To Aru Majutsu no Index LN - New Testament Volume 13 Discussion / Poll

[Loremaster]

I was speaking of their respective demographics rather then the world population in general. Either way I still think Saints and Level 5 should of been somewhat equal.

And also...

possible fanart spoiler?

Spoiler for Being Misaka is suffering:

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[LazyHunter]

Spoiler for Chapter 2 Parts 4-8:

The Akikawa Mie part was unexpected, I guess that will end up related to the plot somehow (or not, with Kamachi you never know). Shiage's part with Fremea was cute. Aneri watches over him even while he's out in the city. A bit stalkerish, but it ended up saving their lives.

Mikoto still doesn't grasp what the Hig Priest is. Touma should make it a bit more clear, but as he mentioned, she has a lot of confidence in her power since the only person she has fought that outmatched her really badly was Accel.

“Uho hoi☆ Missed me?”

That laugh .

Let's see how Fiama fares, though since this is still the second chapter I don't think things will go as expected.

[bakato]

Originally Posted by LazyHunter

Spoiler for Chapter 2 Parts 4-8:

The Akikawa Mie part was unexpected, I guess that will end up related to the plot somehow (or not, with Kamachi you never know). Shiage's part with Fremea was cute. Aneri watches over him even while he's out in the city. A bit stalkerish, but it ended up saving their lives.

Mikoto still doesn't grasp what the Hig Priest is. Touma should make it a bit more clear, but as he mentioned, she has a lot of confidence in her power since the only person she has fought that outmatched her really badly was Accel.
That laugh .

Let's see how Fiama fares, though since this is still the second chapter I don't think things will go as expected.

I thought those security guards in NT8 would play a role, but it turned out to be nothing. Although, I think it was Kamachi's way of foreshadowing future situations.

The High Priest grinned.

New shortest sentence ever.

[Marcus H.]

I was speaking of their respective demographics rather then the world population in general. Either way I still think Saints and Level 5 should of been somewhat equal.

Gemstones. Don't forget dem Gems.

[Mr.Kyon]

Originally Posted by Marcus H.

Gemstones. Don't forget dem Gems.

Gotta love that bling-bling.

[tsunade666]

Originally Posted by Loremaster

I always thought that the level fives should be on par or slightly better then the saints. Because one there is more saints and two they seemed to be on that equal level for both sides. But obviously that's up for debate until we see more level five vs Saint action.

Saints and level 5 are never in par in strength. Well except Accelerator and probably Kakine.

[Hiss13]

So I just realized something. Self-determination is a huge part of Thelema, iirc.

Since the Magic Gods infighting, and by extension magic, constantly shift or set the rails of fate, then by eliminating magic, does that not also eliminate fate/destiny itself or does that merely realign the rails of fate to its original starting point?

Originally Posted by tsunade666

Saints and level 5 are never in par in strength. Well except Accelerator and probably Kakine.

This.

Mikoto was barely keeping up with Brunhild in NT06. I'd say the only Level 5s who can beat a Saint at full power are Kakine and Accelerator.

[Loremaster]

I never said they was but they should be for a general balance of the field. Though we're talking about one of those level fives being Accelerator.

[tsunade666]

Originally Posted by Loremaster

I never said they was but they should be for a general balance of the field. Though we're talking about one of those level fives being Accelerator.

If its just balancing or representing from each side then probably, but there are 20 saints around the world and there are only 7 lvl 5.

If its balancing or representation from each side. I feel gem stone are more appropriate. There are 50 gemstones around the world.

[Loremaster]

For unknown reasons, members of the true Gremlin mentioned the Gemstones among the things they would have to deal with, alongside Kamijou Touma and Aleister Crowley

Hmm I forgot about that one. I guess they may not able to deal with them now at least as originally planned.

[DragonXX]

If the spoiler are true about Fiamma going to the hospital he is now on the same path of Touma and if Touma get any hospital to pick him up it would be Frog-Face Doctor hospital and if anyone can give Fiamma a new right hand that can use the power of the Holy Right without being destory which I think is the biggest problem of why Fiamma had not got a new right hand, if so even in this world of broking Magic God power he may be about to do something beside going to the hospital by a Magic God and he had show once again how smart he is because in a week he had find away to upgrade the Fairy Spell from a nerfing Magic God spell that failled into a Magic God Killing spell but I think it will failled because I think that the Fairy Spell is what Crowley use on them.

If Fiamma get back his full power through it would open up a chance that Accel will get his full power back too.

Also even for Mikoto her pride is too huge in this novel, she had a head the side of building that High Priest throw, I think what High Priest will say about Mikoto being a burden is something she badly need, seeing how she acting in this novel.

Also if we are talking about Gemstone, I have a thoery on what Gunha power is and that is the shonern hero power of always getting power-up when they need it most so everytime Gunha fight an enemy he get more powerful in that fight or when he loses a fight he will get a power-up to be about to fight that person again unless your Universe Wraping level Gunha will most likey be about to fight you as an equal next time you meet and it would be understanding about why the failled Magic God said he can be as powerful as him if he knew what is power was, this mean that he most likey had a pretty good idea about what Gunha power is and if it shonern hero power of always getting power-up when they need it most it would be pretty understandable why he could become as powerful as him.

