(L) Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru.

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by Flying Dagger

Spoiler:

There is a little more before the those two lines:
Ebina:
"I really really like my current self and the people around me. Having been like this for a very long time, losing it is really regretful..... I like the current state I am in, as well as people around me.
"Therefore, I hate myself."


That is why, everyone is a liar.
But I am the biggest liar of all.


//**
What I think:
Ebina likes the stability of the present, but she also hate herself for the lack of courage of a change. This may imply deep down she may actually want to accept the confession but is just afraid of the effects it may bring to circle she is in: what will people think? React? What if things do not work out?
Tobe is an attractive target among the girls: so by accepting his confession she may damage her relationship with other girls.

So I guess, in a way Hachiman's solution is not a solution but just something to buy time. He may have to come back and fix this (Tobe is not giving up - he thinks Hachiman is a worthy rival and is on good terms with him) some time in the future.

The "biggest liar" therefore may also be Hachiman's unwillingness to accept changes, just like Ebina.

If you read even deeper (combine the idea of the last two lines): what if Hachiman actually knows his solution is "a solution but not the solution", his choice to tackle the problem in a less "desirable" way may be caused by Hachiman seeing a shadow of his own situation in Ebina.

I disagree. You forget that

Spoiler:

Hachiman called everyone a liar. I think he believes that no one is really satisfied with their current situation or hates who they are.

That's why he called himself the biggest liar of them all: he's said how he doesn't need an enjoyable youth since the beginning of the series, but he really does like having friends.

I think the line is also meant to contrast with Yukino's "I am not a person who tells lies" line. It's not that Yukino herself is completely honest, but that she is a character that does not hesitate to show what she wants or what she is thinking.

By contrast, with all of Hachiman's "solutions" he is intentionally being the villain or scapegoat and never actually gives his true personal opinions at all.

[kobester11]

Originally Posted by icebreaker

Spoiler for spoiler:

That's about how this series could go, because things will get bad for Yui if she starts dating Hachiman. But I still wonder how this will affect Yukino's relationship with Yui and whether Yukino wants to risk hurting her only friend.

Some ideas out here : Hachiman starts treating Yui badly ignoring the social consequences, like I said above, because he knows that things will get bad for Yui if she dates him. While Yukino understands what Hachiman is doing, she can't do anything because she wants to stand on her only friend's side. The series ends with graduation and Hachiman's youth romantic comedy has gone totally wrong, as he expected.

In fact that sounds like a plausible ending. What do you guys think about it?

That's a pretty sad ending even for this series! >.<

[Flying Dagger]

Spoiler for my shot at the future:

One key problem:
Who does Hachiman like? Sure, he is attracted to Yukino's beauty (her appearances always have this "an angel has descended" vibe, but does not mean he wants to start a relationship with her (yet).

Yui is getting "impatient".

Knowing Hachiman, he might "accept" Yui if she confesses to him as an act of self sacrifice (once again he did not consider Yukino, and for the third time Yukino was not chosen).

Would like to see Yukino pretend as if everything is normal but eventually break down, making Hachiman realize his solution is not as well thought out as he would like. On the other hand Yui would realize Hachiman really doesn't like her that much romantically and ends up getting depressed as well. (insert Saki somewhere in this - I think she is starting to have some interest as well)

In the end he would call the girls out and apologize for being such an ass. They slap him at the same time (one slap each cheek) and they somewhat go back to being friends. Out of all this mess Yukino realize her own feelings and is also noted by Yui and Hachiman.

(insert "filler volumes")

Then comes the volume which explores Yukino's family: this has been hinted before, with Haruno telling Hachiman that her mother is even "stronger" than her. Hachiman throws himself into the fray and his awkward but self harming nature granted him a good impression from her parents.

Then someone comes along (Shizuka?) and makes Hachiman face the reality: why would he go to such lengths for Yukino.

Then we progress to the final volumes where Yukino and Hachiman are free to develop their relationship, with a Hachiman style confession.

