2014-03-27, 13:27 | Link #12601 | |
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by the way i just said that "is unavoidable unless something change" wich means even i agree there are chances of she not get married, but i think if that come true it wouldn't be due to a change in her resolve, i think it is more likely to be something circustantial. |
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2014-03-27, 13:33 | Link #12602 | |
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Miya probably could've been paired up with a magician from one of the 10 families, or one of the hundreds families, but she wasn't she was paired with Tatsurou. Why? He had a huge psion count. Also, he was someone the yotsuba could effectively use, buy off and control, which they preceded to do. Tatsurou is essentially non existent in the over all hierarchy of the Yotsuba Clan. So Miyuki could go through a similar process, Or they could do the whole artificial insemination thing to keep outsiders out of the clan. The Yotsuba are really exclusive, The Yotsuba clan are only those with Yotsuba blood, The Yotsuba clan only welcome those with Yotsuba blood. Even that isn't 100% since Tatsuya is barely included in the Yotsuba clan hierarchy himself. Some would say he has zero inclusion but I disagree since he's occasionally exerted some influence of his own that most Guardians would never be capable of. There's also the fact of the other Guardians, the Sakura series basically harvested for exclusive Yotsuba use. Female heirs are also a tricky thing since it largely depends on having a proper and capable male suitor that also would have absolutely no influence over Miyuki's authority. If Miyuki did artificial insemination, The Yotsuba clan would remain as centralized as ever, with Miyuki of the Yotsuba line having Yotsuba children that would have zero influence from those outside of the Yotsuba. Putting aside the moral argument, the science argument, and just focusing on the reasoning of the Yotsuba remaining secretive, exclusive and centralized provides a valid argument on why Miyuki may not need to marry after all. Unless there's secretly a suitor that's been prepared off screen for some time now that meets all the vital Criteria in a similar way Tatsurou did. As in, an impressive magician by today's standards, not from a great family, and would never have internal influence. |
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2014-03-27, 13:35 | Link #12603 | |
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2014-03-27, 13:36 | Link #12604 | |
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2014-03-27, 13:40 | Link #12605 | |
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Not really what i would call inevitable. |
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2014-03-27, 13:43 | Link #12606 |
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Its very nice to ship your characters but try not to forget about the established facts in the Ln otherwise it has no weight, and it leaves holes in the theorys. Lately there have been some shipping that has been ignoring things stated in the Ln and ignoring what we know of peoples characters.
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2014-03-27, 13:51 | Link #12608 | |
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The Elder don't get involved in the ten family problems and yotsuba maya said herself that against Tatsuya she would probably lose. And it's not like Tatsuya is alone anyways, since besides being an irregular magician, he also has irregular friends. Well at the end you were just joking anyways |
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2014-03-27, 14:12 | Link #12609 | |||||
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It's not the "world" that Miyuki has to be concerned about. It's the Yotsuba. Quote:
Once again, if Tatsuya were a brocon....well, there wouldn't be any issues about him and Miyuki having children. Quote:
Basically you have the order wrong. What Miyuki wants, is what Tatsuya wants. If Miyuki wants to marry some nobody off the street, Tatsuya will support her. If Miyuki wants him to show off, he will show off. If Miyuki wants him to join competitions, he will join competitions. What MIYUKI wants goes. Quote:
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The only magic he gained from the Yotsuba experiment was to do "normal" magic. His in-born magic was too powerful so he couldn't use anything else. |
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2014-03-27, 14:35 | Link #12610 | |
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About messing up the terms, i've been reading "No Game No life", and since they are both in love, and it's often used siscon and brocon i messed them up again like i ussualy do. And i probably don't know which one is the rigth one. But i guess this is only an excuse About Miyuki, well she want's her brother happiness and her brother can only be happy with her, so it will end up in stalemate. And I doubt Tatsuya would allow miyuki to marry someone off the street. Tatsuya want what's best for Miyuki, and Miyuki wants her brother to be happy. Also When I meant tatsuya being purchased i was speaking about as a kid, like those soldeir kids that are trained to use guns, and afterwards binding him to the family using miyuki. I din't meant buying him with money to make him loyal. He also gained flash cast by using the experiment if i recall? Migth be Wrong. I can't give u the quote but i know it's somewhere around volume 2 or 3, but I won't reread this novel again atleast until i enter vacations. But i guess what you said is somewhat the same as i did. |
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2014-03-27, 14:59 | Link #12611 | ||
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While the Yotsuba are pretty archaic, ruthless and use magic to mess with the mind, I don't think its ever been indicated that the Yotsuba have done any actual genetic experimentation or birth related experimentation aside from matching suitably talented partners together.
