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zodanhko · 2009-11-20, 17:23

@Teleutao
I never thought she would have a tragic ending, and she better not be. Being a tragic character doesn't mean her suffering should be counted as any less compare to other characters, or thought of any less, although it's inevitable.

To give positive thoughts...

Spoiler for positive thoughts, positive thoughts...:

Sidestep · 2009-11-20, 19:17

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Originally Posted by Rah

I think it's possible that Hayate will be given the third option right before he makes his choice.

Something like:

But didn't Athena mention something about needing the original stone? I'm not aware of whether that means Hayate's stone is the only one that would work or if all of them are broken shards of the original.

Rah · 2009-11-20, 22:23

Spoiler for You shouldn't be reading this. It's full of nonesense, but some things are interesting. After quickly reviewing it, it even gives me a headache.:

Spoiler for Warning! The following text might cause blurred vision, dizziness, headache, brain damage, and more. Please consult your local psychiatrist before reading.:

Spoiler for Level 1 - Safe:

Spoiler for Level 2 - Prologue to insanity:

Spoiler for Level 3 - Contradiction Hell:

Spoiler for Level 4 - Hahahahaha, look at the birdies!:

Hmmm, what about...

Nagi isn't born yet. Hayate is her father. He somehow tries to save Athena, but ultimately it doesn't end well, somehow resulting in the death of Yukariko (or perhaps even not related to the whole thing). Naw wait.. say that Yukariko's death is Mikado's fault (that's why he's trying to fix things now - well, at least I think he's trying to do that.. sort of.. perhaps? .. heh..). I don't know where to put this, but say that he started wearing a mask and calling himself Himegami after Yukariko died. Nagi was too young at that time to remember much.. no, wait.. fuck! That's not true! Nagi remembers her mother quite well. But she never recalled her father for some reason, as well as Himegami. It fits if her father was gone by the time that she could remember things, and in his stead Himegami appeared. Maybe Hayate was in a horrible state after the death of his wife (kay, this sounds silly.. his wife.. lol), and couldn't stay at the mansion anymore. Too many memories... but after a few years he returned as Himegami, because he couldn't bear leaving Nagi alone anymore.

He left her again to find some sort of solution to everything just a while before "normal" Hayate was about to show up. Wait.. WAIT! Perhaps he's not Himegami after all, but his "brother". He dyed his hair jet black, and is helping every living soul in need to somehow redeem himself from what he has done... yess... it's perfect... mwahahahahha!

Such a time traveling story could fit in right now (not as messed up as I made it), but wouldn't things just repeat themselves if .... say the Himegami Hayate returns and stops the Hayate from that time from traveling back in time at that point. That would end his existence, Nagi as well, and everyone that Hayate came in contact with wouldn't even remember him.

Ages: Now & 10 years ago~

Hayate: (6-7) 16-17 years old
Nagi: (3) 13 years old
Athena: (6-7) 16-17 years old
Yukariko: (18) 28 years old
Maria: (7-8) 17-18 years old

Maria knew about Athena. She might play an interesting role... hmhm..

Okay, this is rather annoying. How old was Nagi when Yukariko died? I'm stupid, and lazy. Someone tell me! >_<

Spoiler for Still here? Things are normal again. Horray!:

Spoiler for Derailing is over + conclusion:

Used Can · 2009-11-20, 23:21

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Originally Posted by Sidestep

But didn't Athena mention something about needing the original stone?

She doesn't need it. She told Midas she didn't want it any more. Midas is the one who wants that stone.

Sidestep · 2009-11-20, 23:52

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Originally Posted by Used Can

She doesn't need it. She told Midas she didn't want it any more. Midas is the one who wants that stone.

True true, but no matter who wants it, would Wataru or Aika's stone be just as sufficient?

Wolfnagi · 2009-11-21, 00:20

Maybe Athena only found Hayate's stone and did't know about Aika/Wataru's stone??
That can be one possible soulution.
BTW,Rah
This is not "Back To The Future"
This is HnG.

zodanhko · 2009-11-21, 00:33

10 years ago, Athena already knew that Midas had like 5 stones or more but she only wanted Hayate's stone, the original stone as she mentioned. That means Hayate's stone must be more significance than the others.

