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Old 2021-02-21, 00:25   Link #101
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I could also give another reasoning as to why Hinata wouldn't even believe Rimuru even if he forcefully tried to mentions stuff "about Japan cities, or about the original world", but i am not sure if its ok to mention them here as they could be spoiler.
I was wondering to myself about when in Japan Hinata might be from, because she could be like Shizue and have been brought over from historical Japan and thus not get the references to modern Japan that Rimuru is likely to make.

Considering Hinata and Shizue were close, it could be they weren't that far apart generation-wise.
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Old 2021-02-21, 00:32   Link #102
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The event setup itself also play a part in the whole misunderstand thing.
not just some random trope out of nowhere
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Old 2021-02-21, 01:07   Link #103
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It's a trope until it showcases otherwise. And if it turns out better than just being a trope, it's poorly presented this episode.
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Old 2021-02-21, 14:43   Link #104
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There is a specific Main Plot related reasoning behind this whole set-up, and it isn't just some random "writer wants this fight so we can't have a common sense" situation.

And all the reasoning behind why the events happen in that situation is explained later on as the story progress (probably won't happen in this Season though), including why Rimuru didn't try to explain more in-depthly or why Hinata wasn't even willing to listen to Rimuru.

I could also give another reasoning as to why Hinata wouldn't even believe Rimuru even if he forcefully tried to mentions stuff "about Japan cities, or about the original world", but i am not sure if its ok to mention them here as they could be spoiler.
I never read the LN and I haven't kept up with reading the manga. I went to my manga tracker, chapter 55 was last chapter I read back in May. I had to laugh at the coincidence; I re-read it to see where I am and it's pretty much right where the anime is now.

I guess I need to get back to reading so I can see to what you refer.
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Old 2021-02-21, 15:22   Link #105
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I was wondering to myself about when in Japan Hinata might be from, because she could be like Shizue and have been brought over from historical Japan and thus not get the references to modern Japan that Rimuru is likely to make.

Considering Hinata and Shizue were close, it could be they weren't that far apart generation-wise.
Or probably came from the same lineage, like the same ancestors. Perhaps like Hinata and Shizue could be a far-distant relatives.
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Old 2021-02-22, 08:30   Link #106
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So Hinata is currently hated en masse due to this episode... and unfortunately, we're not going to see the why of everything until a potential Season 3.

That said, if anyone wants to venture into heavy spoiler territory... well, I'm not allowed to give spoilers in any anime threads. That said, I can tell you that if you got to the thread in the WN section, and go to pages 64 and 68... well, along with other HEAVY spoilers, it explains what's happening here (68 has a better text explanation... again, if you're just that curious and are willing to into heavy spoiler territory)
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Old 2021-02-22, 09:06   Link #107
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It's a trope until it showcases otherwise. And if it turns out better than just being a trope, it's poorly presented this episode.
Its not really a "trope" though, since during the whole fight Rimuru does keep on questioning as to how Hinata knew about stuff he talked about (like him being a Reincarnated person and a Japanese) and how that whole info was completely elaborated to make it seem like Rimuru was the evil one.
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Old 2021-02-22, 09:28   Link #108
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It's a trope until it showcases otherwise. And if it turns out better than just being a trope, it's poorly presented this episode.
The so-called "trope" is people overthinking things and jumping to conclusions. That's not what happened here because we have an evidently malicious anonymous source that already told Hinata about any possible "excuse" that Rimuru might use in his defense. Your own post is closer to being this trope than Hinata was.

All that being said, there is appearently a preview video for the next ep, but note that the thumbnail in itself is spoiling a little next ep content so open at your own risk:

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Old 2021-02-22, 18:00   Link #109
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The so-called "trope" is people overthinking things and jumping to conclusions. That's not what happened here because we have an evidently malicious anonymous source that already told Hinata about any possible "excuse" that Rimuru might use in his defense. Your own post is closer to being this trope than Hinata was.

