(CR) Nejimaki Seirei Senki: Tenkyou no Alderamin (Alderamin on the Sky)

[interupt]

tonight got special episode or something?

[Zefyris]

^No, just the detail for the time it will be aired each week on various TV channels , a well as the specific time for the first episode when it's different (which is the case for nd2,3rd,4th listed)

[Benigmatica]

Originally Posted by Zefyris

Said like that, it sounds like the original material isn't good and that it's thanks to madhouse it's good. Hope you realize it's more of the other way around? .
Not that I dislike the way madhouse is handling this so far, tho. But it's good thanks to the original material here.

Well, Alderamin has the potential to be a great anime series, but I'm worried about the pacing of it.

If Madhouse can make 2 cours of this series, I'm okay with it as. But if they'll make it 1 cour, there's a possibility of adapting the first 3 or rush things up.

[Harry Dresden]

Originally Posted by Zefyris

OK, I'm going to say it more clearly. anything with "dere" in it implicates that she has romantic feelings. Why are you assuming she has some? Did she strike you as having some right now? I saw two friends with one acting as the stopper for the other one when he's going too far. Care to say me what gives you the feeling there is any romantic between the two? Because if you don't see any, then i'm going to have you retract any "dere" label you're pushing to that character.
Is it clearer now?

well her getting jealous at him hitting on medic girl and the comedic violence she delivers to him on regular basis usually means romantic feelings in lns.

Originally Posted by Zefyris

yeah yeah yeah. You definitely need to say absolutely everything in the first episode. Including things that doesn't need top be said now for the plot. Just because someone, somewhere, may wonder about it and do not wish to wait for a proper moment in the show for that explanation. I'll propose that starting now, first episode of each series become an info dump of 2-5 hours long. That way we're sure no one will have any question remaining. *smh*

Not everything but at least the basics so the viewer does not feel lost in terms of the setting or characters.

Right now the only concrete thing in the story is the MC( who is basically a more perverted Yang Wen-li).

Originally Posted by Zefyris

That's the only thing you took from that? She's freaking emperor family. She's having no problem to act not only the par but also tolerate and allow everything needed by the situation right away, to admit her mistake, and to even move to help peoples. As a 12 years old from the Emperor Family she should just be used to be served, having someone dress her, and so on. Having everyone face against the ground is the kind of relationship she should have had her whole life. Yet she doesn't have any problem with discussing calmly with them face to face. When she could have ordered them despite what Ikuta said to her, and even order Ikta to be arrested/killed for what he did, instead she recognised her mistake, and left the decision to them.

I don't think princess starting a shouting rant about how they have to win and push through counts as discussing tactics. I mean literally, the MC had to shut her up with his hand to stop it.
If the show was supposed to show her as smart or capable as you imply then the show failed.

And from this, you deduce she's a moe klutz. The point isn't about me knowing more than you, but about you making conclusion from -as you yourself admitted-basically almost nothing. What part above has anything to do with being a klutz?

Her personality? her failing the exam three times?
And yes, that's all we have to go by now so obviously it is by what the characters are judged now. As I said, it might change or it might not as the show progresses, I am talking only about now.

Originally Posted by Zefyris

That could have been done yeah. What would you have removed in the episode to get that tho?

As I already said the pointless scene before the opening? There are couple of other comedic scenes that do not seem to serve any real purpose too. I'd rather have a concrete exposition on where and what is going on than instead follow six characters I don't know anything about trying to survive something I have no idea about.

Originally Posted by Zefyris

So you wanted to know how gun works right from the first episode too. You really wanted a 48mn-1h long episode, don't you.

Knowing it is not normal guns and that using swords has an advantage would be enough. Right now assuming it is anime logic is not out of the left field.

You mean, experience like boogiepop phantom, jinrui wa suitai shimashita, spice and wolf, baccano, durarara, Fate/Zero, Gosick, Kara no Kyoukai, rokka no yuusha and the like? Well, doesn't sounds like a worrisome experience to me.

Sorry but for every of those shows we also get like ten thousand versions of SAO, Grimgar, Asterisk War, Mahouka, DanMachi and thousands of other isekai and magic school stories with nearly identical premise.

We literally had two almost identical LN shows in terms of premise and characters just last year airing at once!(Asterisk and Rakudai, altho Rakudai ended up being decent). And then the exact same premise was used next season again.

You might be angry at people having biased expectations towards LN adaptations but that's just reality of the market and experiences available.