Moreover, she had been searching for the stone although can't find it without realizing that the curse was lifted; that means she can differentiate the stones whether they are curse or not. It also means that none of the stones Mikado shown Athena 10 years ago was the original stone, or else Athena won't be needed to search for it.

Used Can · 2009-11-21, 01:02

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Originally Posted by Sidestep

True true, but no matter who wants it, would Wataru or Aika's stone be just as sufficient?

Midas wants the original.
That, and he shouldn't get the stone. That would harm Athena, and bad things would happen to the world.

Wolfnagi · 2009-11-21, 07:50

ok,
I just created a scenario just in case the king's jewel fall to Midas hand

Spoiler for Beware, parodies from FF VI:

BTW, just finished both NDS HnG games
It was awesome eventhought I don't know what they saying!!

Rah · 2009-11-21, 09:11

So, does anyone know how old was Nagi when her mother died?

l o o p · 2009-11-21, 10:44

This should answer you question

Spoiler:

Rah · 2009-11-21, 14:10

If I didn't mess up, then...

Yukariko was alive during the EoTW arc. She died a year or two later. Mikado's objective was "power" (ch 241), perhaps he changed it later, after her death? It's strange how he kept all those gems with him, but nothing ever happened to him. Yukariko also found a gem with Wataru's mom, right? I haven't read the chapter, so I dunno. Perhaps Mikado wasn't aware of that, and it slowly killed her? Perhaps the gems negative influence varies depending on the individual, or the type of gem. Hayate gets hit by cars, while Yukariko died from some disease (an unknown one at that if I'm not mistaken?? <- completely unsure if it was from disease...)

Hina's parents left around the time of the EoTW arc. They might be somehow involved with the whole RG thing. Athena said that things were still getting researched in the RG. Perhaps they were researchers? Any ideas about their occupations? I think I remember bar seats, or something... hmm.. probably just me...

Himegami was somehow involved with the RG. He left Nagi a while before Hayate arrived. He's around the same age as Maria and Hayate, because Maria referred to him as "-kun". I'm not sure if it's canon, or if it's from the anime, but if it is, then it's impossible for him to be involved with Yukariko in any way. Unless he's Hayate in disguise, and somehow completely deceived Maria.

If Hayate's "brother" was wearing a school uniform, then he was around 16-20 at the time that the EoTW arc ended. He should be around 26-30 now. Nagi was 3 at that time. It's improbable that he was involved with Yukariko at that time. Yukariko was 22-23 when Nagi was born. He'd be around 13-17 at that time if we judge his age by being a regular student at the time of the EoTW arc. I have no idea how the Japanese school system works, but if people wear uniforms after high school, then it would be possible that he was somehow involved with her if he was older. He might have also attended school at a later age due to various circumstances, but then again, in that flashback someone with lighter hair is depicted... *sigh*

Spoiler for Madness!:

Hayate chooses Nagi. Midas somehow succeeds in attaining his gem. He fails to save Athena, and the world is just about to end. At that moment he somehow travels back in time a few years before Yukariko has Nagi. He tries to think of a solution for everything, and in the process somehow becomes Yukariko's butler. They fall in love a while after and have Nagi. He's also Himegami in disguise, and with his future knowledge gets involved with the RG to try and save Athena, but somehow everything he does leads things to how they were in the future where he's from (such misfortune.. lol). He waits for the time where his past self is about to choose Nagi, and then interrupts him. He tells him the consequences of his choice, but also states the importance of it. After that, he tells him how to prevent everything that happens in the past (past Hayate still needs to time travel, else Nagi won't be born). He doesn't tell him his relationship with Yukariko, but only the most important parts. How she has a gem in her possession that will kill her, how to stop Midas from possessing Athena, etc...

