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DC20 · 2010-02-06, 19:13

Don't tell me she's not? Well, that sounds like a challenge

This might go slightly off topic from the language idea, but I can never resist discussing character interpretations for ANY unit, let alone my favorite.

First off, I CAN'T tell you she's not trying to attract men period for two reasons - 1) Character interpretation differs from person to person (and with as much room as VC gives for the minor characters, they can differ wildly and STILL all be correct), and 2) She's an 18/19 year old straight woman. However, I CAN make an argument as to the source of her use of the language and the extent to which she's attempting to attract men (as you said it was her focus).

First point: Potentials. Obviously she's going to be into men as an 18 year old woman - however, I would argue the extent of that and say that that's no more a motive for her than any other woman in the Squad (except two...). She doesn't have the "Fancy's Men" potential. Her buddy Cherry does (along with Freesia). In fact, knowing Ramona, I'd say her obsession with beauty doesn't stem from a desire to attract the opposite sex - it stems from narcissism, which I would consider an even greater personality flaw. Her looks give her status (regardless of the sex she's getting it from), and she's letting that get to her head.

Second point: When she uses the lines. It's very possible that the VC world's equivalent to French could be taught in their schools, however, I would argue that the times she uses the language indicate that the language wasn't a skill she acquired later in life. She only uses the French line when she's critically wounded - a very dire situation. Generally in such situations, people fall back to what they know or are used to. It is likely that if her French was a front or something she used because of its "romantic language" status she would use the lines in situations in which there was little risk of death. Her regular potentials. However, when she's injured it's likely that her front would be the first thing to fade, and she'd revert back to what she's most comfortable with.

Then again, that's just one of many possible interpretations, and I'm not saying yours is wrong ("This one's sealed with a kiss!" seems to point towards what you've said). There are many ways to interpret the characters, and I'm just trying to point out that you CAN in fact argue against her having a focus on trying to attract men

Still, your point stands that French of course could be taught, and that it is one of the few confirmed languages in the game (and the only one that's explicitly confirmed).

Woopzilla · 2010-02-06, 19:25

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Originally Posted by kyosak

Would you guys recommend buying this game even if I already watched the anime series?

Keep in mind I thought the whole story was pretty mediocre from what I got out of the anime.

The game is great and I'm glad I played it before the anime was even out. Plus japanese voices... awesome! I wish more companies would include the japanese voicetracks.

I tried watching the anime and just couldn't stand how they portrayed Welkin. He went from being a guy with slightly strange habits to quite an airhead.

They might have redeemed him later on but I didn't watch that much. He'll seem like a new character to you when playing.

Plus Alicia loses her fairly annoying tsundere personality. Pure and sweet like she should be. You'll note that Selvaria will be missing the breast augmentation she seemed to have had for the anime.

Though they're still big.

RedShocktrooper · 2010-02-06, 20:04

Since I don't know Japanese, and I consider that Hisao Oguchi or Hajime Satomi might not know English (though it's not an impossiblity), and since I intend to send letters to both Electronic Arts, Inc. and Sega Corporation, I would like to know if anyone would be willing to translate an American Teenager's letter to two of the biggest names in the gaming industry.

---

DC, you make exlent points - and now that I think about it, Ramona only uses French when in dire situations, indicating it is her Mother Tongue (similar to how, if I was shot and dying, I don't think I'd mutter in German.) The image of beauty could have also lead me to make assumptions, and we both know what happens when one assumes...

kyosak · 2010-02-06, 22:17

Alright well thanks for the responses guys.

I ended up getting the game for ~$25 (game+tax+shipping). Hopefully having watched the anime won't take away from my experience too much.

SoggySoyBean · 2010-02-07, 00:35

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Originally Posted by kyosak

Alright well thanks for the responses guys.

I ended up getting the game for ~$25 (game+tax+shipping). Hopefully having watched the anime won't take away from my experience too much.

*clap*clap*clap* Let us know how it goes

and what, light trucks with machine guns are everywhere

Ambit hasn't mounted the right gun ontop though >.> its still an M1919

oh well, at least it's still in service

RedShocktrooper · 2010-02-14, 14:10

I've been considering moving the mod from RA2 to Tiberian Sun, which is actually free now. This allows more people to play the mod (if I ever actually set to work on it - I don't even have an Edelweiss voxel!), and also allows me to scratch-build the Soviets. On the downside, it's more like classic C&C gameplay - though, I was hoping to emulate the RA1 soviets more closely than the RA2 or 3 ones.

Woopzilla · 2010-02-14, 19:11

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Originally Posted by RedShocktrooper

I've been considering moving the mod from RA2 to Tiberian Sun, which is actually free now. This allows more people to play the mod (if I ever actually set to work on it - I don't even have an Edelweiss voxel!), and also allows me to scratch-build the Soviets. On the downside, it's more like classic C&C gameplay - though, I was hoping to emulate the RA1 soviets more closely than the RA2 or 3 ones.

