2010-05-31, 11:12 | Link #7501 |
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its mostly true ledgem, except one thing
the six day war happened in 1967, while israel was formed in 1948 there WAS a war in 1948, in which the arab states around it tried to destroy israel, but it was not the Six day war
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2010-05-31, 11:31 | Link #7502 | |
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But you know, those "monkeys" are learning the lessons of History, and are using the methods which were proven by the very founders of Israel: namely terrorism, international lobbying and posing as victims. All of those were of great importance in the creation of Israel (look into the history of the British Mandate on Palestine), so why not them becoming the equally glorious foundations of a Palestinian State? And yes, the clock is ticking, for the sustainability of the current situation is far from guaranteed. A blooming desert? Well yes, if you neglect the fact that in this area everybody is fighting over water, which is why Israel occupied the Golan for so long, that the Dead Sea is receding, with the Jordan River being used at the utmost, and that Gaza no longer has freshwater in it's wells, since inland excessive pumping has lead to the coastal water tables becoming salty. And so tells us comparative history, at least if we consider natural the outcome of two much older settlements, which tried to establish their own separate highly civilized states on a cultural (and ethnic basis), but more or less failed, namely Rhodesia and South Africa. As long as the Right of the Stronger is on their side, good for them, but ultimately, what awaits them is either mingling, being absorbed, leaving or getting crushed, for they won't be able to live forever behind their great wall, ignoring their immediate neighbors while commercing with the rest of the world.
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WHY ? WHY do you think that ? when has there EVER been a time when israel's military power, population size, economy, industry and trade connections been greater ? was israel's existence more certain in 1948 ? 1967 ? people have been saying israel is temporery for decades, and its only gotten stronger while its neighbors grew weaker hell, it just got into the OECD this month why do people keep thinking that its a temporary state ? Quote:
THIS SO MUCH
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I would also say, that even with America's messed up history, we still have done far more good in our brief 230+ year existence to the world, than any other nation in history. We're not perfect. No nation is perfect, and if they're even as young as ours, there is going to be bad parts in their/our past. We've even had a bloody civil war not too long ago over the direction of our own country. If the Middle East TRULY wanted peace, they could have it. But they do not wish peace. The rulers in Iran, Syria and others incite violence so that they can remain in power. Women have very few rights in the ME. Often times they are stoned to death for just being seen in public with a man who is not their husband/father. They are monkeys, and history proves to me that they are. There is nothing civilized about them. Even if Israel did not exist, there would be no peace in that part of the world. And Palestine would not be even a fraction of it's neighbors. |
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Besides, on that bolded point, demographics show that it IS indeed bigger. The GDP (Purchasing Power per Parity - meaning the ability to BUY things) per capita (per head), is $28k, and that is almost 5k more than Saudi Arabia ($23k), while Syria is $4k, Egypt is $6k, and Iran is $11k. So each Israeli is a whole lot more richer than any of its ME counterparts. Sure it is per capita, but it shows that the Israelis are more capable of feeding themselves WITHOUT OIL as compared to their ME counterparts. The reason why Israel grows stronger is to maintain competitiveness on a global economic scale as they don't have much natural resources to export, which can be used to barter for subsistence they don't have like grain. Their Arab rivals, on the other hand, rely on oil to feed themselves, thus it creates a "grudge mentality" towards mother nature and they do not innovate on the primary resource : people. Don't worry if you don't understand this : it is macroeconomics, and bloody confusing subject to study.
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And anyway, neither side is substantially ready to "move on", as those with might on their side keep munching the others remaining territory. Quote:
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1. Malay is the national langauge. 2. English is the First Language taught in school, and primary language used as landmark indicators. Ethnic names of places and things are in small print, and every subject is taught in English, other than second language subjects. 3. Anyone who complains about it (using bumiputera, Malay originated soil, etc as excuses) get a free coffee session with the Internal Security Department. Severe cases will result in free meals and lodging within Whitley Road Detention Centre for indefinite periods of time. Now who says the usage of force doesn't solve problems? And that is why I said both sides in the Mideast conflict are made up of stupid hardliners with egos to upkeep. Why can't they play nice for once?