So now we have 3 Hayates. Hayate from the future that time traveled to the past, Hayate yet to time travel, Hayate from the past. He stops Midas, or better yet also rescues Athena's parents. Also, he kills his own parents (yay! <3), and at the same time he fixes Hina's past. Hayate from the past ends up with Athena, and the EoTW arc has a happy end. He then continues his relationship with Yukariko. Back in normal time, Hobo Hayate from the past replaced Hayate from the present. Everyone is very confused by this, but his hobo charms (beard, jug of rum, tattered clothes, and a very "enigmatic" smell besides all the other things) lure everyone in regardless. Even Midas falls for him, leaving Athena, and throwing his world domination plans in the garbage. Mikado is very tsundere, though, but he's falling for him as well. Shortly after he makes polygamy legal, and marries everyone. The males all become his butlers, and the girls his wives. They have many, many children.

FIN!

Any questions? ^_^

GDB · 2009-11-21, 14:34

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Originally Posted by Rah

Any questions? ^_^

You recently watched the first Futurama movie, didn't you?

aldw · 2009-11-21, 15:06

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Originally Posted by Rah

If I didn't mess up, then...

Yukariko was alive during the EoTW arc. She died a year or two later. Mikado's objective was "power" (ch 241), perhaps he changed it later, after her death? It's strange how he kept all those gems with him, but nothing ever happened to him. Yukariko also found a gem with Wataru's mom, right? I haven't read the chapter, so I dunno. Perhaps Mikado wasn't aware of that, and it slowly killed her? Perhaps the gems negative influence varies depending on the individual, or the type of gem. Hayate gets hit by cars, while Yukariko died from some disease (an unknown one at that if I'm not mistaken?? <- completely unsure if it was from disease...)

Hina's parents left around the time of the EoTW arc. They might be somehow involved with the whole RG thing. Athena said that things were still getting researched in the RG. Perhaps they were researchers? Any ideas about their occupations? I think I remember bar seats, or something... hmm.. probably just me...

Himegami was somehow involved with the RG. He left Nagi a while before Hayate arrived. He's around the same age as Maria and Hayate, because Maria referred to him as "-kun". I'm not sure if it's canon, or if it's from the anime, but if it is, then it's impossible for him to be involved with Yukariko in any way. Unless he's Hayate in disguise, and somehow completely deceived Maria.

If Hayate's "brother" was wearing a school uniform, then he was around 16-20 at the time that the EoTW arc ended. He should be around 26-30 now. Nagi was 3 at that time. It's improbable that he was involved with Yukariko at that time. Yukariko was 22-23 when Nagi was born. He'd be around 13-17 at that time if we judge his age by being a regular student at the time of the EoTW arc. I have no idea how the Japanese school system works, but if people wear uniforms after high school, then it would be possible that he was somehow involved with her if he was older. He might have also attended school at a later age due to various circumstances, but then again, in that flashback someone with lighter hair is depicted... *sigh*

Spoiler for Madness!:

Hayate chooses Nagi. Midas somehow succeeds in attaining his gem. He fails to save Athena, and the world is just about to end. At that moment he somehow travels back in time a few years before Yukariko has Nagi. He tries to think of a solution for everything, and in the process somehow becomes Yukariko's butler. They fall in love a while after and have Nagi. He's also Himegami in disguise, and with his future knowledge gets involved with the RG to try and save Athena, but somehow everything he does leads things to how they were in the future where he's from (such misfortune.. lol). He waits for the time where his past self is about to choose Nagi, and then interrupts him. He tells him the consequences of his choice, but also states the importance of it. After that, he tells him how to prevent everything that happens in the past (past Hayate still needs to time travel, else Nagi won't be born). He doesn't tell him his relationship with Yukariko, but only the most important parts. How she has a gem in her possession that will kill her, how to stop Midas from possessing Athena, etc...

So now we have 3 Hayates. Hayate from the future that time traveled to the past, Hayate yet to time travel, Hayate from the past. He stops Midas, or better yet also rescues Athena's parents. Also, he kills his own parents (yay! <3), and at the same time he fixes Hina's past. Hayate from the past ends up with Athena, and the EoTW arc has a happy end. He then continues his relationship with Yukariko. Back in normal time, Hobo Hayate from the past replaced Hayate from the present. Everyone is very confused by this, but his hobo charms (beard, jug of rum, tattered clothes, and a very "enigmatic" smell besides all the other things) lure everyone in regardless. Even Midas falls for him, leaving Athena, and throwing his world domination plans in the garbage. Mikado is very tsundere, though, but he's falling for him as well. Shortly after he makes polygamy legal, and marries everyone. The males all become his butlers, and the girls his wives. They have many, many children.

