Mahouka - Episode 9 Discussion / Poll

[karice67]

Originally Posted by Ravagerblade

Tatsuya can't hate his mother though, he said he can't hate anything basically.

It's really interesting that he phrases it in that way ("I don't have a heart capable of hatred.") It's similar to what he said to Miyuki in episode 2: "since I can't get angry myself." Tatsuya is very noticeably 'flat' and emotionless (though I notice it especially since it's Nakamura Yuichi, whom I'm used to hearing far more emotive performances from)...but why is it "cannot" instead of "am not"?


(NB: rhetorical question, you don't have to answer)

[Mentar]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

I'm just saying. If people don't like Tatsuya's genius, learning he's got a flunky to do the tedious legwork of R&D is going to change squat.

In my experience, if people decide to hate on a character, it is the complete exception if even the best, reasonable explanations would move them. They will rather diss on him regardless.

And please don't pretend that "capable" is anywhere close to adequate to describe Tatsuya. If nothing else, it doesn't have to be either invincible genius or good-for-nothing moron. There's a whole spectrum between the two.

Please. The people who try to push him to the ultimate extremes are generally his haters, not his fans. Tatsuya has several areas where he is exceptionally capable (genius-level, since you seem to insist on this description), several others where he is less than capable (dealing with other people), and some areas which are literally missing (emotions). So what? Why is this something that he or anyone else liking this LN would have to defend?

For myself... I can live with it, but it'd certainly be easier to swallow if "genius" was his day job. Instead of something he does the way I post in anime forums...

The point I was trying to make: The detractors are getting tedious in their repetitiveness. If someone has a problem with a seemingly OP character, it's fine to say so. Once, twice, maybe even three times. After 9 repetitions, it's getting tiresome, but it's evident that at least some people seem perfectly capable to write about it till episode 26. It's as insightful and productive as complaining in each episode that Ippo is so durable or Sousuke is so militaristic. In other words: Not at all. This is what defines these characters, this is what they are. So I'd say: Accept it, live with it and go from there or don't accept it and drop it.

[pampz21]

Favorite part of this episode is Tatsuya jaw drop when she saw Erika....He's eyes are clearly focus on her#! Reason why Erika wave a hand #!

Erika's hair got shorter again; damn you mad house!

Spoiler for ....:

Clap your hands for Tatsuya you freaking weakling#!

[zerozeronine]

Originally Posted by pampz21

Erika's hair got shorter again; damn you mad house!

Yeah it should be long enough to tie a bit at the back right ?

[Random Wanderer]

I just found Miyuki repeating that Shizuka and Honoka were her brother's friends 3 times, in the exact same tone of voice, to be quite amusing. Despite her tone never changing, somehow the third repitition made it some off borderline yandere-esque. Sort of "I won't believe any conclusion that suggests they could be anything other than friends to my beloved onii-sama."

Yes, it's just Miyuki being Miyuki, but it still seemed amusing to me at that point. It's the little things that make a show work, sometimes.

In other news, I'd like to keep the redhead. What's her name... Eimi? She's cute. And her hair is gorgeous.

[kagato3]

Originally Posted by Ravagerblade

Tatsuya can't hate his mother though, he said he can't hate anything basically.

yes but his father still believed he hated his mother

[MCAL]

Yeah, at this point in time, I think Madhouse is doing an adequate job of trying to get Tatsuya's character across. And honestly I think he's definitely better than most characters of his type. And the hints of dark past keep his character at least interesting, which is more than I can say for most OP characters. Meanwhile his sense of humor is actually pretty good. And his reaction to seeing Erika, Mizuki and Leo near the front was pretty amusing. I don't get the sense that his character is a bore either.

But damn, those cliffhangers. Now I'm curious as why trying to stop the burning car is a bad idea.

[Nerroth]

I'm relatively new to the series, having just gotten caught up with the anime this week (partly due to learning about the Vita game), and I haven't looked at any of the LN material.

