???? his father side???, that was something really angering me on DB Super how goku is being portraited as a "jerk" just because he is "too innocent" for a like 30?40?50+ year old guy which already lived enough with many peoples had childrens to still acting like a "clueless person" which lived alone for like 2 to 3 years at best(when his grandfather son gohan died), if you think about the time he was alone with the time he had wth others peoples is noway to him stay "innocent like that" even after reading the manga featuring goku sayan parents(father and mother) make even hard to understand goku personality, he really don't look like coming from them "personality side". that rock which "hit goku" read when he was a baby must had really did a big damage on his braind and not just making him "forget" must some "real damaged happened here" which limited goku way of reasoning.
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Old 2017-02-05, 02:29   Link #2945
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I really hope Goku learns from this arc; that his desire for fighting is literally ripping the lives of possibly octillion people.
For now, lets hope that red alien really beats it into him
ALSO THE OPENING IS SICK!!!!
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Old 2017-02-05, 02:46   Link #2946
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Vegeta is definitely the best husbando and father in this series. For those who still doubt it, this episode sealed it for you.

I was rather happy when Vegeta was happy and willingly to accompany Bulma for this time to made up for what he did to Bulma's first pregnancy. This guy actually for once, putting his pride as a saiyan warrior away for his family. Wish that Goku could at least respect Vegeta for this instead of trying to "sabotage".

Just imagine that you are a random alien who is living peaceful with your family in your universe suddenly received a news that your universe will be destroyed if your universe fighters lost the match all because of one guy from other universe is bored.
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Old 2017-02-05, 03:29   Link #2947
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So the purpose of Goku getting a scratch from a gun bullet thug fired.
Is it really because Goku's body is getting rusty, and not just because of letting his guard down?
The writers's intentions that motivates Goku wanting to train for that reason, what is it mean?

The two Zenohs breaking planets in the beginning of the episode, are those planets real?
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Old 2017-02-05, 06:47   Link #2948
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I never read the manga before, only watch the anime. Has Goku always been like this in the manga?
I am really starting to hate him. the Goku from the start of dragon ball to dragon ball z are completely different.

How is this guy even a hero anymore, think about it you can right his story and just make him a villain.
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Old 2017-02-05, 07:09   Link #2949
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I never read the manga before, only watch the anime. Has Goku always been like this in the manga?
I am really starting to hate him. the Goku from the start of dragon ball to dragon ball z are completely different.

How is this guy even a hero anymore, think about it you can right his story and just make him a villain.
No he's always been like this in the anime as well it's just dubs (doesn't matter which language) tend to turn Goku into a Superman-like super hero, which he is not.
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Old 2017-02-05, 08:24   Link #2950
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I know it's been hinted before but this episode really makes it more obvious that Goten is maturing. He doesn't talk like an infant anymore and he's looking more and more like kid Goku. Have we officially reached Teen Goten?

The fact 18 is in the opening and decked out in training sweats makes me hopeful that she's finally going to be kicking some ass in this arc. Hopefully it's not Piccolo that gets stuck with babysitting duty, but then again that's just the kind of stunt DBS would pull on the poor guy.

Also Bulma's kid is going to be the seventh Saiyan on Earth, and there are seven Dragon Balls... coincidence? Hmmm
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Old 2017-02-05, 08:41   Link #2951
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Lol, it's hard to defend Goku now. I mean, even though he was dead when Goten was born, he could have just his friends to revive him with the Namek Dragon Balls. Instead, he went to train for about seven years if I'm correct. And now, the new tournament? ._. But I'll shut up about Goku for now.

Instead Vegeta doesn't care about that and he is behaving more like Gohan. Also, I must say Dragon Ball Super's characterization of Vegeta is a lot better than the one from the original series considering he is more mature.
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Old 2017-02-05, 09:13   Link #2952
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No he's always been like this in the anime as well it's just dubs (doesn't matter which language) tend to turn Goku into a Superman-like super hero, which he is not.
Does changing the way and dialog on how Goku talks really make such a difference for his character?
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Old 2017-02-05, 09:38   Link #2953
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Hoping this arc will be good. I have to admit, the new OP song is pretty dope. There's some characters there I'm pretty curious of especially the one that Goku kept fighting on from the beginning.
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Old 2017-02-05, 10:25   Link #2954
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Well done, Goku. By not listening to Beerus' advice, you are going to cause the destruction of 11 universes. It really might have been for the best for Beerus to destroy him. While he doesn't have bad intentions, Goku is way too dangerous.

Got to love how much of a good guy Vegeta has become. Hope we'll get some scenes with him and baby Bra.
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Old 2017-02-05, 10:36   Link #2955
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No he's always been like this in the anime as well it's just dubs (doesn't matter which language) tend to turn Goku into a Superman-like super hero, which he is not.
actually, no goku not aways was like that, in "drago ball" when goku was a kid he not was this "muscle brain guy" he was a kid which only fight to protect his friends and defeat evil guys this needs to fight strong guy only started when goku grow like in the sayan arc when vegita appeared after he defeated piccolo, when goku was a kid he was different from the current goku, which after grow just started to change to the muscle brain guy and get worst over time.
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Old 2017-02-05, 11:51   Link #2956
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remember the original ending of the dragonball manga
dude abandons his family to train someone in exile
Goku has no sense of responsibilities
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Old 2017-02-05, 12:10   Link #2957
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remember the original ending of the dragonball manga
dude abandons his family to train someone in exile
Goku has no sense of responsibilities
you are talking about the buu arc when goku goes to traing with ubu, after they beat the "kid bu"?
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Old 2017-02-05, 13:15   Link #2958
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you are talking about the buu arc when goku goes to traing with ubu, after they beat the "kid bu"?
Yes, that.

He just flies off after saying he's going to raise and train Uub on some tropical island
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Old 2017-02-05, 13:46   Link #2959
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Isn't it only 4 years away from end of Z? If Bra still isn't born, I dare say that's already been retconned.
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Old 2017-02-05, 13:47   Link #2960
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Yes, that.

He just flies off after saying he's going to raise and train Uub on some tropical island
chronologically speaking Super take places before that, it's like this not happened yet, super is some years before uub appear and few years after they defeat kid bu and the new "satan tournament happen.
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