FIN!

Any questions? ^_^

If that's the story best to treat it as burnable rubbish at that point...

Rah · 2009-11-21, 15:20

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Originally Posted by GDB

You recently watched the first Futurama movie, didn't you?

Nop. Don't like Futurama.

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Originally Posted by aldw

If that's the story best to treat it as burnable rubbish at that point...

The "madness" part is just something random I thought up in the moment. It was quite fun imagining hobo Hayate. Lol...

Hei.... lol...

nvm..

Anyway, the other parts are facts and unknowns.

If it's canon that Yukariko died from a mysterious disease, then it's probably related to the gem.

Same with Himegami being called "-kun" by Maria, and Hayate's "brother" being in a school at the end of the EoTW arc.

Hina's parents also left her around the time of the EoTW arc.

Well, if nobody has anything to add then I dunno. The only alternatives to picking Nagi or Athena that I know of are the gems, time travel, mysterious other way of separating them, bargaining with Midas, and... umm... dunno~

If it's only Hayate's gem that opens the path, then the others are meant for something else.

Time travel might be used. Hayate x Yukariko > Everything else in existence, anywhere, at any time, my opinion > yours, if not = you die. Eheheh~♥

Don't worry, I'll change my mind soon enough. ^_^

Game8910 · 2009-11-21, 16:33

Spoiler for more pics of ch250:

heh looks like hinagiku is still not done crying

GDB · 2009-11-21, 16:42

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Originally Posted by Game8910

heh looks like hinagiku is still not done crying

I would hope not. It hasn't even been 24 hours.

Rah · 2009-11-21, 17:15

Nagi looks way too happy. Perhaps it's a sign that Hayate will choose Athena? It always feels the best to crush them when they're happiest! Then he'd go to her place yet again, but with Sakuya & Isumi this time. Talk a while, and then break the gem right before his eyes. Midas would leave Athena's body, but since he was in her for such a long time, he saw glimpses of her memories, or perhaps even the things she thought and did, whatever...

Anyway, he'd recall that Hayate somehow ended up in the RG without owning a gem. Even Nagi's mom said that he truly goes anywhere he's called, or something like that.

In short, he'd possess Hayate, preventing Isumi from banishing him to hell. Then using his mysterious powers, he would gain entry to the RG once more. The girls would then join forces to save him.

Conveniently, he'd forget to close the path behind him, being blinded by his greed, and the power that he'll hold once more. With Athena's help, they would find the path and enter the RG to confront Midas.

After an epic battle, or just a barrage of sweet words to wake Hayate from his control, things would return back to normal, or so it would seem...

For a while we'd get comedy scenes, normal every day life including Athena now as well, but the perpetrator that closed the RG would make his move, or perhaps they found out already who it was when they came to rescue Hayate? Well, whatever...

Anyhow, it would be bout time for Mikado to make his move, now that the path to the RG is open again. Perhaps he would go inside and close it to scheme on, or perhaps he'd appear right after Midas' defeat...

Hmmm, who knows? Well, the only thing certain is that Hayate will receive a gift from Nagi for his birthday. It's June or July now, yeh? 4-5 months of manga time to go till November.

Things can still change, though. Perhaps Hata will make it more dramatic by making that day really miserable for both Hayate and Nagi? That would be cool, too, in its own way.

Spoiler for Not for Hina fans, or anyone that overly cares bout what I say...:

Koroshiya_Kame_13 · 2009-11-21, 17:47

Looks like Maria was told or realized about something (probably related to what happened to Hayate recently) but is still wondering why Hayate is depressed. Ayumu's words: "You can't regret before you even make a decision", had some impact on Hayate and apparently Hinagiku.

Used Can · 2009-11-21, 18:28

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Originally Posted by Koroshiya_Kame_13

Looks like Maria was told or realized about something (probably related to what happened to Hayate recently) but is still wondering why Hayate is depressed.

