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bhl88 · 2012-07-30, 11:08

I hope she works better now

Justin_Brett · 2012-07-30, 11:08

I guess, but they were making the physical shields even before they even knew that attack existed. Seems like something they'd address right away with these opponents.

But that's a good point actually. Unless he's REALLY precise with that spell when he has to use it, it's going to make all his wingmen useless for a good while.

bhl88 · 2012-07-30, 11:10

Wonder if it will give her a mixed magic/physical attack (50% mana and 50% 'not-mana')

Akiyoshi · 2012-07-30, 11:12

To be fair, it will be the same with the Fortress Unit anyway. Divide Zero Eclipse not only shuts down all magic ...but ALL forms of energy xDU Be magic, eclipse or electricity (both ships systems failed and Subaru's bionics were greatly affected). So it doesn't matter really xD

I think Justin was talking about a unit that can produce "energy shields" by transforming magic into conventional energy just like the Strike Cannon and other equipements do (altough i want to know the specifics of the "Gladiator" that unit have lots of inconsistencies) which seems like a legit idea and will give the heroes back some of the lost flexibility they got with the new "shields" who are unpractical as hell compared with their previus defensive magic that allowed them to cast quick, light and highly maneuverable shields for all kinds of defense. Stripping the characters of their dynamic means of protection was a key part of the nerfing they suffered in FORCE. Specially for those who relied with certain frequency on said defensive magic like Nanoha or Signum.

About the joke, i may not be original but it was part of the intention as Hayate's AEC also lacks overal originality ...it's just Nanoha's equipement with more shields attached to it. Yeah, very original.

Rising Dragon · 2012-07-30, 11:14

Mass production models generally aren't original compared to one another. Get used to it and get over it.

Justin_Brett · 2012-07-30, 11:18

The formation those shields are in is similar to how the Strike Freedom had its Dragoons, actually. No-one ever called that thing original.

Akiyoshi · 2012-07-30, 11:20

In a series with a past full of cool, original, colourfull and individually tuned devices it's hard to see the heroes using all the same freaking gun xDU Sorry but that's pretty lame, that's another point against using the old cast in this story, if they wanted to write something like this a Gundam-like cast would be better suited than Nanoha and Co. xDU

Mass production models shoudn't be used by main characters xDU That's partially the reason i see 5th Gen Bardiche and Sword Breaker as the only worthy upgrades so far. No one else can use Sword Breaker cause it's designed to use a unique ability Subaru and only Subaru posses: her Oscillating Breaker.

In any case over 90% of the jokes in these days aren't original either so get used to it and get over it xD

Justin_Brett · 2012-07-30, 11:26

I don't think that's going to happen, Aki.

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Mass production models shoudn't be used by main characters

Yeah, nah.

Akiyoshi · 2012-07-30, 11:36

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Originally Posted by Justin_Brett

I don't think that's going to happen, Aki.

Yeh, me neither, i was just being innocently optimistical xDU

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Originally Posted by Justin_Brett

Yeah, nah.

Ok, i guess is should be more specific. Mass production models shouldn't be used by main characters unless they're in a Gundam show or as a temporary tool to get out or a particular situation (like Sousuke Sagara hijacking a Red Shirt mecha to escape an enemy basein Full Metal Panic). Mass production models are for mooks and red shirts and should be at least one stage below the heroe's weapons xDU

Justin_Brett · 2012-07-30, 11:41

The first listed pilot of that is the main character of that series.

Akiyoshi · 2012-07-30, 11:43

And i bet said pilot moved on quickly to better designs. That's also a common trope, a guy starts piloting common stuff until getting/stealing/falling on a much better model which will become it's stardard mecha from now on.

Part of me is still waiting for Nanoha to stumble upon a supreme weapon and start kicking butts for real. I was hoping for Signum too but the Wolks are too unimportant to get actual exclusive weapons xDU

Justin_Brett · 2012-07-30, 11:53

No, he just bolted more weapons onto it. Then it blew up and he got another one. And then that one blew up...

The only reason characters in Gundam have custom units is to sell models of them. You could tell a story about a bunch of guys in grunt robots and it could be just as good as a main entry. It just depends on the writing.