But so far, the impression I get is that, whatever happened to Tatsuya and Miyuki, she seems to have ended up with more than her fair share of emotional capacity, in contrast to his own weakness in that area.

As in, had both siblings with born with a 1.0 quota, something in their past shifted the balance to .3 or so in his case, and to 1.7 in hers.

(Perhaps that might explain how intense her feelings towards him are?)

[Ravagerblade]

Originally Posted by Nerroth

I'm relatively new to the series, having just gotten caught up with the anime this week (partly due to learning about the Vita game), and I haven't looked at any of the LN material.

But so far, the impression I get is that, whatever happened to Tatsuya and Miyuki, she seems to have ended up with more than her fair share of emotional capacity, in contrast to his own weakness in that area.

As in, had both siblings with born with a 1.0 quota, something in their past shifted the balance to .3 or so in his case, and to 1.7 in hers.

(Perhaps that might explain how intense her feelings towards him are?)

I think it's too soon to tell with that method there dude, Granted I've read the LN's up to the current. Why don't you wait till more episode's come out to decide.

[germanturkey]

fun episode. all those little in-jokes that novel readers understand due to their more fleshed out understanding of why tatsuya works the way he does made this episode enjoyable.

also, gotta love increase Shizuka and Honoka screen time.

[thundrakkon]

The butler, who is supposedly very intelligent for the position he is in, does not seem very intelligent to be pissing whom he perceives to be the next head of the family and his future boss. It won't be surprising to see him drowned and frozen in a frozen lake in the middle of the desert. Tatsuya and Miyuki have been hinted to kill others before, so it's not beneath to off an "enemy". Plus, considering that they are part of the 10 elite families, they can easily sweep this under the rug.

There were many things in this episode with bits and pieces of information. It will require a second viewing to digest it all.

TL;DR…

Summary of key points

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My guess is either Miyuki will cast an ice wall or Tatsuya will swoop in front, dispell all cast magic, and cast a forced push off spell.

[rladls2121]

Yes the butler Aoki did not see Miyuki's Yandere trait coming because he thinks he is doing the right thing.
Even so, he should have held back and keep those "disrespectful" comments to himself, it is just not worth his "enjoyment", it will just get himself a headache.

So then when Tatsuya said to Mizuki in eariler episodes that she has good eyes was actually meant something incredible.
Tatsuya say the same thing about Mizuki's eyes again because it is just too good.

All Tatsuya says to Mayumi is in a stress when she tried hard to appeal him, this is just too good.
Hattori's reaction to Mayumi's apperance is what she really wanted from Tatsuya.

And Morisaki Shun you are there? I did not notice.

[whsie]

Well it looks like we still have some viewers who can critically analyze the episode.

Anyhow, the reason the butler can be so disparaging towards Tats and respectful towards Miyuki is because of their statuses in the family. As noted several times already, Miyuki is a potential candidate while Tats is a mere bodyguard, which is roughly the same level if not lower than the butler.

Even when we take a step aside and wonder why Tats is getting disrespected like this despite his talents, it does bring into question what the Yotsuba value since there are a lot of areas where Tats check the mark.

[Ravagerblade]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

The butler, who is supposedly very intelligent for the position he is in, does not seem very intelligent to be pissing whom he perceives to be the next head of the family and his future boss. It won't be surprising to see him drowned and frozen in a frozen lake in the middle of the desert. Tatsuya and Miyuki have been hinted to kill others before, so it's not beneath to off an "enemy". Plus, considering that they are part of the 10 elite families, they can easily sweep this under the rug.

There were many things in this episode with bits and pieces of information. It will require a second viewing to digest it all.

TL;DR…

Summary of key points

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My guess is either Miyuki will cast an ice wall or Tatsuya will swoop in front, dispell all cast magic, and cast a forced push off spell.

Fixed. You did have some nice summary though, nice skill.

[Marcus H.]