I don't think she's realised anything. It seems Hina told her something, to which Maria replied "I see, then why does he still look down?". However, I don't think that's related to Athena. I'm sure that, had she been told about that, Maria would have had a different reaction. I'm fairly positive Hina told her something about their date.

Anyway, with all these spoiler pics, I believe we've already seen the entire chapter. The text spoilers have pretty much summarised the entire thing as well. So, I guess we've got nothing to wait for (other than perhaps better pics once the raw is out). Well, there's the spoilers for 251, but those won't come out until a week from now.

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zodanhko ignoring Join Date: Aug 2009	@Teleutao I never thought she would have a tragic ending, and she better not be. Being a tragic character doesn't mean her suffering should be counted as any less compare to other characters, or thought of any less, although it's inevitable. To give positive thoughts... Spoiler for positive thoughts, positive thoughts...: The Return of the Condor Heroes Last edited by zodanhko; 2009-11-20 at 17:58.

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Rah Are you a lolicon? :3 Join Date: Aug 2009	Spoiler for You shouldn't be reading this. It's full of nonesense, but some things are interesting. After quickly reviewing it, it even gives me a headache.: Spoiler for Warning! The following text might cause blurred vision, dizziness, headache, brain damage, and more. Please consult your local psychiatrist before reading.: Spoiler for Level 1 - Safe: Uhm, well, I don't see what other purpose do the gems have. Perhaps each serves a function... Hayate's opens the path. Wataru's grants access to the bathroom. flush Aika's grants access to the minibar and snacks. Lol... But It might be like that. Each gem does something different in the RG, or combined together they do something. No, not like Dragonball. Perhaps they're wishing gems? In the RG you express a wish when holding onto one, but it has a negative effect proportional to the wish you made (or perhaps irrelevant to the type of wish). After that it clouds again / taints, so that it's symbol is no longer visible. But there's no point in that if Isumi was present. Let's disregard that for now. I'm trying to think of an alternative to the whole choice thing. Although he'll have to choose someone at some point in the future, but isn't it a bit early for that? If there are no alternatives to opening the pathway to the RG, then Hayate's gem must stay intact. He doesn't have much of a choice. Either he bargains with Midas (don't forget that he is a baka butler), or he chooses Nagi, coldly rejecting Athena (impossible after all he did and said). So............ 1. Bargain with Midas. 2. Mysterious alternative: The gems, a different way to separate Athena from Midas,... Spoiler for Level 2 - Prologue to insanity: 3. Time traveling - Okay, this is absurd, but it's something important to the whole plot as well. - Hayate is just about to make his decision, he turns around, and suddenly he's not in Kansas anymore. I wonder how long was Athena in Greece? Did she just arrive for the Golden Week? Not like she has anything to do in Japan. She doesn't need to attend school, nor does she need to do any business stuff (I think...). Say that Hayate traveled back 10 years. He encounters her in Greece, or his journey to Japan beings (and we all know what fun will that be without any money, any acquaintances, and his misfortune! Heheh!). He could encounter Yukariko this way. Spoiler for Level 3 - Contradiction Hell: Perhaps Hayate was Himegami all the time? If Hata makes it canon that he wore a mask... Yukariko saves him, he takes care of her and her daughter, but "betrays", and leaves Nagi just when the normal Hayate arrives. So now we have time traveler Hayate and normal Hayate. Hmmm, "normal" doesn't sound all that cool... Eh, well.. I'm too lazy to come up with something. Anyhow, I don't see the point in this... damn. He went back in time to save Athena, and not to mess around with the Sanzen'in family. But wait.. Himegami was involved with the RG. Perhaps it was him who broke apart the coffin, but then again there's no reason for that since Midas is already out. DAMN ITTTTTT!! Okay, let's see... Hayate mysteriously traveled back in time (again..). How he went back is not the point. What he does is! Let's say that he takes up the name Himegami. Firstly, that would explain why we didn't see such a character, not even in a flashback yet! But at the same time it wouldn't, because it might be someone entirely different that Hata has yet to introduce. Well, either way, let's pretend that it's like that for now. But... how far back did he travel? I'm assuming that