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2010-05-31, 12:28 | Link #7509 |
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Another one straight from the activists' own camera footage.
Stabbity fun! It's a bit iffy looking, can't quite tell if there's a knife there, though the downward stabbing like motion gives that impression.
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2010-05-31, 12:36 | Link #7510 | |
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and the sad part is ... no one would care.
@SH remember how you said a sec ago about Quote:
your enemies exploit it, AND world public opinion supports them despite of facts
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2010-05-31, 12:44 | Link #7511 | |
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I could do them a favour by cutting my wrist and acting emo over that situation, but that wasted 10 seconds of my life making deep and painful enough cuts on my wrist. Besides, I can show footage of innocent lives around the house being unharmed. What can those terrorists do? In the eyes of the world, they are just camping in there using people as human shields. If that doesn't work, then too bad. At least I saved the lives of the innocent, and that allows me to sleep better at night than the recognition the world gives me.
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OK. So does the lack of a written language justify invasion from a foreign power and the destruction of a culture? Is the only worthwhile culture one with a written language? So I guess slavery of Africans were justified? What of the Mayans? They had a written language. Yet that did not stop the Spanish from taking over. So I suppose, by your standards, this makes the USA better than Mexico, right? Things were not rosy and sweet in Europe either. How is this even relevant to the discussion at hand? Last edited by Upscaled; 2010-05-31 at 13:01. |
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My point still stands - you can't ask Israel to get up and leave, because at this point too many people are living there and too much is entrenched there. The kindergarten fairness solution would be to have Israel give back everything, but then that's not fair to the Israelis and the people who rely on Israel for things. The "ideal" solution would be for both groups of people to mesh and share, but now there's too much resentment and mistrust. Quote:
Granted, it's understandable that the Arabic populations would feel slighted by that. It's not just a city name, after all, it has a religious/cultural importance. Still, in terms of unification you need to have a standardized name. I somehow get the feeling that they wouldn't feel any better if the city were named something totally different, that had no significance in Jewish or Muslim faith, either. I'm also not claiming that Israel is in love with its Arabic population, and that they don't discriminate against them. But realistically speaking, they're not forcefully moving them out as you seem to be implying that they're trying to do.
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During the age of exploration, the Natives are still practicing it and their leaders still encourage it. See the difference? Quote:
Besides, written language shows the ability to think and describe in shorter and simplified forms for the culture, rather than copying the looks of everything. Since written language are usually constructed for readability (written line by line, horizontal or vertical), it shows the lessening of chaos for shared knowledge within the society itself. Constructive ways of showing information shows how the society is getting to be more concise. Quote:
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2010-05-31, 13:10 | Link #7517 |
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This may or may not be true. I don't think that it's ever come up before - the Palestinians were always fixated on getting Israel back as their land. If they ever opened up to the international community and said "we'd like to establish our own land elsewhere to put an end to this conflict" I'm not sure what would happen.
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2010-05-31, 13:14 | Link #7519 | |
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Imma looking forward to the U.N. response to this epic dual beatdown. Looks like the idiot turks came out losers. Should be comical as always. Jihadis gonna be pissed. EDIT: In a predictable turn of events. The dhimmis that make up the UN security council to hold an emergency meeting on this epic confrontation. http://www1.voanews.com/english/news...-95257909.html Last edited by Hage-bai; 2010-05-31 at 13:44. |
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2010-05-31, 13:17 | Link #7520 | |
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move the people out of gaza and concentrate them all in the west bank (an area about 20 times the size of gaza) have an exchange of territory between them and israel over the amount of land lost from gaza (which would be come part of israel) and unify the west bank into jordan (which is already majority palestinians anyway) so long as the palestinians remain split between two landmasses with israeli territory cutting them off , its never going to work all that well anyway
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