(L+CR) Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon Crystal

[JagdPanther]

Originally Posted by Sakuya

Spoiler for Embarrassing & Cheesy:

I honestly had no qualms about the Inners and the Shitennou being couples and was fully prepared when watching this episode. But the way they did it was quite cheesy. Okay, I get that you were all lovers once, but no, you don't have to say it out loud. It would've been more tastefully done with a few hints here and there instead of:

Oh, I remember you, we were all once lovers. Oh no, we all cannot attack you now because we loved you. Oh no, let's all get hit by their attacks at the same time!

Yeah, the way they executed on this part of the story was just plain awful. That all happened in a span of seconds.

[HeartlessEponine]

Another wait for all of us. Can't wait for December.

Even until this day, I still wonder why TOEI still make SMC bi-weekly. But aww well.

Still trying to get used to the Shittenou x Senshi canon pairs as well. I am in-between of loving or hating it.

[JagdPanther]

Originally Posted by HeartlessEponine

Still trying to get used to the Shittenou x Senshi canon pairs as well. I am in-between of loving or hating it.

No in-between for me. Definitely do not like it, especially how it was executed. I get the idea. It's "neat" and 'ships everyone in season one. But it's "too" neat.

I am not against the senshi having love interests; in fact I don't like the exchange in the manga between two of the inners that basically forecloses them from ever having love interests. But this is just kinda ridiculous. I'd rather see them develop interests individually, even if you only ever get glimpses of the interests since the main story is really Usagi/Mamoru.

[Underworld]

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Damn already 25% dpwn since the first realise. I hope Toei has luck in merchendise

[orion]

Originally Posted by Underworld

New sales


Damn already 25% dpwn since the first realise. I hope Toei has luck in merchendise

This title is streamed. They're making money off it. Those sets aren't meant for mass consumption so they won't sell a lot of them.

[HeartlessEponine]

Originally Posted by JagdPanther

I get the idea. It's "neat" and 'ships everyone in season one. But it's "too" neat.

Yeah true that is why I am completely neutral about it. (Regardless of how many official art Takeuchi made for them)

the exchange in the manga between two of the inners that basically forecloses them from ever having love interests.

I would like to admit that is one of the things that got me glued into the series when I was a kid. Back then, I really find it cute that they were all super close with each other that I they don't need boys to revolve their entire lives in. When I got to read the SM manga, I did notice the subtext between the inners

Spoiler for especially between:

Rei and Minako

it was almost to the point that it was between subtle or overboard canon.

But it's good that in the manga, the only relation that was really focused in almost 3/4 of the time is Mamoru and Usagi.

Spoiler for but guh...:

When it comes to that sort of connection between Seiya and Usagi, I can't further comment on that anymore.

[orion]

Well, it's unrealistic for teens not to eventually have significant others especially with Usagi getting a boyfriend. The "Inner Senshi can't have boyfriends" sounds like otaku pandering to me.

[Pablete]

Add too that the weird editor Naoko had, the way she portrayed him made me think of him as an otaku.

[kuromitsu]

Originally Posted by orion

Well, it's unrealistic for teens not to eventually have significant others especially with Usagi getting a boyfriend. The "Inner Senshi can't have boyfriends" sounds like otaku pandering to me.

No, it's not that. It's that all of them get a "boyfriend" at the same time, and they all happen to be the guys who they used to have feelings for way back in their previous lives, blah blah blah.... basically, no. It's just contrived, and the way it's executed is about as graceful and elegant as a rhino with a sledgehammer. Maybe if there were more episodes to flesh out the past lives and past relationships. But this? It's incredibly awkward. (Especially since we know that they're not even staying together.)

[orion]

Originally Posted by kuromitsu

No, it's not that. It's that all of them get a "boyfriend" at the same time, and they all happen to be the guys who they used to have feelings for way back in their previous lives, blah blah blah.... basically, no. It's just contrived, and the way it's executed is about as graceful and elegant as a rhino with a sledgehammer. Maybe if there were more episodes to flesh out the past lives and past relationships. But this? It's incredibly awkward. (Especially since we know that they're not even staying together.)

The boys were cute, convenient and available. Every time Usagi came down, the girls got to see their boyfriends without much effort. I can believe it happening.

[JagdPanther]

Originally Posted by orion

Well, it's unrealistic for teens not to eventually have significant others especially with Usagi getting a boyfriend. The "Inner Senshi can't have boyfriends" sounds like otaku pandering to me.

That's an interesting way of putting it. I can see what you mean.

I always preferred to think that they would eventually have love interests or that something hinted at in an episode/chapter would become more long-term.

[Zoe]

Originally Posted by kuromitsu

No, it's not that. It's that all of them get a "boyfriend" at the same time, and they all happen to be the guys who they used to have feelings for way back in their previous lives, blah blah blah.... basically, no. It's just contrived, and the way it's executed is about as graceful and elegant as a rhino with a sledgehammer. Maybe if there were more episodes to flesh out the past lives and past relationships. But this? It's incredibly awkward. (Especially since we know that they're not even staying together.)

The way I see it, it's premature to criticize them for putting everyone in a relationship. Nobody is in a relationship at this point. Their relationships were in the past. The senshi are different people now. We have no idea if Crystal is even going to keep the generals alive, much less have everyone pick up where things left off.