All that being said, there is appearently a preview video for the next ep, but note that the thumbnail in itself is spoiling a little next ep content so open at your own risk:

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Yes, because apparently getting information from an anonymous (to us) source is grounds for not talking to the accused and verifying ones information with additional outside sources. Hinata is behaving this way because the show needs her to behave this way, not because her behavior is smart or justified. Yes, it's a tired overused trope.
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Old 2021-02-22, 18:24   Link #110
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That depends on who the source is and what she was told. For instance what if it was someone she had complete trust in and given a story that Rimuru had the ability to read peoples memories. Add in distress from the death of a friend. You could blame Rimuru for just sitting around thinking about the kids instead of just insistently transporting to the city if you want to pull it's happening because the story needs it to.
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Old 2021-02-22, 19:16   Link #111
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Yes, because apparently getting information from an anonymous (to us) source is grounds for not talking to the accused and verifying ones information with additional outside sources. Hinata is behaving this way because the show needs her to behave this way, not because her behavior is smart or justified. Yes, it's a tired overused trope.
Talking to the accused and thereby taking risks? To her Rimuru isn't just some human. He is literally a monster who shamelessly wears the skin of her teacher (which is actually a bit creepy if you think about it).

Most monsters are either mindless beasts attacking anything in sight like the ones Rimuru fought in the cave, or ruthless intelligent predators like the Direwolf Boss and his pack, or sneaky and cunning like the clowns. There's also demons who tempt and trick people into giving up their souls. Hinata has evidently seen and slain countless such beasts and villains, including those tricky types who probably tried to appeal to her sympathy so she wouldn't kill them.

Not to mention that Otherworld-Reincarnators are basically almost non-existent even more so for the case of a human from another world reincarnating as a monster. Veldora was aware of both Stray-type and Summon-type Otherworlders, but he didn't know if the Reincarnation-type of Otherworlders even existed before meeting Rimuru, showing the sheer rarity of such a phenomenon which would obviously translate to Hinata being more doubtful about Rimuru's claim of being a human from her homeworld who reincarnated as a Slime. For all she knows, Rimuru even got some ability to read the minds of those he devours so him mentioning "things that only a Japanese could know" would be pointless. If you were to "put 2 and 2 together" from an othersider perspective, you might even come to the conclusion that Rimuru uses the "I am Japanese" excuse exactly because he likely has such an ability.

So why exactly should Hinata believe whatever Rimuru is saying? She has several reasons to doubt him and not a single reason to believe him. If she approached him or his living environment in a more peaceful setting, he'd become aware that the Western Holy Church or some informant is keeping an eye on him, risking that he might just flee back to his nation. If she questioned him in the Holy Field barrier without attacking him then what would that accomplish? At that point any genuine attempt at communication is indistinguishable from buying time for some trick or even just placating her into letting him go. And when he did say something in his defense, he said exactly what the report mentioned he would likely say, only deepening her convictions about Rimuru being the cold-blooded killer of her teacher.

So her behavior is perfectly legit. For all we know her source of information had already given her accurate intel in the past, which would only solidify her stance further. If you insist calling this being just a case of the "misunderstanding trope", then I hope you can refute every single one of the points I just mentioned.
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Old 2021-02-22, 20:22   Link #112
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That depends on who the source is and what she was told. For instance what if it was someone she had complete trust in and given a story that Rimuru had the ability to read peoples memories. Add in distress from the death of a friend. You could blame Rimuru for just sitting around thinking about the kids instead of just insistently transporting to the city if you want to pull it's happening because the story needs it to.
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Talking to the accused and thereby taking risks? To her Rimuru isn't just some human. He is literally a monster who shamelessly wears the skin of her teacher (which is actually a bit creepy if you think about it).

