2013-08-23, 22:38 | Link #30201 |
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To hell with what that civilian attorney said about his first 38 years of life! She's completely out of her depth here. If he knew he was in trouble, he would have asked for a discharge on whatever ground he could come up with and then recycle himself into PMCs or something else. Yet he did fuck all, he went back there, and he is responsible for killing 16 civilians and then burning the bodies. There was absolutely zero excuse for that.
Feel compassionate about his case if you want, but I won't. For any serviceman, nothing is worth more of a capital punishment than killing children when your job is not only to fight a war, but also to represent your country as some sort of ambassador. |
2013-08-23, 22:49 | Link #30202 | |
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2013-08-23, 23:19 | Link #30204 | |
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2013-08-23, 23:36 | Link #30206 |
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What the hell does it have to do? For the record, United Kingdom, Italy, France, Germany, Canada, Australia, Poland, Netherlands, Norway, Denmark, Australia and other countries sent their troops into hostile areas at one point or another. Some of those countries sent contingents for 2-3 tours in Afghanistan and yet I've not seen one of them traumatized nor unstable enough to kill 16 civilians and then burn the bodies in one go.
All I say is that this guy should have been used as an example of a punishment for something that is exactly what not to do as a serviceman. I think it's not too much asked considering how this thing was as big as the My Lai Massacre. |
2013-08-23, 23:49 | Link #30209 | |
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Has no one learned from what happened at My Lai in order to avoid seeing civilians being massacred again? I don't talk about difference in numbers here; I talk about the harm this fool has caused both to public opinion both in the US and in Afghanistan as a result. |
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2013-08-23, 23:59 | Link #30211 | |
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2013-08-24, 00:01 | Link #30212 |
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Even if it wasn't the case, I would expect nothing short of the harshest penalty there is to the military code of the country he belongs. The fact that he was not branded the top punishment available because he pleaded guilty is what infuriates me in this case. I read a number of comments about the verdict and, trust me, there are many people who are not very happy with it. After all, it is the worst slaughtering of civilians by one or more US servicemen on the ground since Vietnam.
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2013-08-24, 00:04 | Link #30213 | |
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It never ceases to be pathetic, seeing someone attempt to pass some judgement on another person without even so much as an attempt to consider that person. What you want is for your own desires to be fulfilled. Not justice. Don't delude yourself. The U.S. justice system is already plenty warped because of such simpleminded revenge-seeking. I recommend you drop it and move on, rather than touting your own agendas.
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2013-08-24, 00:15 | Link #30214 | |
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Before you lecture me, let me tell you that I have family members and friends in the Armed Forces. Some of them served over there. No matter how much stress they endured, it was always out of the question to forget that badly what the mission is about. Then what is the excuse? That Canadian military psychiatrists work better than American military psychiatrists? Last paragraph, answer me straight if you look so good: what would have been the repercussions on other soldiers if he was found guilty and charged with death penalty? That is the big question that I want an answer from those who see nothing wrong with life imprisonment instead of what was existing above in the book. You're the one who should bugger off here. |
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2013-08-24, 00:25 | Link #30215 |
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The hate is strong in this one.
Gandhi was right. The world just goes blind. Revenge =/= justice and it doesn't take a college grad to realize that the moment we start executing everyone we feel strongly against without knowing how or why a mind works, when every mind is unique with its own set of processes, then we might as well give up on human understanding and put everyone accused of a heinous crime to the firing squad. And as someone who has worked on psych patients including one convicted of homicide, well, the more I realize how terrifying it can be when you realize how much you sometimes can't even control your own will. Which is ironic because I'm pro death penalty, and I want this man to be shot if it is proven that he did so with full and complete knowledge and control of his actions.
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Do you know the difference between life and death? The difference between a life of living punished for the crimes you've committed, and the loss of life? I can tell you now that one of those is completely meaningless. That's why it's revenge seeking. Out of sight, out of mind. Because these crimes that didn't affect us are so horrid that we must remove the perpetrator so that we may feel better about things. No need to seek justice when we can sweep it under the rug quickly, right? Quote:
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2013-08-24, 00:54 | Link #30217 |
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This is just my personal belief, but I always found execution to be an odd punishment, to me it's more like a combination of revenge and washing your hands of the situation.
Executing someone makes the victims party happy, and while the person being executed may not want it the fact is that after it's done what exactly is being punished at that point the individual is dead they don't (can't) care anymore, essentially it's just releasing them from the guilt and burden of punishment*, and the victims family receives perceived 'justice' on a primal level. * Yeah, I'm aware there are also true crazies out there that just flat out don't care though.
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2013-08-24, 02:26 | Link #30219 | |
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