Nobody criticizes the Serenity and Endymion relationship when we have absolutely zero idea how they got together and how it played out.

Criticize the relationships for being undeveloped/undeserved when they actually happen.

[Pablete]

↑
This.

Isn't happening but showing their past but the single thought of them getting paired scares/disturbs them like otaku do when their waifu gets paired with a male coughKannagicough.

[kuromitsu]

Originally Posted by Pablete

↑
This.

Isn't happening but showing their past but the single thought of them getting paired scares/disturbs them like otaku do when their waifu gets paired with a male coughKannagicough.

Oh come on. Seriously? Anyone who criticizes this particular plot development is a creepy otaku now? (What if I told you that I'm not a guy and even if I was the type to be "scared/disturbed" of female characters getting male partners, which I'm not, I'm not nearly invested enough in this show or the characters for that?)

I'm criticizing the plot development, the idea behind it, and the execution of it so far. To me it's flawed and nothing the story does could make it better (short of the girls actually getting together and staying together with the guys in this life, but we all know it's not going to happen).

Originally Posted by Zoe

Nobody criticizes the Serenity and Endymion relationship when we have absolutely zero idea how they got together and how it played out.

Then again, if I started criticizing the Mamoru/Usagi relationship (that is the direct result of the Serenity/Endymion relationship) I'd be here all day, so....

[orion]

Originally Posted by kuromitsu

I'm criticizing the plot development, the idea behind it, and the execution of it so far. To me it's flawed and nothing the story does could make it better (short of the girls actually getting together and staying together with the guys in this life, but we all know it's not going to happen).

How do you know? Those guys surviving could be the plot twist that makes this version different from the original animation. They could survive but with memory loss.

[Faerie]

No one criticised the development of Serenity/Endymion? Since when? I know I have. And I've seen plenty of others do it.

Criticising a badly presented/handled/written plot development makes you a creepy, insecure otaku and male?

Really? Seriously? I don't even...


The problem isn't them falling for someone, the problem is the execution and how convenient it is. For example... it would make more sense that... say... Venus had a thing for Kunzite, but so did, say, Mercury. It's not that Zoisite had a thing for Mercury, but she wasn't interested in a boyfriend at this point in her life. Or that Jupiter fell for a boy on earth who was, say, an ordinary citizen. People aren't breeding stock, they don't neatly get it on with exactly the guy they've been alloted.
Everyone conveniently fell for the available guy and they for them. And they all conveniently serve Endymion, while they serve Serenity. Neat! Practical! And completely unbelievable. There's just no way, except for miracle romance.


It's also the regressionary aspect. 20 years ago, girls were good friends and did their own thing without requiring a guy to consider themselves complete. Boys are nice, but friends and duty first.
Nowadays, girls need to be neatly paired up with the most "convenient and hot guy available" to be considered "realistic"? Ouch.
And this is anime only, but Kotono was anime only and they've kept her, so... yeah, I preferred the Kunzite/Zoisite pairing to 5xmiracle romance.

So yep... the handling of romance in this show feels like a step backwards to me.

[Konja9]

Well, in my opinion, the way the romance between Sailor and Shitenou was developed in Crystal is terrible. The whole situation was extremly forced.

I would haven't problem with the 5 Sailors get a boyfriend, I wouldn't even have problems with the romance between Sailors and Shitennous (though it is too convenient) if the romance had been managed in a better way and be less forced (which is impossible if they follow act by act to the manga).

[orion]

Originally Posted by Faerie

<snip>
The problem isn't them falling for someone, the problem is the execution and how convenient it is. For example... it would make more sense that... say... Venus had a thing for Kunzite, but so did, say, Mercury. It's not that Zoisite had a thing for Mercury, but she wasn't interested in a boyfriend at this point in her life. Or that Jupiter fell for a boy on earth who was, say, an ordinary citizen. People aren't breeding stock, they don't neatly get it on with exactly the guy they've been alloted.
Everyone conveniently fell for the available guy and they for them. And they all conveniently serve Endymion, while they serve Serenity. Neat! Practical! And completely unbelievable. There's just no way, except for miracle romance.
<snip>

I see nothing wrong with going with what's available. It's convenient. They see their bfs when Serenity goes to Earth to see her bf. Serenity has something more to talk about with the Inner Senshi. Shoujo stories have convenient pairings as well as convoluted triangles. Convenient pairings avoids all the drama and lets us get back to the story faster imo.

[Sageblink]

Originally Posted by orion

I see nothing wrong with going with what's available. It's convenient. They see their bfs when Serenity goes to Earth to see her bf. Serenity has something more to talk about with the Inner Senshi. Shoujo stories have convenient pairings as well as convoluted triangles. Convenient pairings avoids all the drama and lets us get back to the story faster imo.

Yeah, but let's say Mars was also into Kunzite...
He's not available so "moving on to the next one until it's a match" ?

[orion]

Originally Posted by Sageblink

Yeah, but let's say Mars was also into Kunzite...
He's not available so "moving on to the next one until it's a match" ?

Well they're all good looking guys so best to move on to who's available than causing problems within the team.