Yukariko's butler is either him or his mysterious brother, since in the person in the flashback looks a lot like him. But Hayate's brother has darker hair (possibly even black). Perhaps Hata screwed up, but let's not think of that possibility. So... did I just break the Himegami = Hayate theory? If I base it on the flashback, then he didn't wear a mask at that time. But wait! How old was Yukariko at that time anyway? Was Nagi born yet? Spoiler for Level 4 - Hahahahaha, look at the birdies!: Hmmm, what about... Nagi isn't born yet. Hayate is her father. He somehow tries to save Athena, but ultimately it doesn't end well, somehow resulting in the death of Yukariko (or perhaps even not related to the whole thing). Naw wait.. say that Yukariko's death is Mikado's fault (that's why he's trying to fix things now - well, at least I think he's trying to do that.. sort of.. perhaps? .. heh..). I don't know where to put this, but say that he started wearing a mask and calling himself Himegami after Yukariko died. Nagi was too young at that time to remember much.. no, wait.. fuck! That's not true! Nagi remembers her mother quite well. But she never recalled her father for some reason, as well as Himegami. It fits if her father was gone by the time that she could remember things, and in his stead Himegami appeared. Maybe Hayate was in a horrible state after the death of his wife (kay, this sounds silly.. his wife.. lol), and couldn't stay at the mansion anymore. Too many memories... but after a few years he returned as Himegami, because he couldn't bear leaving Nagi alone anymore. He left her again to find some sort of solution to everything just a while before "normal" Hayate was about to show up. Wait.. WAIT! Perhaps he's not Himegami after all, but his "brother". He dyed his hair jet black, and is helping every living soul in need to somehow redeem himself from what he has done... yess... it's perfect... mwahahahahha! Such a time traveling story could fit in right now (not as messed up as I made it), but wouldn't things just repeat themselves if .... say the Himegami Hayate returns and stops the Hayate from that time from traveling back in time at that point. That would end his existence, Nagi as well, and everyone that Hayate came in contact with wouldn't even remember him. Ages: Now & 10 years ago~ Hayate: (6-7) 16-17 years old Nagi: (3) 13 years old Athena: (6-7) 16-17 years old Yukariko: (18) 28 years old Maria: (7-8) 17-18 years old Maria knew about Athena. She might play an interesting role... hmhm.. Okay, this is rather annoying. How old was Nagi when Yukariko died? I'm stupid, and lazy. Someone tell me! >_< Spoiler for Still here? Things are normal again. Horray!: comes back after 20 mins of research and thinking Kay, screw everything above. I'll leave it for people to ridicule me anyway.. that's fun! Let's see... 1. Hayate's brother isn't blood related to him, so it's impossible for him to be with Yukariko in the flashback (thought about them looking alike). But for some reason if he was it would be nice, since he'd eliminate my theory that Hayate is Nagi's father. So it is Hayate, or a mysterious person that was Yukariko's butler, and possibly husband. Hata, that's a very good look alike. grinds teeth A_VERY_GOOD_ONE_INDEED! If the time traveling theory can somehow be proven, and Hayate was involved with Yukariko in a romantic relationship, then.... then... uhmm... well, he's free to choose Maria, or Athena. Maria would be very suitable as Nagi's new mother, but let's not disregard Hayate's feelings. He's still part responsible for what happened to Athena, and besides that he still loves her (it went from love to like to maybe if she still likes me, or something like that - damn, Hayate is a.. grrr). So where does Maria fit in all of this? She knew Athena, and who exactly were her parents? I'm repeating things, but Hata has already said that she'll play a very important role. It can't be important enough if she's not connected in some sort of way with the events in the past.. Spoiler for Derailing is over + conclusion: Anyway, time traveling theory aside, how could Hayate ever betray Nagi and live with himself after even Yukariko's spirit asked him to stay by her side? He'll definitely go for the third option. Whatever it may be. That's why I started with the time traveling theory in the first place. Trying to find the possible solution. I'm saying this again, because I sort of forgot what is all this about that I wrote.. hahaha. I know it's full of contradictions and a pain to read, but can someone that read it, and sort of understood my message (basically, I typed whatever came to mind) respond with a new theory in turn? ^_^ IN B4: tl;dr, what the fuck am I reading, any reaction image, WTF YOU ON, DUDE!?, sugoi monogatari aniki, etc..

