2010-06-29, 13:27 | Link #12062 |
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Well... If you were caught with Kinzo's corpse and let off without a word, and then the guy who let you off is seen with a spear-shaped object, while all the people who died and weren't supposed to have suspicious holes in their skulls...
I guess you would have some very good grounds.
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2010-06-29, 13:28 | Link #12063 | |
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Authors often make their main characters based on themselves. I can attest to this. So perhaps Ryukishi07 made the culprit a Dragoon. |
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2010-06-29, 13:29 | Link #12064 | ||
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Poking an eye out with it is no problem though.
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2010-06-29, 13:35 | Link #12065 |
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You know, it is still possible that Kinzo is still alive. In episode 5, Ronove made the blue truth that said something along the lines that corpse doesn't have to refer to a dead body, and after that Battler still uses 'Kinzo's corpse' in red and gold truth. We do not actually know what golden truth is. Shkanon would allow another person to be on the island. Kinzo starts all games dead. In episode 6, we're pretty much told that personalities can die and in episode 4 he was going around under the persona of Goldsmith. Lastly, I believe in the beginning of episode 5 Battler asked, is he really dead? and the witch with him responded Grandfather is already dead at this point. Grandfather could mean Battler's maternal side's grandfather.
Just my two cents because I am bored. I just can't decide whether Ryukishi is trying to use reverse psychology or if he really wants us to believe Kinzo does not effect any game. Also, on the subject of spears. Didn't some of the backgrounds of the mansion have some suits of armor in them? Couldn't one of the spears have come from those? |
2010-06-29, 13:41 | Link #12067 | |
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Also IIRC Ryukishi said he originally planned to reveal Kinzo was dead at the start in EP5, but he ended up doing it in EP4.
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2010-06-29, 13:42 | Link #12068 | |
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Lol, I don't actually think he is a culprit. But I see a bunch of yes-nos coming from Ryukishi. I just like how saying Kinzo is alive provokes people to respond.
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A. Battler steps off of the boat upon arrival to the island and trips right over Kinzo's dead body. or B. At the end of episode 8, Kinzo is never proven to be alive during any point of the game. |
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2010-06-29, 13:48 | Link #12069 | |
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"Yep." "Sounds like father." "I wouldn't put it past him." "I think my ankle broke." "Shut up, Battler."
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2010-06-29, 13:57 | Link #12073 |
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Does that work in Japanese, though? In English you'd use a possessive which can be ambiguously constructed to mean "the corpse of the individual x" and "the corpse belonging to individual x, which may or may not be x's own body." I don't know for certain if Japanese does the same.
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2010-06-29, 13:58 | Link #12074 | |
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What makes this theory dirty is that there is not enough red to counter it since i'm sure Ryuksihi didn't expect us to need that much to know he's dead.
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2010-06-29, 14:05 | Link #12075 | |
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In fact, we're very lucky Umineko is a written text rather than a spoken one, because once we get to the homophones, you can get horrible things like "Teikoku Kagekidan" which can be written to mean "Imperial Floral Defense Group" (a relatively normal sounding name for a special forces division) and an "Imperial Theatrical Troupe". Japanese is very rich in perfect puns like these. EDIT: As a side note, in Russian it works the same as in English, so you have a complete equivalent to the ambiguity of "Kinzo's body".
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2010-06-29, 14:14 | Link #12076 | |
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I believe I mentioned when I posted it, if Ryukishi wanted Kinzo to be a sure dead person then why would he leave holes in the red truths? I'm sure he could have had Battler use different wording in episode 5. Don't worry though, Kinzo is not a culprit. Playing dirty would be if those red and gold truths were actual puns to say that Kinzo owned a corpse. I would literally be rolling on the floor if that were true. Not even just a person sitting down typing ROFL, it would be true. I mean, you can blame it all on my roots. I showed up in boots and ruined your black-tie affair. On a similar note, I've Got Friends in Low Places is now officially Kinzo's theme song. |
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2010-06-29, 14:25 | Link #12077 | |
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It would, however, seriously mangle Battler's gold, because it actually says just that, "...kinzou no shitai dearuto hoshou suru".
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2010-06-29, 14:28 | Link #12078 | |
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I just love how every inch of my logic is just using crap that was meant to prove Kinzo is really dead. I need to do this at a busier time to get more fish on the hook. |
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