For example, If Studio WIT were to announce a post-apocalyptic anime for next season, would you blame people thinking it will be another AOT clone?

[James Rye]

Hm, the character's faces feels a bit different from the manga. Too bad they skipped how Ikta has hit on that older lady before having to run off to the ship. That guy is such a MILF lover. xD

Originally Posted by Wandering Soul

I know. It's sort of weird to be told that he hates handsome men when ironically he's the best looking guy in the anime.

Well, in the manga he was "not really that handsome" and had that great lazy look on all the time, in the anime he looks way fitter and tougher and 20% more bishie. But after a couple episodes, i think I gonna get used to that new look. That is if they don't mess up that coming episode...

[larethian]

Originally Posted by abhjetgon

Man, 1 thing is pretty clear from anime community's reaction to ep 1 :

Alderamin's greatest failure was being published & labeled as a Light Novel

"usual ln infodump & babble"
"typical ln redhead"
"generic self insert mc"
"cliche LN harem"

the ann review from hope chapman in particular, lol

Personally, I'd never take ANN reviews seriously. They feel very amateurish imo; also tend to be overly critical about a show with just one episode, as if it never occurred to them that it takes time for a story to reveal itself or the reviewers start acting like time travellers.

Many anime viewers also have poor understanding of the LN market which actually can be pretty diverse. Alderamin is one of those series that has gotten zero votes from public polls but still stands strong in rankings in an established LN ranking magazine thanks to backing from industry insiders and established interest groups. While I cannot know for sure what kind of people participated in the public polls, based on the vote distributions observed, they seemed to be largely made up of people who tend to favor series like SAO, Index, etc. and supposedly 'better' harem/romcom series which have gotten animes previously.

So bottomline, don't be too concerned with what ANN reviewers think.

[DarkDooM]

Originally Posted by Harry Dresden

well her getting jealous at him hitting on medic girl and the comedic violence she delivers to him on regular basis usually means romantic feelings in lns.

Are we still watching the same series? She seemed slightly annoyed by his actions and that's all. There was really nothing in this first episode that suggested any sort of romantic feelings coming from her.
I suggest that you try not to put every character you see into certain boxes.
Also, there has been no comedic violence so far.

[Zefyris]

Originally Posted by Harry Dresden

well her getting jealous at him hitting on medic girl and the comedic violence she delivers to him on regular basis usually means romantic feelings in lns.

Can you please, I don't know.. Stop that? There is no" regular basis in LN" "generic in LN" or whatever. You're full of bias. Also, Notice how she waited so long before stopping him. She acted as a stopper when he was really going too far, but didn't mind especially anything else. No emotion, anger or whatever too, simply stopping him calmly. And warning her that she'd rather n,ot let him do as he please (but her tone of voice clearly tell that she's completely not minding if she lets him) If she really had feeling for him, she wouldn't have reacted that way, you know?

Not everything but at least the basics so the viewer does not feel lost in terms of the setting or characters.

The thing is, what you want to know and call the basis is as a matter of fact different of what other peoples want to know and call the basis. There arer also lots of peoples who do NOT want to have too much info right away as they find that boring. A LOT of peoples. How do you handle all that then? By telling all of that across the story rather than at the beginning.

Right now the only concrete thing in the story is the MC( who is basically a more perverted Yang Wen-li).

He's quite a bit like Yang Wenli, yes. Clever than him but womaniser.
Yang Wenli was pretty much an almost perfect human being, from his ideals to his behaviour. His only "downside" was more something that could be liked than detested.
Whereas Ikta's "downside" will annoy a lot of peoples and is already annoying some (especially "feminists" seem to already hate him and hope for him to reform himself in the future of the story ). For me, I 'd say that's better that way. He does great things but he also have huge behaviour problems here and there. He feels more human that way.

I don't think princess starting a shouting rant about how they have to win and push through counts as discussing tactics. I mean literally, the MC had to shut her up with his hand to stop it.
If the show was supposed to show her as smart or capable as you imply then the show failed.

Seems like you failed to see the scene where she's saying to everyone that they should take their time and decide by themselves (in other words "I'm not going to order you around, the majority will decide") This may seem natural nowadays to have the majority decide in such case, but remember who she is. She's a monarchy that basically just took on herself to let everyone do their democracy freely. She's 12 years old, in the middle of enemy territory. Do you realize how huge this was?