Whoa, didn't know that about Tiberian Sun. My copy of Tib Sub went missing over the years so I was stuck with a useless Firestorm disc on its own.

I would've thought a mod for RA2 would be better though. One reason is that it's simply more colourful and 'cheerful' in comparison to Tib Sun's design and feel.

RedShocktrooper · 2010-02-14, 23:41

Well, TS is free as of recent, so lost disks are no excuse. XD

Using RA2 also encourages my laziness, in that I'd recycle assets from the RA2 Soviets for them - which backfires my intention for them to be the RA1 Soviets. TS is also slower paced - the gloomy art style of TS can be replaced with a cheerier VC style, plus RA1-style snow. It would be a total conversion.

grylsyjaeger · 2010-02-20, 06:17

New DLC next week. FiretrUCK yeah.

http://blogs.sega.com/usa/2010/02/19...ing-next-week/

JagdPanther · 2010-02-20, 10:01

Ugh. Another thing to play and buy over Spring Break.

It's either the VC DLC or FF XIII...

Firefly00 · 2010-02-20, 12:57

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Originally Posted by fallschirmjager

New DLC next week...

Good to hear... though it's sad to see so many posts there which make me wonder if their creators want some cheese with that whine. As well as whether people have become incapable of enjoying an accomplishement for its own sake. To be fair, there are a couple of nice rebuttals mixed in.

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Originally Posted by JagdPanther

Ugh. Another thing to play and buy over Spring Break.

It's either the VC DLC or FF XIII...

I'm tempted to answer 'VC DLC, no contest'. Of course, if you have a sufficient quantity of dead presidents on hand, the question becomes moot.

Seqi · 2010-02-20, 14:24

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Originally Posted by JagdPanther

Ugh. Another thing to play and buy over Spring Break.

It's either the VC DLC or FF XIII...

FF13 isn't that good. If you don't mind dragging a game on for 25 hours before it gets good, at least. VC DLC wont take all week i wouldnt think.

Also im so happy Sega is still catering to VC fans. I've said it before and i'll say it again, it's just awesome to see them giving love to the game.

Runty · 2010-02-25, 15:34

The new DLC is out, featuring 6 new missions for the members of the Edy Detachment. In particular, I'm keenly interested in Marina's scenario. From what I hear, it epitomizes stealth combat and precision; mess up once and you're dead.

If anyone here gets this, please put up a video playthrough on Youtube.

spawnofthejudge · 2010-02-25, 16:05

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Originally Posted by Runty

If anyone here gets this, please put up a video playthrough on Youtube.

Are you not going to get it? You should really play it yourself, rather than watch someone else do it.

(Yes, I will get it [this evening]. No, I won't upload a playthrough anytime soon)

Runty · 2010-02-25, 16:44

I don't own a PS3, regrettably.

Seqi · 2010-02-25, 16:48

The DLC isnt out yet. Im following the blog posts. Also there is no English dub, so its either quiet or Jap voices, which is kinda slack. Makes you think if they'll even bother localizing future VC DLC.

spawnofthejudge · 2010-02-25, 16:53

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Originally Posted by Seqi

The DLC isnt out yet. Im following the blog posts. Also there is no English dub, so its either quiet or Jap voices, which is kinda slack. Makes you think if they'll even bother localizing future VC DLC.

That's a bad sign. Maybe they couldn't get one or more of the VAs back?

Seqi · 2010-02-25, 16:55

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Originally Posted by spawnofthejudge

That's a bad sign. Maybe they couldn't get one or more of the VAs back?

Which is worrying as VC2 has the Edy Detachment in it anyway.

RedShocktrooper · 2010-02-25, 17:00

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Originally Posted by Seqi

Which is worrying as VC2 has the Edy Detachment in it anyway.

There might be some voice recycling going on - at minimum they either have Edy's VA or someone highly similar to her coming on - though, then again, VC2 takes place two years later, her voice could have changed.

Seqi · 2010-02-25, 17:02

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Originally Posted by RedShocktrooper

There might be some voice recycling going on - at minimum they either have Edy's VA or someone highly similar to her coming on - though, then again, VC2 takes place two years later, her voice could have changed.

Well that's slack. I was looking forward to some Marina voice acting. I liked hers, and it was never used for more than 2 minutes.
I hope they dont pull a cheap move like that though.

2010-02-06, 20:04	Link #903
RedShocktrooper Charge Me! Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: I'm not gone! I'm where you either use a slingshot or a gun! Age: 30	Since I don't know Japanese, and I consider that Hisao Oguchi or Hajime Satomi might not know English (though it's not an impossiblity), and since I intend to send letters to both Electronic Arts, Inc. and Sega Corporation, I would like to know if anyone would be willing to translate an American Teenager's letter to two of the biggest names in the gaming industry. --- DC, you make exlent points - and now that I think about it, Ramona only uses French when in dire situations, indicating it is her Mother Tongue (similar to how, if I was shot and dying, I don't think I'd mutter in German.) The image of beauty could have also lead me to make assumptions, and we both know what happens when one assumes... __________________ Steam Quote of Win: (In response to a very cracky pairing) It's more plausible than Alicia/Heavy, at least.

