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2011-09-22, 16:35 | Link #202 | ||
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I spent about 24 hours wanting Vita's head on a plate, i spent over two months thinking roy Mustang was an amoral murderer, and i spent almost TWO years thinking the Huckebein are a group of ruthless a-holes. I recovered really fast from Vita but it takes some time to re-arrange my toughts and feelings towards Colonel Mustang. Only god knows how much time i will need to digest the Huckebein's freudian excuse to accept them as good, misunderstood people ...or to re-accept Signum as a competent knight deserving a place among the elite.
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2011-09-22, 16:44 | Link #203 | |
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Examples? Yeah just go read more variety and you will find there are series that the development are slow and for a reason. First thought that comes to mind was 07 Ghost, Ares, and Saint Seiya. I remember there were others too but can't seem to remember them all since I have read so many over time. Lol about Vivid. I agree. I still don't think Force is that bad. Just a good simple question, besides the flaws that you think, are you still enjoying Force?
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2011-09-22, 16:47 | Link #204 | ||
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You can't magically force the plot to go faster short of increasing the page count (and there's a whole lot of other problems that come along with that idea) Oh sure, you could trim a few pages here and there, but plot happens at a pace for a reason. Now, all this has left me very curious on your stance, Aki. What would you have done differently in writing the story? |
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2011-09-22, 16:48 | Link #205 | |
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Perhaps when you finish reading a chapter, go find fanfics or something to let it off your mind and relax a bit?
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2011-09-22, 16:49 | Link #206 | |
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Weaknesses as in some sort of flaw you can exploit, that they can't get rid of? Or just something they're not completely perfect at? Villains not being heroes doesn't mean they don't follow the same rules as most characters in fiction. And no, I don't think this is an RPG; it's a story element that's come up a lot in fiction.
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And Sunder, really, I don't like Force either, but if you want gratuitous fanservice, that's ViVid's sin. |
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2011-09-22, 16:55 | Link #207 | |
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2011-09-22, 16:58 | Link #208 | ||
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Maybe it's because it's full of popular characters or the fact Tsuzuki wants to depict mor ethe conflict than the pàrticipants but all new characters had a very slow developement(Tohma just spent an entire year being a living McGuffin) and the old cast is used as punching bags for the Hucks. The weapons and the Eclipse virus are the only things with constant attention in Force at this point. I don't know, i think i enjoy certain parts(Tohma scaring the crap out of Fortis and Stella xD) but i can't enjoy the story as a whole, it's impossible to me with the out-of-place prescence of the old cast.
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2011-09-22, 17:02 | Link #210 | |
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So once again, this is just a giant ouroboros, the same discussion repeating itself again and again, while we try to fight the pattern until we're swallowed up.
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2011-09-22, 17:07 | Link #211 | |
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Still doesn't stop me from enjoying Force though. Agreed. Their counter is still a work in progress. A work in progress that might actually get some visible result now that they have Thoma. |
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2011-09-22, 17:12 | Link #213 | |
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The way I feel and think Tsuzuki is going for is that he was trying to simply introduce new characters, the problems, the encounters, and then character development. It's a bit different than what you normally see in other series so it does kind of come across as "odd" if that's the right word to describe it as it does also explain how the old cast seems somewhat out of place. He's trying something new (although this type of development... I'm sure I seen in other series but don't remember which one)? Let see how he goes on with the development now that the encounter between Section Six and the Hucks is over.
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2011-09-22, 17:17 | Link #214 | |
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What I do hope is that they do find a way to make the old cast fit back into the story right now (which at least to me from the most recent chapter starting to feel like) so that does make me feel happier and more satisfied than before. Edit: Just to add, that's one thing I love and enjoy about Vivid. The old cast and the new cast just blends it well together. You have the old cast that you know and love and you have the new cast that you are learning more about them and also love. Not only that, you also have old ex-enemies that you love haha.
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Ok, bad pun is bad xDU But magic isn't necessary just better skill at depicting scenes and distribute page-time i wonder why is this so difficult, Nanoha A's manga do it well, MOVIE 1st manga do it beautifully and even ViVid is better executed, it's not like Tsuzuki can't do it so, why he agreed in overstreching things so damn long? Where is the puspouse behind this? Quote:
In fact i would like to rewrote the fourth season entirely(i already wrote some crazy ideas about that on TV Tropes xD), erasing the Anti-Magic and replacing it with an order of Divine Warriors following the reincarnation of a Deity(their understanding of "true magic" being the reason they can trounce the more technologically dependant TSAB mages, pushing our heroes in finding a more complete understanding of the mystical origin of magic allowign themselves to reach a new stage of power).
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Besides, its the western fandom that does that hating, Force is doing quite well in Japan. Quote:
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Pobably tons and tons of space wasted on overly-strechet motions and bad battle-pacing, i just need to take MOVIE 1st manga or ViVid as good examples, that's why i'm confused, Force is fairly different from other Tsuzuki works that worked just fine, why he's altering his own formula?
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