I can see Yukino giving some epic tsundere reply
"you have always been a piece of shit"
"you sit around doing nothing all day long with your rotten fish eyes"
"you have no ambition, you goal in life is to rot at home at the expense of women"
"you have no sense of shame. I am ashamed to even be in the same room as you"
"you are a horrible liar. You keep telling others about wanting to be a loner yet you keep poking your nose into other people's businesses"
"yet you never think about how others will feel"
"because of you I have gone through hell in my high school year"
"but nevertheless, I have also fallen in love with you"

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

Spoiler:

Hachiman called everyone a liar. I think he believes that no one is really satisfied with their current situation or hates who they are.

Spoiler:

You are right.
I guess people appear to be satisfied because they do not want nothing to change.
People (esp Hayato) just don't know what to do- they have no solutions of their own. So they tossed the ball to Hachiman.
While his solution may have gave them relief (by buying more time), he failed to tackle the root of the problem, so no one is really happy.

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

Spoiler:

she is a character that does not hesitate to show what she wants or what she is thinking.

This part I do not totally agree. She seem to like to keep things to herself. Yui openly calls her a friend but she is very hesitant in admitting even that. Remember the part when she used the word "friend" but immediately corrected herself with "club member"?
[/spoiler]

[kivredia]

Originally Posted by Flying Dagger

Spoiler for my shot at the future:

One key problem:
Who does Hachiman like? Sure, he is attracted to Yukino's beauty (her appearances always have this "an angel has descended" vibe, but does not mean he wants to start a relationship with her (yet).

Yui is getting "impatient".

Knowing Hachiman, he might "accept" Yui if she confesses to him as an act of self sacrifice (once again he did not consider Yukino, and for the third time Yukino was not chosen).

Would like to see Yukino pretend as if everything is normal but eventually break down, making Hachiman realize his solution is not as well thought out as he would like. On the other hand Yui would realize Hachiman really doesn't like her that much romantically and ends up getting depressed as well. (insert Saki somewhere in this - I think she is starting to have some interest as well)

In the end he would call the girls out and apologize for being such an ass. They slap him at the same time (one slap each cheek) and they somewhat go back to being friends. Out of all this mess Yukino realize her own feelings and is also noted by Yui and Hachiman.

(insert "filler volumes")

Then comes the volume which explores Yukino's family: this has been hinted before, with Haruno telling Hachiman that her mother is even "stronger" than her. Hachiman throws himself into the fray and his awkward but self harming nature granted him a good impression from her parents.

Then someone comes along (Shizuka?) and makes Hachiman face the reality: why would he go to such lengths for Yukino.

Then we progress to the final volumes where Yukino and Hachiman are free to develop their relationship, with a Hachiman style confession.

I can see Yukino giving some epic tsundere reply
"you have always been a piece of shit"
"you sit around doing nothing all day long with your rotten fish eyes"
"you have no ambition, you goal in life is to rot at home at the expense of women"
"you have no sense of shame. I am ashamed to even be in the same room as you"
"you are a horrible liar. You keep telling others about wanting to be a loner yet you keep poking your nose into other people's businesses"
"yet you never think about how others will feel"
"because of you I have gone through hell in my high school year"
"but nevertheless, I have also fallen in love with you"

more like

Spoiler:

"you have always been a piece of shit"
"you sit around doing nothing all day long with your rotten fish eyes"
"you have no ambition, you goal in life is to rot at home at the expense of women"
"you have no sense of shame. I am ashamed to even be in the same room as you"
"you are a horrible liar. You keep telling others about wanting to be a loner yet you keep poking your nose into other people's businesses"
"yet you never think about how others will feel"
"because of you I have gone through hell in my high school year"
"but I guess I'm the only one who is talented enough to put up with someone horrible like you"
"so I guess it's inevitable that we spend more time together"

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by Flying Dagger

This part I do not totally agree. She seem to like to keep things to herself. Yui openly calls her a friend but she is very hesitant in admitting even that. Remember the part when she used the word "friend" but immediately corrected herself with "club member"?