2010-02-14, 14:10	Link #906
RedShocktrooper Charge Me! Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: I'm not gone! I'm where you either use a slingshot or a gun! Age: 30	I've been considering moving the mod from RA2 to Tiberian Sun, which is actually free now. This allows more people to play the mod (if I ever actually set to work on it - I don't even have an Edelweiss voxel!), and also allows me to scratch-build the Soviets. On the downside, it's more like classic C&C gameplay - though, I was hoping to emulate the RA1 soviets more closely than the RA2 or 3 ones. __________________ Steam Quote of Win: (In response to a very cracky pairing) It's more plausible than Alicia/Heavy, at least.

2010-02-14, 23:41	Link #908
RedShocktrooper Charge Me! Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: I'm not gone! I'm where you either use a slingshot or a gun! Age: 30	Well, TS is free as of recent, so lost disks are no excuse. XD Using RA2 also encourages my laziness, in that I'd recycle assets from the RA2 Soviets for them - which backfires my intention for them to be the RA1 Soviets. TS is also slower paced - the gloomy art style of TS can be replaced with a cheerier VC style, plus RA1-style snow. It would be a total conversion. __________________ Steam Quote of Win: (In response to a very cracky pairing) It's more plausible than Alicia/Heavy, at least.

2010-02-20, 06:17	Link #909
grylsyjaeger Onani Master Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: The girl's bathroom Age: 34	New DLC next week. FiretrUCK yeah. http://blogs.sega.com/usa/2010/02/19...ing-next-week/ __________________ "It doesn't mean much, we never had a chance."

2010-02-20, 10:01	Link #910
JagdPanther WE ARE.... PENN STATE.... Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Nazareth, PA Age: 36	Ugh. Another thing to play and buy over Spring Break. It's either the VC DLC or FF XIII... __________________ A good plan violently executed today is better than a perfect plan executed at some indefinite point in the future. –General George S. Patton, Jr. Avatar v. 37.0: Fighter Squadron 31. The VF-31 "Tomcatters."

2010-02-06, 19:13	Link #901
DC20 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009	Don't tell me she's not? Well, that sounds like a challenge This might go slightly off topic from the language idea, but I can never resist discussing character interpretations for ANY unit, let alone my favorite. First off, I CAN'T tell you she's not trying to attract men period for two reasons - 1) Character interpretation differs from person to person (and with as much room as VC gives for the minor characters, they can differ wildly and STILL all be correct), and 2) She's an 18/19 year old straight woman. However, I CAN make an argument as to the source of her use of the language and the extent to which she's attempting to attract men (as you said it was her focus). First point: Potentials. Obviously she's going to be into men as an 18 year old woman - however, I would argue the extent of that and say that that's no more a motive for her than any other woman in the Squad (except two...). She doesn't have the "Fancy's Men" potential. Her buddy Cherry does (along with Freesia). In fact, knowing Ramona, I'd say her obsession with beauty doesn't stem from a desire to attract the opposite sex - it stems from narcissism, which I would consider an even greater personality flaw. Her looks give her status (regardless of the sex she's getting it from), and she's letting that get to her head. Second point: When she uses the lines. It's very possible that the VC world's equivalent to French could be taught in their schools, however, I would argue that the times she uses the language indicate that the language wasn't a skill she acquired later in life. She only uses the French line when she's critically wounded - a very dire situation. Generally in such situations, people fall back to what they know or are used to. It is likely that if her French was a front or something she used because of its "romantic language" status she would use the lines in situations in which there was little risk of death. Her regular potentials. However, when she's injured it's likely that her front would be the first thing to fade, and she'd revert back to what she's most comfortable with. Then again, that's just one of many possible interpretations, and I'm not saying yours is wrong ("This one's sealed with a kiss!" seems to point towards what you've said). There are many ways to interpret the characters, and I'm just trying to point out that you CAN in fact argue against her having a focus on trying to attract men Still, your point stands that French of course could be taught, and that it is one of the few confirmed languages in the game (and the only one that's explicitly confirmed).

2010-02-06, 22:17	Link #904
kyosak poo Join Date: May 2008 Location: California Age: 34	Alright well thanks for the responses guys. I ended up getting the game for ~$25 (game+tax+shipping). Hopefully having watched the anime won't take away from my experience too much.

2010-02-25, 15:34	Link #913
Runty Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008	The new DLC is out, featuring 6 new missions for the members of the Edy Detachment. In particular, I'm keenly interested in Marina's scenario. From what I hear, it epitomizes stealth combat and precision; mess up once and you're dead. If anyone here gets this, please put up a video playthrough on Youtube.

2010-02-25, 16:44	Link #915
Runty Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008	I don't own a PS3, regrettably.

2010-02-25, 16:48	Link #916
Seqi Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2010	The DLC isnt out yet. Im following the blog posts. Also there is no English dub, so its either quiet or Jap voices, which is kinda slack. Makes you think if they'll even bother localizing future VC DLC.