Her personality? her failing the exam three times?
And yes, that's all we have to go by now so obviously it is by what the characters are judged now. As I said, it might change or it might not as the show progresses, I am talking only about now.

So you judge peoples and put them in boxes without even having started to know them then? That's great, man.

As I already said the pointless scene before the opening? There are couple of other comedic scenes that do not seem to serve any real purpose too. I'd rather have a concrete exposition on where and what is going on than instead follow six characters I don't know anything about trying to survive something I have no idea about.

The thing that last for 10 sec? Looks a bit short to have something like a map and explanation coming with it, don't you think?

Knowing it is not normal guns and that using swords has an advantage would be enough. Right now assuming it is anime logic is not out of the left field.

You actually knows that already. They call it "air rifle". And they put a spirit of wind inside. It's obvious it's not a normal gun. It's obvious it's not working with black powder to send the projectiles.

Sorry but for every of those shows we also get like ten thousand versions of SAO, Grimgar, Asterisk War, Mahouka, DanMachi and thousands of other isekai and magic school stories with nearly identical premise.
We literally had two almost identical LN shows in terms of premise and characters just last year airing at once!(Asterisk and Rakudai, altho Rakudai ended up being decent). And then the exact same premise was used next season again.

There is almost no Isekai anime, talk about exaggerating everything, as expected.
There's like 3-4 series adapted from Light novel each season. With probably around half of them being better than most adapted manga of the same year.
But go on, just because you have one or two magic school harem each season (just to say, it's fitting a niche for peoples interested in that. Light novel or not has nothing to do with it, you're going to get one every time or almost no matter the source), then suddenly there's 10,000 like that for each title I could list that isn't like that, eh? Tell you what, i'm pretty sure I can list more titles adapted from LN that are very good than you can list titles similar to what you're talking about. Want to play that game? Because I still have quite a good amount of titles to list on my side, so go on. Right now btw I already listed more than you .

You might be angry at people having biased expectations towards LN adaptations but that's just reality of the market and experiences available.

Sorry, but watching anime for 25+ years, reading five hundred LN volumes and knowing far more than that on top of it, I'd say I know the "reality of the market and the experience available" enough.

For example, If Studio WIT were to announce a post-apocalyptic anime for next season, would you blame people thinking it will be another AOT clone?

*incline head* Of course I would say they're stupid. Exactly like for peoples thinking that stories about being trapped in a video game are SAO clones, for example. What is stupid is stupid. But what you're doing isn't like your example tho.
What you're doing is this : "I've red X manga, they were almost all ecchi stories with teenagers. So most manga are ecchi stories with teenagers so the manga media is shit, because even if you can list me exceptions there 10,000 like that for each exception"
That's exactly what you did right here. Sorry but there is more than just "exceptions" in LN.

[Haak]

First impressions are so, so. It held my attention and didn’t do anything fatally wrong but nothing stood out for me either.

I think it should've done a bit more worldbuilding before jumping straight into the plot though. That being said, I'm slightly surprised that this is an LN adaptation. Other than the way the narrative fawns on the main character, nothing really stood out for me that suggested that this was based on a light novel. If I were to have guessed, I would've assumed it was based on a game, particularly due to the fact that a lot of game adaptations I've seen recently start out similarly underwhelming and lacking in worldbuilding (e.g Tales of Zestria, God Eater and Gunslinger Stratos). No idea why I'm seeing that pattern in the first place but it's just what I've noticed a lot recently. I guess maybe this show having similar characters designs to Gunslinger Stratos might've contributed (which btw, I'm not a fan of). I'm not expecting this to be as awesome as Rokka no Yuusha (another fantasy LN adaptation) but it would be nice if it had that same sincerity for storytelling that Rokka no Yuusha had.

[Darthtabby]

My first episode impression of the characters was more or less lecherous male lead, serious warrior girl, useless guy, ditzy medic, lackadaisical pretty boy, borderline loli princess. Yeah, its the first episode, but other series manage to do better than this with just one episode, so that's not really much of an excuse.

On the other hand I don't really feel there was a need for a lot more exposition (though the princess travelling incognito and apparently unescorted aboard a regular passenger ship could use some explanation).

The episode could have done with less of the characters sitting/standing/lying around talking in their cabin aboard ship. Aesthetically, the character's civilian clothes seem like they're from a different historical era than the more modern looking military uniforms it appears they'll eventually be wearing.

On the plus side the combination of magic and technology is kind of interesting. Overall, its at least better than the first episode of Qualidea Code.