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Wolfnagi Ojou-sama Familiar!!!!!!! Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: God knows where I am now....	Maybe Athena only found Hayate's stone and did't know about Aika/Wataru's stone?? That can be one possible soulution. BTW,Rah This is not "Back To The Future" This is HnG. __________________

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Wolfnagi Ojou-sama Familiar!!!!!!! Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: God knows where I am now....	ok, I just created a scenario just in case the king's jewel fall to Midas hand Spoiler for Beware, parodies from FF VI: Athena become King Gesthal and Midas become Kefka, Midas kill Athena and managed to get a body(replacing magic), Midas destroy the world and the party splits up, Then Nagi(Celes) and Maria(Sabin) managed to meet together and went searching all their friends and Hayate become Terra,they all them up and finally managed to destroy Midas and RG(Kefka's domain)Fin BTW, just finished both NDS HnG games It was awesome eventhought I don't know what they saying!! __________________ Last edited by Wolfnagi; 2009-11-21 at 08:03.

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Game8910 Shanacon/Ariafag Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: a room full of despair Age: 34	Spoiler for more pics of ch250: heh looks like hinagiku is still not done crying __________________ HEY GUYS BE NICE AND VISIT MY BLOG WILL YA? Latest Update: Spring 2011 Impressions (part1) Spring 2011 Impressions (part2)

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zodanhko ignoring Join Date: Aug 2009	10 years ago, Athena already knew that Midas had like 5 stones or more but she only wanted Hayate's stone, the original stone as she mentioned. That means Hayate's stone must be more significance than the others. Moreover, she had been searching for the stone although can't find it without realizing that the curse was lifted; that means she can differentiate the stones whether they are curse or not. It also means that none of the stones Mikado shown Athena 10 years ago was the original stone, or else Athena won't be needed to search for it.

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Rah Are you a lolicon? :3 Join Date: Aug 2009	So, does anyone know how old was Nagi when her mother died?

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l o o p Athenafag Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Argentina	This should answer you question Spoiler:

2009-11-21, 14:10	Link #4892
Rah Are you a lolicon? :3 Join Date: Aug 2009	If I didn't mess up, then... Yukariko was alive during the EoTW arc. She died a year or two later. Mikado's objective was "power" (ch 241), perhaps he changed it later, after her death? It's strange how he kept all those gems with him, but nothing ever happened to him. Yukariko also found a gem with Wataru's mom, right? I haven't read the chapter, so I dunno. Perhaps Mikado wasn't aware of that, and it slowly killed her? Perhaps the gems negative influence varies depending on the individual, or the type of gem. Hayate gets hit by cars, while Yukariko died from some disease (an unknown one at that if I'm not mistaken?? <- completely unsure if it was from disease...) Hina's parents left around the time of the EoTW arc. They might be somehow involved with the whole RG thing. Athena said that things were still getting researched in the RG. Perhaps they were researchers? Any ideas about their occupations? I think I remember bar seats, or something... hmm.. probably just me... Himegami was somehow involved with the RG. He left Nagi a while before Hayate arrived. He's around the same age as Maria and Hayate, because Maria referred to him as "-kun". I'm not sure if it's canon, or if it's from the anime, but if it is, then it's impossible for him to be involved with Yukariko in any way. Unless he's Hayate in disguise, and somehow completely deceived Maria. If Hayate's "brother" was wearing a school uniform, then he was around 16-20 at the time that the EoTW arc ended. He should be around 26-30 now. Nagi was 3 at that time. It's improbable that he was involved with Yukariko at that time. Yukariko was 22-23 when Nagi was born. He'd be around 13-17 at that time if we judge his age by being a regular student at the time of the EoTW arc. I have no idea how the Japanese school system works, but if people wear uniforms after high school, then it would be possible that he was somehow involved with her if he was older. He might have also attended school at a later age due to various circumstances, but then again, in that flashback someone with lighter hair is depicted... sigh Spoiler for Madness!: Hayate chooses Nagi. Midas somehow succeeds in attaining his gem. He fails to save Athena, and the world is just about to end. At that moment he somehow travels back in time a few years before Yukariko has Nagi. He tries to think of a solution for everything, and in the process somehow becomes Yukariko's butler. They fall in love a while after and have Nagi. He's also Himegami in disguise, and with his future knowledge gets involved with the RG to try and save Athena, but somehow everything he does leads things to how they were in the future where he's from (such misfortune.. lol). He waits for the time where his past self is about to choose Nagi, and then interrupts him. He tells him the consequences of his choice, but also states the importance of it. After that, he tells him how to prevent everything that happens in the past (past Hayate still needs to time travel, else Nagi won't be born). He doesn't tell him his relationship with Yukariko, but only the most important parts. How she has a gem in her possession that will kill her, how to stop Midas from possessing Athena, etc... So now we have 3 Hayates. Hayate from the future that time traveled to the past, Hayate yet to time travel, Hayate from the past. He stops Midas, or better yet also rescues Athena's parents. Also, he kills his own parents (yay! <3), and at the same time he fixes Hina's past. Hayate from the past ends up with Athena, and the EoTW arc has a happy end. He then continues his relationship with Yukariko. Back in normal time, Hobo Hayate from the past replaced Hayate from the present. Everyone is very confused by this, but his hobo charms (beard, jug of rum, tattered clothes, and a very "enigmatic" smell besides all the other things) lure everyone in regardless. Even Midas falls for him, leaving Athena, and throwing his world domination plans in the garbage. Mikado is very tsundere, though, but he's falling for him as well. Shortly after he makes polygamy legal, and marries everyone. The males all become his butlers, and the girls his wives. They have many, many children. FIN! Any questions? ^_^

