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View Poll Results: Critique of Episode 19 | |||
10 out of 10 : Nearly Perfect... | 30 | 28.30% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent... | 37 | 34.91% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good... | 21 | 19.81% | |
7 out of 10 : Good... | 8 | 7.55% | |
6 out of 10 : Average... | 6 | 5.66% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average... | 1 | 0.94% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor... | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad... | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad... | 1 | 0.94% | |
1 out of 10 : Torturous... | 2 | 1.89% | |
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2013-01-08, 14:24 | Link #301 |
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Even if the setting is that of a game, the people who play it are still real people. If Kirito had gone through with Leafa's suggestion, she would have been hurt, even if it was her own idea.
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And again, try to see things from Kirito's perspective. He's been awake for 2 months already, and Asuna has been asleep the entire time. Her family is marrying her off because quite frankly, the implication is that she'll never wake up. There's no "hope" of someone beating the game to keep them going. No victory condition. Kirito breaks down, and Suguha tells him to stay strong and keep going. He gets a vague, blurry hope to cling to, and decides to check it out. From a realistic standpoint, the idea that Asuna is being held captive by Captain McRapeypants along with a bunch of other people for mind control research is quite frankly, completely ludicrous and unimaginable. If it wasn't a work of fiction, it's far more likely the only thing Kirito would find there is nothing. So why hurry? (And if you think this self doubt should've been shown more, well, you're probably right, but it's important to remember most of the ALO stuff is being told from Leafa's perspective, not Kirito's. We get to see him as "Mysterious Brooding Stranger with a dark secret" instead.) On that note Spoiler for Future EP spoilers:
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2013-01-08, 14:53 | Link #302 | ||||
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In reality, if someone very dear to you is under something akin to death threat, you don't wander around having fun, because your whole mind is occupied with this. It's just so obvious I'm, again, flaggerblasted that I have to actually point it, and that it doesn't spring to the face of anyone. I hardly know people who would merrily go party while their daughter is being kidnapped anyway, even if they can do nothing about it and have no hope. Quote:
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2013-01-08, 14:58 | Link #303 | |||
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"He isn't certain Asuna is here" is how we can rationalize his calm, and as such, aimed to find out. Now, if you want to argue his behaviors being illogical... Keep in mind he was a 14 y/o when he entered SAO, and spent 2 years in an environment that threw logic out the window 80% of the time... Logically speaking, Kirito should have PTSD... along with 90% of the survivors... .... great... now I want to ask the author why they don't have ptsd.... |
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2013-01-08, 16:34 | Link #306 | ||
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"Play a VRMMO that had a blurry photo of my wife" is less "I have to save her from the clutches of the evil villain!" and more "A slim, vague hope to hold on to as long as I can to distract from my powerlessness." Honestly ask yourself and think about it - if you cut out all the scenes from Asuna's perspective where we know that Asuna is awake and alive and getting molested, would you still think Kirito is dallying around too much? Asuna's plight is a lot more serious from the audiences perspective than it is from Kirito's. And we do see his brooding, there are at least a dozen shots of him with downcast eyes or a serious look on his face whenever the topic of the world tree comes up, and Leafa looking on in confusion, wondering what about it makes it so important to him. (Incidentally this discussion is highlighting how utterly silly the whole "play a new VRMMO to save my wife" plot is in the first place, but that's neither here nor there. ) Spoiler for Future EP spoilers:
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2013-01-08, 17:00 | Link #308 | |||||
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You realize you're actually saying : - It's really SERIOUS BUSINESS to be PKed in a game (if someone is actually that hurt by having his avatar killed in a game, it's hint that he's actually serious mental trouble). - Having a serie of hints about the situation of your wife who is under life-changing threat is a flimsy excuse to do something utterly trivial. I know over-rationnalization is a fan favourite past-time, but c'mon... This is going quite a bit into WTF territory. Quote:
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But it doesn't stretch the suspension of disbelief nearly as much as "well, my wife is going to be raped and taken away by a slimy monster, I guess I'll have some fun on the side playing". Quote:
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2013-01-08, 17:20 | Link #310 | ||
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Again. Lyfa is a person, not just some video game avatar. It's not the act of PKing her that's the problem, its saying "Hey, thanks for going out of your way to help me and all, but fuck you, I've found something better!" TBH if Kirito did something like that and Asuna found out she'd probably dump his ass in a heartbeat. But this is the same guy that Spoiler for I can't remember if this was brought up in the anime or not:
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2013-01-08, 18:19 | Link #311 | ||
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Trying to make it look more important than looking for information about your missing wife just cross the line of laughable into the territory of "completely insane". And finally trying to argue that someone would say "you saved me from being brainwashed, raped and maybe killed, but I'll kick your ass because you didn't stop to play around and that was mean for the girl who had a respawn penalty", just robs me of anything to say. I could maybe emote a blank stare. You seem to completely forget the entire notion of "priority" : "getting information about someone who is in danger" is higher priority than "playing with people in a game". I feel dumber that I even had to say it. Not being nice in a game because you have some actual REAL-LIFE URGENCY doesn't mean you don't consider the other a person. The fact that the idea can even touch your mind freaks me out, to be honest. What's next ? When a guy in a WoW raid must log out because his baby is crying, and the raid wipes or disband because they lack a healer, then the guy is a traitor ? Quote:
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2013-01-08, 18:36 | Link #312 |
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Kirito is a nice person who likes to help other people when they're in trouble.
Kirito is not a ruthless pragmatist who will use others and sacrifice them for his own personal gain. This all comes back to that age old argument of "Do the ends justify the means?" Maybe you think that the situation of "Vague chance his wife might be in the game" should take precedence over absolutely everything else, but Kirito as a character obviously prefers not to compromise his own moral code, or burden / hurt others with his own personal issues.
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2013-01-09, 15:10 | Link #313 |
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I guess if you consider you have to be a "ruthless pragmatist considering that the end justify the means" to have any sense of priority and to put real-life concerns above game trivialities, then we just have to admit we don't live in the same reality.
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2013-01-09, 15:25 | Link #314 |
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If at the end of the day, you think the story would've been better off if the hero cut down an sweet, innocent girl who's been nothing but kind to him just because it might give him some kind of advantage in the future, then I guess you're entitled to that opinion.
Why bother with ideals like trust and friendship? Just take the shortest path to victory, no matter who you have to step on to get there. After all, it's just a game.
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