Even then, she acted to defend Yui (and because Yumiko pissed her off). With Hachiman it's more difficult to tell what he's planning until after he's done it.

Another way to word it is that when comparing Hachiman and Yukino's "solutions", Yukino's methods are very simple. Having trouble making good cookies? Get better with practice. Need help at the festival? Work harder.
Hachiman's methods are far more roundabout in comparison. I don't think I need to explain this part.

Maybe "honest" isn't the right word for Yukino, but I do think she is far more direct and what she does than Hachiman or anyone else in the service club. Actions speak louder than words, and Yukino's solutions do not betray her pride or feelings. Hachiman always sacrifices his in order to get the job done. Even in the first case with Yui, he had to embarrass himself with the "friend of a friend" story where he got rejected to prove a point. Does anyone honestly believe he's not bothered by it one bit?

I think it still hurts him, but he's just simply used to it.

[sandhy88]

Just who are the "comrade" of Hachiman and knew what the meaning of his action?

It's was so sad that no one know what he sacrifice for. TToTT

[blackwhite67]

Is it safe to say that Haruno is rooting for 8man? Has she given her opinion on Hayato?

[runset]

Originally Posted by blackwhite67

Is it safe to say that Haruno is rooting for 8man? Has she given her opinion on Hayato?

rather than rooting she really targeted hachiman as a potential partner(do not know if it mean as a lover or as a family). Both haruno and 8man's sister is the same type of woman (sweet outside but devious inside) so it's not weird if haruno takes a interest in 8man. Haruno even said that it was a little regretfull to pair up hachiman and yukino.(i know she mean to agitated yukino to take action but she's a little serious when she said it).

Just who are the "comrade" of Hachiman and knew what the meaning of his action?

It's was so sad that no one know what he sacrifice for. TToTT

there are only 5 people (+3 if you counted the one involved in the matter) that i know who really know what 8man's doing and really knew his action.
- sensei
- yui
- yukino
- haruno
- his sister
for the one involved in the matter
- the popular soccer guy who want to confessed
- ebina
both feel gratitude toward 8man and ebina even hate herself for letting 8man do all of this
- and the last one would be hayato. He used 8man to make the relationship between the circle. Maybe he 's thinking that 8man already been hated by all of the student because what happen in the festival so it would not make any difference if 8man does anything.

[blackwhite67]

Hayato wants to be with Yukino? Ha! This coming from a guy who was too goody-two-shoes to sacrifice himself for his supposed friends relationship and had to resort to using 8man.

BTW, Kakeru Tobe, the popular soccer guy, is he the guy with the pink sweater in the anime?

[Flying Dagger]

Haruno is leagues ahead of Komachi, who can be quite devious at times but is just a child's ploy.

Komachi just wants his brother to get a girlfriend (and occasionally displays her brocon characteristics).
Haruno is interested in who Hachiman is to Yukino. I think Hachiman reminds her of Hayato (Yukino and Hayato's past has yet to be revealed) as another male who is close to Yukino. I think she will test Hachiman while trying to connect Hachiman with Yukino (I have a feeling she is always judging him).
Shizuka I believe is neutral to all sides. I see her as the one who can help Hachiman clear his mind and push him towards the direction he desires.

I don't see Hayato as a threat between Hachiman and Yukino: whatever they experienced in the past stays in the past. Hayato's primary role is to act as the antithesis of Hachiman.