2009-11-21, 17:15	Link #4898
Rah Are you a lolicon? :3 Join Date: Aug 2009	Nagi looks way too happy. Perhaps it's a sign that Hayate will choose Athena? It always feels the best to crush them when they're happiest! Then he'd go to her place yet again, but with Sakuya & Isumi this time. Talk a while, and then break the gem right before his eyes. Midas would leave Athena's body, but since he was in her for such a long time, he saw glimpses of her memories, or perhaps even the things she thought and did, whatever... Anyway, he'd recall that Hayate somehow ended up in the RG without owning a gem. Even Nagi's mom said that he truly goes anywhere he's called, or something like that. In short, he'd possess Hayate, preventing Isumi from banishing him to hell. Then using his mysterious powers, he would gain entry to the RG once more. The girls would then join forces to save him. Conveniently, he'd forget to close the path behind him, being blinded by his greed, and the power that he'll hold once more. With Athena's help, they would find the path and enter the RG to confront Midas. After an epic battle, or just a barrage of sweet words to wake Hayate from his control, things would return back to normal, or so it would seem... For a while we'd get comedy scenes, normal every day life including Athena now as well, but the perpetrator that closed the RG would make his move, or perhaps they found out already who it was when they came to rescue Hayate? Well, whatever... Anyhow, it would be bout time for Mikado to make his move, now that the path to the RG is open again. Perhaps he would go inside and close it to scheme on, or perhaps he'd appear right after Midas' defeat... Hmmm, who knows? Well, the only thing certain is that Hayate will receive a gift from Nagi for his birthday. It's June or July now, yeh? 4-5 months of manga time to go till November. Things can still change, though. Perhaps Hata will make it more dramatic by making that day really miserable for both Hayate and Nagi? That would be cool, too, in its own way. Spoiler for Not for Hina fans, or anyone that overly cares bout what I say...: They're at a shopping mall now, right? It'd be cool if someone were to push Hina down an escalator. One that goes up at that! Cheer up already, ya emo b****! Hahahaha!

2009-11-21, 17:47	Link #4899
Koroshiya_Kame_13 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Hitman League	Looks like Maria was told or realized about something (probably related to what happened to Hayate recently) but is still wondering why Hayate is depressed. Ayumu's words: "You can't regret before you even make a decision", had some impact on Hayate and apparently Hinagiku. Last edited by Koroshiya_Kame_13; 2009-11-21 at 18:04.