(L) Fairy Tail Manga Discussion Thread

[haegar]

Originally Posted by Tempest35

And someone should really photoshop Erza/Clare and Azuma/Rigaldo soon. "Superb".

yeah it would seem people thought of that ... http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=732102

[cloak_and_dagger]

Originally Posted by haegar

yeah it would seem people thought of that ... http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=732102

I lol'd at the fact that there was even a discussion about which moment was more epic. As if FT, as much as I love it, could hold a candle to Claymore, much less that moment in question

[Tempest35]

OH wow, that's....funny. XD Awesome stuff that.

Come to think of it... this conclusion to the Erza/Azuma fight would have been the same/ had the same effect as if Miria had rallied and defeated Rigaldo on her own. Now if it had been Wendy Marvell who had defeated Azuma...0.0 "Superb" definitely comes to mind and we would have been gushing at how unbelievably awesome Wendy was.

[Kyero Fox]

Jeez...apparently anyone could have won against him, solong they day dreamed of everyone cheering ____ on. Obvious fight ended obviously.

[cloak_and_dagger]

my fav quote from the Haeger link was this:

So there were deaths in the Rigardo fight? Who gives a shit, that's what Clare gets for being a simpleton, if she'd simply believed in her Nakama properly she'd have won with an easy one-shot. Fairy Tail's handling of complex themes like the power of friendship is just one of the many things that seperate it from dross like Claymore!

Superb.

Jokes aside though, I really hated this chapter, and I friggin love Erza. I'm still trying to figure out where she pulled the hax strength from...

[haegar]

there is no reasonable explanation where she pulled that from, other than the bright golden light of nakamadom pushing her her onward, the bright light that must shine brightly and painfully somewhere in Mashima's brain. Maybe it is even BURNING in there ...smh

Well, can't be helped. Let's hope Levy doesn't oneshot Hades with a simmilar nakamaburst and all shall be well Erza did look great though. AAND it got us that coloring of all colorings

[tarachi]

I'm okay with the "tree is still helping FT members" if there are other signs pointing on it. Rather than the illusion/imagination of Erza's nakama giving her power.

[Kafriel]

the illusion/imagination of Erza's nakama giving her power.

Deluded Erza -> mad Erza -> yandere Erza -> WIN! I don't get all the claymore comparison. Even though I've never read/watched claymore, I highly doubt it is comparable to FT, of all things...it's like comparing Bleach to Berserk

[haegar]

Originally Posted by Kafriel

Even though I've never read/watched claymore, I highly doubt it is comparable to FT, of all things...it's like comparing Bleach to Berserk

Well it true of a sort, though if you mean to imply FT = Berserk & Claymore = Bleach thanyou better repent for your sins right away

anyways, recommend you read the Claymore manga before the anime.. Totally different from FT but it is rly great

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Kafriel

Deluded Erza -> mad Erza -> yandere Erza -> WIN! I don't get all the claymore comparison. Even though I've never read/watched claymore, I highly doubt it is comparable to FT, of all things...it's like comparing Bleach to Berserk

It's just the one scene where the heroine cuts down a more powerful enemy and all he has to say about it is "superb". (I'd have to see the raws, but it's quite possible they used the same word, and they were just translated differently)

[cloak_and_dagger]

Originally Posted by Kafriel

! I don't get all the claymore comparison.

Click Haeger's link, Azuma's future cuddly friendship with FT defeat by Erza was remarkably similar to the death of Rigaldo, a character of Claymore.

[Kafriel]

I checked it out, I just mean that the mood seems totally different. Fairy Tail is a naturally light and happy story, Claymore appears to be somewhat darker and perhaps unable to use the same themes.

[haegar]

Originally Posted by Kafriel

I checked it out, I just mean that the mood seems totally different. Fairy Tail is a naturally light and happy story, Claymore appears to be somewhat darker and perhaps unable to use the same themes.

hai. you should still read it though

I should add that it's great fun to follow up on the mangaka's artwork improving steadily... and also that it has niice, long arcs ... guud story tellin

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Kafriel

I checked it out, I just mean that the mood seems totally different. Fairy Tail is a naturally light and happy story, Claymore appears to be somewhat darker and perhaps unable to use the same themes.

Well, yeah. if FT's about friendship, guts, and victory, Claymore's about friendship, guilt, and survival (of some of the party...). So, hm, one out of three?

[Ryus]

Wow! You all where reading what amounted to mostly mine and Faither's debate about "superb" vs "splendid"

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Well, yeah. if FT's about friendship, guts, and victory, Claymore's about friendship, guilt, and survival (of some of the party...). So, hm, one out of three?