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So the pressure would be heavy and even if she refused it would continue to be applied. She and Tatsuya can't go around threatening annihilation at everyone since not everyone would be cowed be such terror tactics, and there are always those who never learn and don't know any better. Also, the 2 haven't yet been shown to be crazy dictators that would kill their fellow countrymen over such things. Quote:
The other options though would either produce short lived offspring or would be just as detestable to Miyuki, and don't carry the positives of being acceptable in classy magician society's eyes as well as possibly forging political ties. Even if she doesn't marry, the reason she would not want to and what she wishes for will remain unfilled, unless she gains Tatsuya as a lover. |
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2014-03-27, 15:00 | Link #12612 | |
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Second priority: Miyuki's desires Marrying somone off the street posses no problems to Tatsuya if Miyuki actually wants it, he would make an effort to help Miyuki in anything she wants as long as it doesn't compromise her safety, and even if it does he will at least look into a problem to find a viable solution that doesn't. If Tatsuya thinks there is something wrong with something Miyuki wants he will inform her, but in the end folds to her as long as it doesn't compromise her saftey. Last edited by Ultraviolet X; 2014-03-27 at 16:07. Reason: Corrections |
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2014-03-27, 15:21 | Link #12613 | |||||
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Artificial insemination, it happens, today, on humans, no genetic experimentation involved. Quote:
There is no need for force, or even threat of force. Only one who can order it is Maya, and she is not insane enough to push the issue if Miyuki really puts her foot down. Quote:
When the option presented is superior in every way to forced loveless marriage with someone she does not give a shit about? Quote:
Why would Miyuki detest a child she carried? Why would she detest it more than the offspring that comes with a loveless marriage? And why is the options "loveless marriage" and "incest"? As for shortened lifespan argument... Artificial Insemination is done, today, on humans, with no ill effects. |
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2014-03-27, 15:22 | Link #12614 | |
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I agree with most of what you said, but on this point you are wrong j4n1.
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One question though, does anyone know if the webnovel is still running and what volume they are or ended? Also has anyone though that miyuki migth be an hardcore yandere, that only allows tatsuya to have friends(mostly female), so he can regain lost emotions? Last edited by DarkSilverSky; 2014-03-27 at 15:23. Reason: Typing2fast |
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2014-03-27, 15:29 | Link #12615 | ||
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Maya ain't stupid, she knows that if Miyuki says no, that's it. They can nag any amount they want, but they can't force the issue. |
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2014-03-27, 15:40 | Link #12617 |
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I don't find Maya, as the villan people make her out to be. I think she migth turn out to be kinda of Tatsuya friend/allie. I just don't think she is a bad person and she can probably relate to tatsuya or not. This is just my speculation, and there isen't even an ounce of proves.
Well even though we are talking about Miyuki marriage, i don't think the story will go that way. The author said so far he only planned to make the story about highschool, with the first year having 11 volumes and the second and third having 6 volumes each(I read this in this forum, but who's gonna cheack 600 pages of discussion :P). The idea i get, is that the last arc/volumes will be about her marriage, and breaking of the relation with the family and that will be the end(or maybe we will get a twist, who knows) . |
2014-03-27, 15:43 | Link #12618 | ||
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and Miyuki is secretly using others to slowly build up Tatsuya's emotions back so she can then precede to continue to monopolize his new improved and stronger emotions the same way she monopolizes his stunted emotions? DEVIOUS Not sure if that's the case, but it's a fun idea. |
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2014-03-27, 15:52 | Link #12619 | |
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So yeah, i agree it can happen with Miyuki case, but as far to wiped out another shipping, that is too much. For marriage talk, is not Miyuki mother married someone she is not love with? Maybe all of you thinking too deep that you lost something that so simple. Marriage is too far yet we acted as far as we Miyuki herself. That was too much. |
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2014-03-27, 16:09 | Link #12620 | |
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Miyuki mother overused her power and lost emotions, rigth? So i don't think she even cares if she is married or not, and probably just said "whatever sure" when asked to marry. We don't really know how Yotsuba is on marriage, because we don't have a single case of a normal weeding, since romance seems fucked up on late 21 century. |
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