2008-03-24, 16:11 | Link #1201 | |
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Even your examples show how everything could be blamed on OB and Zero. They broke the peace, people will blame them for it. The Order kills civilians, just not intentionally but they do. |
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2008-03-24, 16:23 | Link #1202 | |
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2008-03-24, 16:33 | Link #1204 | |
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And I just said target civilians, I never said kill civilians. uninvolved people will always die in wars, but there is a difference between collateral damage and outright massacre. not like they were winning that many friends in Britannia anyway. |
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2008-03-24, 16:37 | Link #1205 |
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Yeah, you can't deny that Britannia has probably started some whole thing against the Order to make sure they don't get support anymore by saying the restrictions on Japan are due to what the Order did.
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2008-03-24, 17:07 | Link #1206 | |
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well, same difference I guess. |
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2008-03-24, 19:15 | Link #1208 | ||
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Well. Now they definately have no friends in Britannia :P Though, actually, I'd say alot of younger people may have 'supported' or found interest in the OB. Younger people are known to be more rebelious and we even see in Ashford how the OB is discussed between students. Given that by the end of S1 OB was feared by them. |
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2008-03-24, 21:44 | Link #1209 |
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It's true that we saw people like Rivalz think they were cool, but that pretty much changed when Shirley had her father get killed. As soon as they had a reason to fear and not like them, they took it.
There is also the fact that they are led by a man in a mask whose trust could be considered questionable by some. I remember one Bokura no Hibiki that had Shirley saying she thought about supporting them like some people did, but thought Zero looked untrustworthy and that he could stab you in the back.
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2008-03-24, 21:56 | Link #1210 | |
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Funny that Shirley ended up being the one who shot someone in the back, not Lulu. |
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2008-03-24, 22:03 | Link #1211 |
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Well, they are Britannians. What do they have to worry about besides the Order showing up again and perhaps causing a rebellion? How did Lelouch plan on keeping a hold of everything? I'd expect the Japanese to hurt a lot of Britannians whether they deserved it or not. Look at what happened to Viletta.
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2008-03-24, 22:14 | Link #1212 | |
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Point is, Britannians aren't really safe with anyone, especially their government. And when they realize it, there may be more defections to the Order than nutjobs (lovable nutjobs) like Diethard. |
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2008-03-24, 22:19 | Link #1213 | |
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But seriously, I have a feeling that Cornelia may play a role in further britannian defections. Techincally speaking Lelouch "should" have some sort of loyalty base in Britannia, he just needs to find it given how well respected Marianne was in the motherland. Down the road Lelouch is going to need some more britannians than just Diethardt in order to make his Order much more dangerous (If it includes members from all 3 superpowers, how much potential do you think they'll be in that?) |
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2008-03-24, 22:21 | Link #1215 |
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Not to mention Dumbass of the Black Knights deciding to shoot up the student council for no real reason beyond being pissed at Suzaku. Suzaku probably deserved it but the other guys didn't do any wrong. They were just civilians. They (the Black Knights that is) didn't look very just there. In fact Suzaku and his pals looked pretty damn heroic in that scene. Kinda threw everything out of perspective.
Imagine if Nunally had been there and he managed to shoot them after all. Lelouch would have been thrilled I'm sure. |
2008-03-24, 22:27 | Link #1216 | |
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But I think things will turn out okay, they've got good leaders like Ougi, Toudou and Kaguya even when Lelouch isn't around to try and keep things in order. As long as there's good people out there and a good philosophy, they'll be able to resolve situations like in the Third Reason sound drama with Lelouch, Kallen, Suzaku and those idiot bank robbers or Episode 9 with the refrain addicts. :3 |
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2008-03-24, 22:38 | Link #1217 | ||
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What incentive is there for her to defect? Unless she learns something about Marianne or the Emperor's plan that makes her believe that she has to fight against Britannia, I would be surprised to see her actually contributing to Lelouch's cause even if it was indirectly. I've always wondered about that actually. I always wondered if she had anyone still in Britannia who would support Lelouch because of Marianne, besides the Ashford family that is. There is always the potential defection from someone in the Knights which would certainly help him, but I think that the Emperor would choose people he knew wouldn't do such a thing. Quote:
Overall, they have good people in the high positions of the Order. I think we'll see Ougi come into his own and I could even see Ougi becoming the leader of Japan in the long run. It's idiots like Tamaki that make them look bad and they sort of represent the bad side of the Order I suppose.
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The way I see it, should Charles get axed off by Schenizeil then those knights would be in danger of being killed too. |
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2008-03-24, 23:05 | Link #1219 | |
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Well, that is certainly a possiblity I suppose. I've considered she might find something out to make her believe she needed to fight against Britannia like perhaps finding out the truth about Marianne's death. I had the same feeling from her, but there isn't much evidence right now. Yeah, we could always see that happen though the situation would have to arise for him to establish contact. Or perhaps Cornelia could break and gather people loyal to her as well as Marianne. The only other person I could see being a final villain is V.V.at this point and there is always the possibility we could see V.V. kill the Emperor if he no longer has any use for him. Something like that could result in the Knights aiding Lelouch. Schneizal is certainly a possibility I suppose given that CLAMP was told to design an arch-enemy with him. It just seems out there for it to happen in the show when we saw how powerful the Emperor seems to be and how much he knows.
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2008-03-24, 23:42 | Link #1220 |
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I guess it comes down to what exactly the final problem is.
If the Emperor has some kind of evil plan to kill everyone weak in the world or something like that then I'm sure alot of Britannian's won't exactly be thrilled with this (even some of the Knights might turn on him, they don't all seem to be the global genocide supporting kind of folk.) Though thats a bit cliche. Well we'll have to see what happens. Suffice to say if its something that's a global scale threat we'll probably see a Black Knight/Britannia alliance. That's assuming both sides aren't almost wiped out in which case its whoever's still alive vs whatever the threat is. Likewise if its the Britannian royalty doing some selfish plot that's clearly bad for everyone including Britannian's we might see some Britannian infighting. And Cornellia's at the top of list of Britannian's willing to help Lelouch I'd say. All her rage at Euphie's death seemed to vanish once she saw who he was and what his motivations were. She's clearly bothered by the idea that something fishy happened back then, otherwise she wouldn't have given up her spot as Gov and ran off to do whatever. She'll probably bring Guilford with her as well. |
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