Akiyoshi · 2012-07-30, 11:58

Exactly, at least that guy started piloting common dirt mechas and goes on and on with it. Nanoha and Co. have a very different backstory, one that doesn't exactly combines well with this sort of stuff. If they wanted to do something like this ...why not new characters?

Justin_Brett · 2012-07-30, 12:00

Maybe they wanted to try something different. That's a thing, you know.

Akiyoshi · 2012-07-30, 12:38

I guess you're right on that part, sadly new =/= good most of the time xDU

This is the Gundam SEED Destiny of the Nanoha franchise xDU

At least Nanoha Innocent looks promising so far xD

Skane · 2012-07-30, 12:58

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Originally Posted by Justin_Brett

The formation those shields are in is similar to how the Strike Freedom had its Dragoons, actually. No-one ever called that thing original.

Actually I was thinking how it mirrors her six wings.

Cheers.

Koveras Alvane · 2012-07-30, 13:23

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Originally Posted by bhl88

Lol Hayate..... Whyyy?

Because Signum got her revenge already. Now it's payback time for Curren.

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Originally Posted by WarpObscura

Mistress of the night sky, do you have enough strike cannons?!

NEVER enough dakka!

Akiyoshi · 2012-07-30, 13:33

If Curren gets actually beaten by that piece of junk she'll lose her category as a powerfull Big Bad xDU

...Boss Mode Tohma must be her opponent xD

And i'm skeptical to call Signum's unsuccessfull capture attempt as "getting her revenge" xDU

LostSome · 2012-07-30, 14:29

Not Hayate too...
That`s all I have to say.

panzerfan · 2012-07-30, 14:39

I would think that the idea of highly unique weapons wouldn't fly in the more grimdark affair of Force. Seeing the elites geared up with the newly-minted cannons is shockingly logical of Tsuzuki.
(Granted, this is hard for me to take, being used to Tsuzukiverse tentacle raep transformations, beamspam that would leave you naked and animal people...)

If this trend of rational thinking continues, I wouldn't be surprised if ad-hoc retrofit with gears sent from friends living in that hick non-administered world 97 will pop up... kinetic weapon ban be damned.

2012-07-30, 11:08	Link #6401
bhl88 Otaku Apprentice Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Unseen Horizon	I hope she works better now __________________ OS-tan Collections (temporary): https://discord.gg/Hv2rBs3

2012-07-30, 11:10	Link #6403
bhl88 Otaku Apprentice Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Unseen Horizon	Wonder if it will give her a mixed magic/physical attack (50% mana and 50% 'not-mana') __________________ OS-tan Collections (temporary): https://discord.gg/Hv2rBs3

2012-07-30, 11:12	Link #6404
Akiyoshi The Flame Crussader Join Date: Aug 2009	To be fair, it will be the same with the Fortress Unit anyway. Divide Zero Eclipse not only shuts down all magic ...but ALL forms of energy xDU Be magic, eclipse or electricity (both ships systems failed and Subaru's bionics were greatly affected). So it doesn't matter really xD I think Justin was talking about a unit that can produce "energy shields" by transforming magic into conventional energy just like the Strike Cannon and other equipements do (altough i want to know the specifics of the "Gladiator" that unit have lots of inconsistencies) which seems like a legit idea and will give the heroes back some of the lost flexibility they got with the new "shields" who are unpractical as hell compared with their previus defensive magic that allowed them to cast quick, light and highly maneuverable shields for all kinds of defense. Stripping the characters of their dynamic means of protection was a key part of the nerfing they suffered in FORCE. Specially for those who relied with certain frequency on said defensive magic like Nanoha or Signum. About the joke, i may not be original but it was part of the intention as Hayate's AEC also lacks overal originality ...it's just Nanoha's equipement with more shields attached to it. Yeah, very original. __________________ May 29 2010-2019 ...9 years ago, the day after never would be the same ~The ASFB~

2012-07-30, 11:14	Link #6405
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	Mass production models generally aren't original compared to one another. Get used to it and get over it. __________________