Most monsters are either mindless beasts attacking anything in sight like the ones Rimuru fought in the cave, or ruthless intelligent predators like the Direwolf Boss and his pack, or sneaky and cunning like the clowns. There's also demons who tempt and trick people into giving up their souls. Hinata has evidently seen and slain countless such beasts and villains, including those tricky types who probably tried to appeal to her sympathy so she wouldn't kill them.
Rimuru is also the self proclaimed leader of a new nation who is actively and rather cordially developing ties with the leaders of the other nations around him. That clearly makes him more then just a mindless monster or ruthlessly evil.

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Not to mention that Otherworld-Reincarnators are basically almost non-existent even more so for the case of a human from another world reincarnating as a monster. Veldora was aware of both Stray-type and Summon-type Otherworlders, but he didn't know if the Reincarnation-type of Otherworlders even existed before meeting Rimuru, showing the sheer rarity of such a phenomenon which would obviously translate to Hinata being more doubtful about Rimuru's claim of being a human from her homeworld who reincarnated as a Slime. For all she knows, Rimuru even got some ability to read the minds of those he devours so him mentioning "things that only a Japanese could know" would be pointless. If you were to "put 2 and 2 together" from an othersider perspective, you might even come to the conclusion that Rimuru uses the "I am Japanese" excuse exactly because he likely has such an ability.

So why exactly should Hinata believe whatever Rimuru is saying? She has several reasons to doubt him and not a single reason to believe him. If she approached him or his living environment in a more peaceful setting, he'd become aware that the Western Holy Church or some informant is keeping an eye on him, risking that he might just flee back to his nation. If she questioned him in the Holy Field barrier without attacking him then what would that accomplish? At that point any genuine attempt at communication is indistinguishable from buying time for some trick or even just placating her into letting him go. And when he did say something in his defense, he said exactly what the report mentioned he would likely say, only deepening her convictions about Rimuru being the cold-blooded killer of her teacher.

So her behavior is perfectly legit. For all we know her source of information had already given her accurate intel in the past, which would only solidify her stance further. If you insist calling this being just a case of the "misunderstanding trope", then I hope you can refute every single one of the points I just mentioned.
If your whole argument is that Hinata can't trust anyone because this or that might be true or might happen, thus she can't be bothered to look for evidence that might contradict what she's been told, then of course her actions seem legit. If a person only looks for information to prove themselves right, then they'll hardly ever be wrong. If one only looks at things from a completely nefarious point of view, every action will seem suspect.

I'm not saying she shouldn't be cautious. However, has Hinata even bothered to talk with any of the other people Rimuru has been doing dealings with or been in contact with? Done any research into his supposed character or what other people might think of him? And then juxtaposed that against what she may have been told or initially believe to be true? If so, the show hasn't shown as such. Maybe she has and we'll see that later. But, so far it appears that Hinata has been told one thing, and has only bothered to look for information to back up what she herself wants to believe because of her own personal feelings. I'll be happy if the show proves me wrong. But, so far this is looking like another case of X character is stubborn and pigheaded because the show demands they be for the sake of "drama".
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Old 2021-02-22, 21:23   Link #113
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She's from a different nation than where she ambushed Rimuru (Rimuru was in Ingraccia, Hinata came from Ruberios) and has taken this job in her "free-time" (as she did something that normally wasn't her job). She lacks the time and authority to do anything on a larger scale like you are suggesting without accidently causing a diplomatic incident.

Also you didn't respond to my points whatsover, just categorically handwaved them away. The trope only kicks in under the Sherlock Holmes principle of "whatever remains must be the truth" but if even one counter-point remains, that condition is not satisfied.

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I have no clue where this supposedly comes from. Are you sure you didn't mix up your memories of another series with this one?
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Old 2021-02-22, 21:36   Link #114
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Its not really a "trope" though, since during the whole fight Rimuru does keep on questioning as to how Hinata knew about stuff he talked about (like him being a Reincarnated person and a Japanese) and how that whole info was completely elaborated to make it seem like Rimuru was the evil one.
It's a trope holding an "I'm not a trope sign"

If there's no meaningful dialogue to be had, it's not actively doing anything else.
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Old 2021-02-23, 03:07   Link #115
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As an anime only viewer, I do agree that Hinata acting the way she does - closed minded, pigheaded, does not back up her claims, does not research due "lack of time", etc. - plays right into the trope.