I've really got to ask at this point. Why are you still here? If the idea of having a competent and well liked protagonist is that insufferable to you then there's plenty of series out there with a self insert "this loser is you" protagonist who's utter incompetence still manages to get them fame, fortune, or a harem even if it just has to literally fall out of the sky. Or are your complaints becoming a parody at this point?

Why the vitriol? It's not like the light novels is insulted, but rather the anime series, which seems to be struggling in capturing everything in the LNs. I'll let the faithful fans say their complements for Madhouse's efforts, but I still feel that the production team isn't the best team for the job, compared to NGNL, which appears to be doing a better job in portraying the story and imagery of the light novels, and Hunter x Hunter, which is self-explanatory given Episode 131.

I'll probably gonna drop Mahouka eventually. You guys would probably say "good riddance", but the series isn't my cup of tea either.

Just a tip from the LN fans: don't think that "read the LNs" is always a good answer to anyone who is an anime-only viewer. It's clearly moving goalposts when the real issue lies with the problems with the anime.

[kagato3]

Originally Posted by whsie

Well it looks like we still have some viewers who can critically analyze the episode.

Anyhow, the reason the butler can be so disparaging towards Tats and respectful towards Miyuki is because of their statuses in the family. As noted several times already, Miyuki is a potential candidate while Tats is a mere bodyguard, which is roughly the same level if not lower than the butler.

Even when we take a step aside and wonder why Tats is getting disrespected like this despite his talents, it does bring into question what the Yotsuba value since there are a lot of areas where Tats check the mark.

Note that the other Yotsuba butler seen in ep 7 was vastly more respectful to Tatsuya (even bowing to him something Aoki said was beneath him as a butler of the family) and is apparently in a position that he thinks nothing of questioning the head of the family if it is a good idea to leave things as they are

[thundrakkon]

Originally Posted by Ravagerblade

Fixed. You did have some nice summary though, nice skill.

Thanks for the corrections! I was writing that on my phone and it auto-corrected everything to Miyuki.

I forgot to add that Miyuki is supposedly the leading candidate to succeed the Yotsuba family, which means there are a few other possible candidates as well. Will we ever get to meet them? Who knows... However, I'm guessing that they are quite powerful as well, to be considered as candidates to succeed the Yotsuba.

[Ravagerblade]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

Thanks for the corrections! I was writing that on my phone and it auto-corrected everything to Miyuki.

I forgot to add that Miyuki is supposedly the leading candidate to succeed the Yotsuba family, which means there are a few other possible candidates as well. Will we ever get to meet them? Who knows... However, I'm guessing that they are quite powerful as well, to be considered as candidates to succeed the Yotsuba.

I can't provide more information at this time. ;P

[maplehurry]

Originally Posted by Mentar

The point I was trying to make: The detractors are getting tedious in their repetitiveness. If someone has a problem with a seemingly OP character, it's fine to say so. Once, twice, maybe even three times. After 9 repetitions, it's getting tiresome, but it's evident that at least some people seem perfectly capable to write about it till episode 26. It's as insightful and productive as complaining in each episode that Ippo is so durable or Sousuke is so militaristic. In other words: Not at all. This is what defines these characters, this is what they are. So I'd say: Accept it, live with it and go from there or don't accept it and drop it.

Some antagonists were considered very OP, such as that guy who enjoyed trolling others in a different manga series, but even he is not the final boss even though many readers expects him to be given how powerful he's shown to be, but due to plot someone even more powerful appears later on. So it seems more of a criticism of the plot to me than criticism of the character.

And if it's a plot criticism, then one may voice their disappointment each arc if every new arc doesn't meet their expectations.
"omg is it going to be another rescue arc ???" "omg is a major character going to die every arc ????" "is the MC going to win every arc ???"
"are the bad guys going to be a joke all the way til the end ????"
Well, ok I guess that's still pretty grueling if someone really does it after every arc ...

[miroku2192]

So why can't Miyuki just Nilfheim the hell out of the car and freeze it in its path?