2012-07-30, 11:20	Link #6407
Akiyoshi The Flame Crussader Join Date: Aug 2009	In a series with a past full of cool, original, colourfull and individually tuned devices it's hard to see the heroes using all the same freaking gun xDU Sorry but that's pretty lame, that's another point against using the old cast in this story, if they wanted to write something like this a Gundam-like cast would be better suited than Nanoha and Co. xDU Mass production models shoudn't be used by main characters xDU That's partially the reason i see 5th Gen Bardiche and Sword Breaker as the only worthy upgrades so far. No one else can use Sword Breaker cause it's designed to use a unique ability Subaru and only Subaru posses: her Oscillating Breaker. In any case over 90% of the jokes in these days aren't original either so get used to it and get over it xD __________________ May 29 2010-2019 ...9 years ago, the day after never would be the same ~The ASFB~

2012-07-30, 11:08	Link #6402
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	I guess, but they were making the physical shields even before they even knew that attack existed. Seems like something they'd address right away with these opponents. But that's a good point actually. Unless he's REALLY precise with that spell when he has to use it, it's going to make all his wingmen useless for a good while.

2012-07-30, 11:18	Link #6406
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	The formation those shields are in is similar to how the Strike Freedom had its Dragoons, actually. No-one ever called that thing original.

2012-07-30, 11:41	Link #6410
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	The first listed pilot of that is the main character of that series.

2012-07-30, 11:43	Link #6411
Akiyoshi The Flame Crussader Join Date: Aug 2009	And i bet said pilot moved on quickly to better designs. That's also a common trope, a guy starts piloting common stuff until getting/stealing/falling on a much better model which will become it's stardard mecha from now on. Part of me is still waiting for Nanoha to stumble upon a supreme weapon and start kicking butts for real. I was hoping for Signum too but the Wolks are too unimportant to get actual exclusive weapons xDU __________________ May 29 2010-2019 ...9 years ago, the day after never would be the same ~The ASFB~

2012-07-30, 11:53	Link #6412
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	No, he just bolted more weapons onto it. Then it blew up and he got another one. And then that one blew up... The only reason characters in Gundam have custom units is to sell models of them. You could tell a story about a bunch of guys in grunt robots and it could be just as good as a main entry. It just depends on the writing.

2012-07-30, 11:58	Link #6413
Akiyoshi The Flame Crussader Join Date: Aug 2009	Exactly, at least that guy started piloting common dirt mechas and goes on and on with it. Nanoha and Co. have a very different backstory, one that doesn't exactly combines well with this sort of stuff. If they wanted to do something like this ...why not new characters? __________________ May 29 2010-2019 ...9 years ago, the day after never would be the same ~The ASFB~

2012-07-30, 12:00	Link #6414
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	Maybe they wanted to try something different. That's a thing, you know.

2012-07-30, 12:38	Link #6415
Akiyoshi The Flame Crussader Join Date: Aug 2009	I guess you're right on that part, sadly new =/= good most of the time xDU This is the Gundam SEED Destiny of the Nanoha franchise xDU At least Nanoha Innocent looks promising so far xD __________________ May 29 2010-2019 ...9 years ago, the day after never would be the same ~The ASFB~

2012-07-30, 13:33	Link #6418
Akiyoshi The Flame Crussader Join Date: Aug 2009	If Curren gets actually beaten by that piece of junk she'll lose her category as a powerfull Big Bad xDU ...Boss Mode Tohma must be her opponent xD And i'm skeptical to call Signum's unsuccessfull capture attempt as "getting her revenge" xDU __________________ May 29 2010-2019 ...9 years ago, the day after never would be the same ~The ASFB~

2012-07-30, 14:29	Link #6419
LostSome Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Canada	Not Hayate too... That`s all I have to say. __________________ Nyohohohoho ! It`s the law of the universe that only wizards die as virgins. You can`t let yourself die as a virgin, right ? -Old geezer.

2012-07-30, 14:39	Link #6420
panzerfan Name means little... Graphic Designer Join Date: Dec 2004	I would think that the idea of highly unique weapons wouldn't fly in the more grimdark affair of Force. Seeing the elites geared up with the newly-minted cannons is shockingly logical of Tsuzuki. (Granted, this is hard for me to take, being used to Tsuzukiverse tentacle raep transformations, beamspam that would leave you naked and animal people...) If this trend of rational thinking continues, I wouldn't be surprised if ad-hoc retrofit with gears sent from friends living in that hick non-administered world 97 will pop up... kinetic weapon ban be damned. __________________ It would be enough for the depressing things in life to only exist in reality. It is because that I think the birth of a story... is from people dreaming of a happy ending. ~Misaka Shiori