[abhjetgon]

@D-Joe neogaf is good place then

@larethian I wasnt really bothered by them, it was just odd when most people dismissed alderamin, it was done with "stuff, stuff Light novel-y stuff stuff"

@harry dresden thing is you're trying to put the characters in usual anime archetypes by first episode. The characters are for more human here, than the usual tropes - you will see as the series progresses.

If I have to point out a mistake on Anime's part - it would be it's handling of humour. In trying to condense the fast going scenes with "no more than necessary" exposition, the comedy is somewhat lost.

For example I saw people say Ikta was annoying based on how he acted with haromi, which comes off more playful in the LN.

[Zefyris]

Originally Posted by Haak

That being said, I'm slightly surprised that this is an LN adaptation. Other than the way the narrative fawns on the main character, nothing really stood out for me that suggested that this was based on a light novel..

I can answer that. That's because you're having a completely wrong idea of what a LN is. There is no such "things that suggest it's based on a LN" in LN. Those are basicall ynovels, with as much variety as any novel list from any country.

BTW for the novels, I'm only rating Rokka 1 point higher than Alderamin out of 10. And both are in my top 10 so far.

Originally Posted by abhjetgon

If I have to point out a mistake on Anime's part - it would be it's handling of humour. In trying to condense the fast going scenes with "no more than necessary" exposition, the comedy is somewhat lost.

YEah that's a problem. Well the director is a newbie, so that's was expected. At least he's trying to respect the material so far, even if the way he's doing is lacking any form of genius camera handling, and so on. That's still something~

[Haak]

Originally Posted by Zefyris

I can answer that. That's because you're having a completely wrong idea of what a LN is. There is no such "things that suggest it's based on a LN" in LN. Those are basicall ynovels, with as much variety as any novel list from any country.

Not really no.

I'm fully aware that the Light Novel medium can have plenty of variety (I would be surprised if it didn't), but a large portion of LN adaptations have all been fairly similar in their use of meta humor and/or strong (often overbearing) self awareness. I'm also far more likely to see certain settings from LN adaptations than, for example, manga sources (e.g magical acadamies). A few anomalies aren't going to shift that pattern.

Though whilst we're on the subject of the variety in the Light Novel medium, I'm curious what your opinion is on this.

[felix]

Remember reading a bit of the manga (first few chapters) a while back. Seems like a faithful adaptation. Very good quality too.

@Haak it has the usual tropes but it's actually somewhat nonstandard in many areas. I can kind of see how it might at the moment fit into the usual nonsense, but give it few episodes.

Unlike other shows where character just spew shit or drivel that wont have any lasting effects, this entire episode there have been ZERO wasted words from the first minute*

Also I think this is more Valkyria Chronicles then Magic Academy. As you saw this episode those little guys don't really do much other then being cute. Then again I might be completely wrong about that.

* with maybe the exception of the protagonists sexist antics a few times

[abhjetgon]

Alderamin anime Production Committee :
Warner Bros. Home Entertainment, KADOKAWA ASCII Media Works, clock works, BS Fuji, Madhouse

Madhouse is involved as a producer in prod committee, no surprise there

[orion]

I actually liked the first episode. I didn't mind the similar faces at all. It's a military anime so I'm looking forward to nice battle strategy.

[D-Joe]

Originally Posted by abhjetgon

Alderamin anime Production Committee :
Warner Bros. Home Entertainment, KADOKAWA ASCII Media Works, clock works, BS Fuji, Madhouse

Madhouse is involved as a producer in prod committee, no surprise there

Well streaming rights are printing money at nowadays, so anime studios should try every way to join the production committee.

[abhjetgon]

Alderamin #2 staff
Screenplay: Yasukawa Shogo
storyboard: Morio Asaka
ep Director: Wakabayashi Kanji
Animation Director: ZANG YOU SHICK

MORIO ASAKA STORYBOARDS ON ALDERAMIN!

IT'S LIT YOU GUYS
GG MADHOUSE

@D-Joe yep. Madhouse also doesnt do just subcontracting work anymore, so there's that.

the odd thing in the committee here is the presence of BS FUJI. Madhouse hasnt worked with FUJI TV network after NTV bought madhouse in 2011.

Now suddenly they're side by side in production committee xD

[abhjetgon]

Also, alderamin #2 sypnosys & preview images
http://alderamin.net/story/02.html

[Crazy Frog]

new character design for Commander Nothern Hazaaf Rikan and Emperor

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