[kobester11]

Originally Posted by kivredia

more like

Spoiler:

"you have always been a piece of shit"
"you sit around doing nothing all day long with your rotten fish eyes"
"you have no ambition, you goal in life is to rot at home at the expense of women"
"you have no sense of shame. I am ashamed to even be in the same room as you"
"you are a horrible liar. You keep telling others about wanting to be a loner yet you keep poking your nose into other people's businesses"
"yet you never think about how others will feel"
"because of you I have gone through hell in my high school year"
"but I guess I'm the only one who is talented enough to put up with someone horrible like you"
"so I guess it's inevitable that we spend more time together"

I was giggling like a little girl when I read this

how about:

Spoiler for added some:

"say yukinoshita, could we become frie-"
"before you finish that can I say something first?"
"you have always been a piece of shit"
"you sit around doing nothing all day long with your rotten fish eyes"
"you have no ambition, you goal in life is to rot at home at the expense of women"
"you have no sense of shame. I am ashamed to even be in the same room as you"
"you are a horrible liar. You keep telling others about wanting to be a loner yet you keep poking your nose into other people's businesses"
"yet you never think about how others will feel"
"because of you I have gone through hell in my high school year"
"but I guess I'm the only one who is talented enough to put up with someone horrible like you"
"so I guess it's inevitable that we spend more time together"
"so...uhm...going back to your question..."
"...yes"
"you could just have said that in the first place"
"thus my boring high school life came to an end"
"a lot of things happened, good things, bad things..."
"but seriously..."
"my Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong as I Expected"

sorry, not really good at english...

[icebreaker]

Originally Posted by runset

- and the last one would be hayato. He used 8man to make the relationship between the circle. Maybe he 's thinking that 8man already been hated by all of the student because what happen in the festival so it would not make any difference if 8man does anything.

I don't think Hayato is a bad guy. He might seem like it because he has been the polar opposite to how the main lead of this novel is, but in the end he's just at a loss on what to do (mostly because he also cares about his own appearance). In volume 6 he said "Why can it only be done that way" and he broke down in volume 7 not knowing what to do. Sure he pitied Hachiman in volume 7 and that angered him, but neither do I think Hayato pitied Hachiman in order to make fun of him, he's pitying Hachiman out of pity. And yes he knows about the cultural festival stuff, even turned the attention away from people blaming Hachiman at the start of volume 7.

I think Hayato represents most kind people in this world - while they are kind to people, they also care about themselves. Hachiman is just batman level.

[waffler]

does the teacher have any feelings for him at this point?

[Okashira]

Originally Posted by waffler

does the teacher have any feelings for him at this point?

You know, this series characterizes specially for not being very sublte about that (most things just point at being at she being into playing "onee-san figure", though). Yui is like the only one who is crystal clear in that aspect.

Hachiman was moved to tears when Shizuka said "riajuu bakuhatsu shiro", if I'm not mistaken but that's sand for another sack.

[kobester11]

Watching episode 4 was like reading the novel in fast forward...

[icebreaker]

Originally Posted by kobester11

Watching episode 4 was like reading the novel in fast forward...

Most novel adaptations gets that kind of treatment.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by icebreaker

Most novel adaptations gets that kind of treatment.

Some are more obvious than others.

[Flying Dagger]

I think this LN isn't exactly the easiest one to animate without making it overly boring for people. A lot of the soliloquies, thoughts, and conversation between characters (which essentially just makes it audio drama) cannot really be shown.

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by Flying Dagger

I think this LN isn't exactly the easiest one to animate without making it overly boring for people. A lot of the soliloquies, thoughts, and conversation between characters (which essentially just makes it audio drama) cannot really be shown.

It doesn't mean it's not possible. KyoAni managed to keep most of Kyon's internal thoughts intact for Haruhi, and Houtarou for Hyouka. I think it just requires more effort than the average studio is willing to give, especially when money is involved.

[kobester11]

Originally Posted by Flying Dagger

I think this LN isn't exactly the easiest one to animate without making it overly boring for people. A lot of the soliloquies, thoughts, and conversation between characters (which essentially just makes it audio drama) cannot really be shown.

Well, some series managed to pull it off (e.g. kokoro connect - what made the LN good was because of the inner thoughts/ different perspective of the 5 characters. What the hell happened to the anime? They cut it off... still, despite the pranking issue. the anime is popular amongst the fans and consider it quite good)

ep 4 was despite being fast, was kinda boring to watch. perhaps thats the directors fault...