I would agree to this. However I'd like to add that Claymore balances survivors guilt and lone wolf approaches with teamwork and very wounded characters trying to open up but not knowing how to (they want a loving friendship but are scared to face it or fear it's lose to the point they don't act on it sometimes). Those that ignore teamwork and/or can't move past there own issues often, but not always, end up in a world of hurt though sometimes it makes for a true best friend for those whom open up a bit to another (and all those that happen are very emotionally rewarding to the reader when they happen). Though there have been hints that in some situations the characters may take a nakama approach to things down the road, but in a more realistic setting. There is a theme that I won't spell out that counters Nakama to some degree though... I'm still trying to figure out how the two will balance out after every chapter... or fail to, but it's clear they're going to have to make a choice soon of what they want to be and how to go about it.

Put another way, these are very wounded characters whom are slowly figuring it out that they need to work together in more than just battle but end up placing too much burden on there own shoulders since they don't want to lose anymore friends. Think of it like Erza in ToP arc where she does everything wrong but without Natsu there to emotionally support her, sometimes it works and other times there's consequences. Now unlike ToP the story telling is top notch in this department when FT was ok at best. How do I put that best... in one chapter 2 separate characters cried there eyes out in very different scenes for very different reasons and yet everyone loved the fact that they cried and raved about it... I didn't see or hear of a single person bitching about it. The story telling was that good.

One last thing I'll mention in the series you'll learn quite quickly that unlike other standard Shounens, Power corrupts in Claymore... think of it close to Ichigo losing control to his Vizard side but much darker, can set in far easier, can't be undone once control over power running wild is lost, and it effects every last character with powers. To counter this they work in teams sometimes against stronger opponents, but due to the power corrupts theme sometimes they might have to fight a fallen friend (hence part of the fear of opening up to anyone). Due to low numbers Claymores they often fight alone to take out as much weak enemies over a wide area as possible. Now I made this statement very ambiguous and slightly distorted things to not spoil anything. or did I?

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Spoiler for More details of Claymore... no spoilers:

Of note... In Claymore characters will dying, and with few exceptions you'll never think they have a plot shield. It's not a light manga but it's not an insanely heavy manga either. Claymore is mostly an all female cast which isn't "over sexied" often you won't notice the fanservice until the second read though, it's there but the plot overtakes it in many places (I'm one to quickly spot fanserivce but I must protest I've missed it many times in Claymore on my first read of a chapter). The series take on female warriors could almost be viewed as pro feminist without any pro female power speeches, girl stuff, or romance... (though like Fairy Tail there is a chance a romance or two might bloom down the road) they're warriors first and foremost whom just happen to be female and no one argues about it.

Haegar mentioned the art... in Claymore it started out rather bland but is 1000 fold better now. I almost gasped at the level of art work between ch 30 and 31 (it's on 115 now)... and it only got better from there. Very few shonen mangas have clearly better art that Claymore once it gets good.

Heads up IMHO the worst part of the story is ch 5 - 11 (chapters 1-4 are quite good for opening chapters), though starting on ch 12 maybe one of the series best arcs to make up for it. Most of the rest of the series is close to or at the level of the arc that starts on ch 12. So just don't judge the series on those chapters.

[Von Himmel]

Wasn't that nakama powers were actually comes from FT's member magic? Maybe their magic had some 'souls' in it and they're trying by themselves to reverse the magic so that it can empowers Erza.

[Tempest35]

Their magic is their life - in other words, it's a part of their entire being. It's why taking over someone's magic is met with a most of the time. Not one person in Fairy Tail wishes to harm one of their own - least of all, Erza. Even Natsu, who wants to defeat her, will put himself through hell n back for her, no questions asked and if you DID ask, he'll punch you out for slowing him down.

Since their magic is a part of themselves, in a way, it contains a 'will' of its own - this can 'explain' how Fairy Glitter got transferred to Cana even though the dude's dead.

[Kafriel]

To shift discussion a bit, I'll just randomly drop Fairy Tail as a potential name for the third and final FT broken spell. And I foresee Natsu using it

[cloak_and_dagger]

^ I agree that's plausible. Though I'd prefer Fairy Death or Fairy Storm(reference to Geese + Rock Howard )

[sayde]

Originally Posted by Kafriel

To shift discussion a bit, I'll just randomly drop Fairy Tail as a potential name for the third and final FT broken spell. And I foresee Natsu using it

I'm gonna take it a step further with Fairy Tail's Law of the Fire Dragon"!