[BladeMancer]

The high priest easily swats Misaka's most strongest attack, and she's saying that they can win in a direct confrontation?
Even Touma is frustrated at her ignorance
EDIT:

Spoiler for Touma's response:

Rereading chapter 2 part 4 to 8 again (I had a hard time understanding what happened in the chapter) Touma isn't actually frustrated. "That was an admirable thing for someone so full of self-confidence to admit" is actually Touma taking note of how someone like Misaka was able to admit that she had a chance to lose.

Damn it, from now on I'm reading every single sentence twice

[BladeMancer]

Originally Posted by Hiss13

So I just realized something. Self-determination is a huge part of Thelema, iirc.

Since the Magic Gods infighting, and by extension magic, constantly shift or set the rails of fate, then by eliminating magic, does that not also eliminate fate/destiny itself or does that merely realign the rails of fate to its original starting point?



This.

Mikoto was barely keeping up with Brunhild in NT06. I'd say the only Level 5s who can beat a Saint at full power are Kakine and Accelerator.

You forgot Gunha the 7th level 5. He could potentially overpower a saint in physical abilities alone and his max power could beat Ollerus (leagues above saint)

[Loremaster]

Mikoto is acting as ignorant as Accelerator was the moment he got hit by Touma for the first time. Disbelief more then ignorance and rightfully so when the only other person who wrecked her number one power was again Accelerator.

[Chosen_Hero]

You guys really have a skewed view on how that conversation went don't you?

Please point out where it says that Touma is frustrated, here:

Spoiler for From chapter 2 part 6:

“Misaka. If we do find an environment where we can fight without getting anyone else involved, do you really think we can beat that High Priest?”
“Of course! If he doesn’t use any cheap tricks, then I could-…!!”
“Misaka.”
He called her name again and she groaned behind him.
She then spoke as if confessing her guilt.
“I can’t know until I try. I will admit he isn’t someone I can optimistically say we have a 100% chance of beating.”
That was an admirable thing for someone so full of self-confidence to admit.

... I don't see it, also you seem to forget that last line, there is a big difference between being confident and being ignorant, heck Touma's whole thing is being confident that he can find different (never thought of) ways to end a situation in the best possible outcome against infinitely stronger enemies.

Please analyze a scene better next time.

[BladeMancer]

Originally Posted by Chosen_Hero

You guys really have a skewed view on how that conversation went don't you?

Yeah he wasn't frustrated. I fixed my comment in order to prevent spread of false info

[zaikoi]

Spoiler for Fanart illustration of the spoiler tag below:

Image of it

Spoiler for Spoiler for Index NT 13 chapter 1 Misaki vs Mikoto:

(Shokuhou Misaki put up a quite a fight.)
The memory of it brought a tingle to her spine. The game of paper sumo wrestling had truly come down to the wire. Yokozuna Shokuhou had hidden some cardboard in her origami figure and stuck some pieces of eraser on its feet to increase its weight, so Mikoto would have been helpless had she not used a metal clip to let her freely move her origami doll around via magnetism.
It might have seemed like those high-class ladies were playing dirty, but they had been fighting over a single prize.
(The rights to the area with that idiot’s high school.)

[Kuroageha]

We haven't got to that part yet, that comes far later.

[Marcus H.]

Even Touma is frustrated at her ignorance

Which he didn't even correct by not informing Mikoto about EVERYTHING.
He's trying to keep others from getting hurt, when he's already hurting others by not doing anything or keeping things to himself.

[Chosen_Hero]

Originally Posted by Hiss13

Rain or shine, day or night, I shall never falter in giving my reactions~

Spoiler for Reactions:

How moe~



Thou hast insulted the architect.



A bit of a tangent but this part was actually kinda cute.

Onwards to Part 5.



Hamazura as a hostage. Pfft.



Would this be Hamazura's first ever time seeing a Magic God? I think so.



Silly bike. Go back to Hoenn.



I'm not going to make the obvious comment here.



Well, even when he fought Othinus, he got everyone in the world involved if you look at it one way.



Misaka is not letting it get into her skull. That guy swatted aside your Railgun without any effort.



I'm imagining Mikoto on a zombie movie marathon.



FIAMMA!!



Fiamma has not fallen into obscurity~
Glad to see he's alright after the whole incident at Sargasso…

Now that I think about it, it would have been interesting to see a Touma vs Fiamma rematch in Denmark.



Another one sentence part.



I love this so much.



Fiamma's not useless~Yay~

Intense as usual. As a bit off the beaten path as Part 4 was, I actually quite enjoyed it and it would have made for a nice short story on its own.

Now that I've seen this Arrowhead Comet being mentioned multiple times, I can only wonder what role it will have seeing as Kamachi would not mention something like that without a reason.

Lastly, YAAAAY. It's nice to see Fiamma up and about again. Glad to see he has a role in the story again, even if it is only support.

Hamazura didn't see Touma, Mikoto or the High Priest, he was too focused on the message so much that he never realized what had happened in front of him.