For this one particular incident, she is being one-dimensional. She might end up being a very complex character later on, but at this point in the story, she is one-dimensional and does what she does because the story needs her to.
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Old 2021-02-23, 05:53   Link #116
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I was wondering to myself about when in Japan Hinata might be from, because she could be like Shizue and have been brought over from historical Japan and thus not get the references to modern Japan that Rimuru is likely to make.

Considering Hinata and Shizue were close, it could be they weren't that far apart generation-wise.
Shizue is not so historical. The first scene depicts her barely survived from WW2's bombing.

Hinata seems to be a typical Dragon Quest gamer. Beating slime and goblin is normal task in the JRPG.

Hinata's skills might hint that she is yusha qualified, because she could beat Rimaru easily, and Rimaru's self assessment that he is weaker than maou.

p.s. The ending song is fun to hear. It reminds me about the ending themes and the fantasy worlds of Nadia and Laputa.
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Old 2021-02-23, 08:04   Link #117
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IIRC, the other Shizu student Rimuru met (the one who taught Shizu the "I'm not a bad slime" line) is from the same generation as Hinata, so they should both be from modern Japan. It's not like Shizu was brought in from past Japan to current times, she simply lived a lot longer than the average person thanks to Ifrit. She was a rather unique case.

Hinata should be the age she looks, unlike Shizu.
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IIRC, the other Shizu student Rimuru met (the one who taught Shizu the "I'm not a bad slime" line) is from the same generation as Hinata, so they should both be from modern Japan. It's not like Shizu was brought in from past Japan to current times, she simply lived a lot longer than the average person thanks to Ifrit. She was a rather unique case.

Hinata should be the age she looks, unlike Shizu.
Not sure about whether Yuuki and Hinata are from the same generation or not, but they are similar age-wise (by the way, Yuuki look younger than his actual age).
Also, Hinata came to that world some years before Yuuki.
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Old 2021-02-23, 11:06   Link #119
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Argggg the episode just didn't have enough time to cover entire incident
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Old 2021-02-23, 11:27   Link #120
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It's kind of ironic that Hinata had written Rimuru off as this unfeeling, soulless, monster and then he ends up needing to transform into a true, soulless, monster chimera beast to fight her. Of course, it's just a doppelganger, but still .

I see even without Hinata's sword she's still a force to be reckoned with. Rimuru let it rest at being a tie, but I'm not sure if there was a way he could have really beaten her .

Hinata has a monocle!? With how deluded and arrogant she is, it only makes her seem more pretentious and dumb. I can't wait until she finds out she didn't succeed in killing Rimuru .

Tempest is in bad shape and that's before Rimuru finds out about all the innocent civilians who died...it's not a pretty sight. Rimuru thought he could create an ideal, peaceful, society of monsters that could live with humans, but he did not account for the true evils of humanity .

Myulan's still around so she can face justice for her crimes and her part in all this, but Youm and Grucius won't let her face Benimaru's wrath because they're in love with her and know she's been manipulated in all this. And thankfully Great Sage was able to correct Rimuru on the degree of her responsibility before he eviscerated her in anger, but I really wonder what's next for her in Tempest and while Clayman still has her heart ?

I'm kind of amazed Rigurd and Gabiru's people are still alive. It also sounds like Shuna, Gobta, and Hakurou are going to be okay...but they never mentioned Shion .

So Falmuth is ready to declare Holy War, Clayman's machinations are coming to fruition, and Tempest is stuck rebuilding and having to hope their allies come to their aid. I don't envy Rimuru's position at all .

Nevertheless, as the next episode preview indicates, what truly awaits despair...is "hope" .
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