2015-09-05, 18:29 | Link #41 |
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But seriously, I'd love to see if the screen writers make up some sort of comical scene where she finds something on the internet that she shouldn't, like the Princess with the comic books.
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I don't know if the laptop was in the manga, so this give the potential for some new material with regard to comedy here. Given the speed at which Lelei learns to speak the Japanese language, I would not be surprised if she would be able to read it soon, if she can't already. Which would open her up to the full world of online insanity. Also, I can only imagine what happens when the rest of the Special Region gets internet service. It would probably take centuries, but given all of the various types of humanoids in the Special Region, lets just say it would open plenty of new options for the seediest underbelly of the internet. That said, the light novels say that Spoiler for Light novel/future manga spoilers:
Still, disregarding that bit of overthinking if the internet and other technology does eventually diffuse into the Special Region, I expect there would be some rather bizarre stuff on there... |
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So by the standards of her own culture she isn't married as Itami didn't fuck her for three consecutive nights. Itami has that protective instinct for Lelei as noted by his ex-wife. Unlike Rory which may be loophole in consent laws Lelei is a definite "I'll go to jail if I touch her". |
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If the language used in the anime is the same as that used in the novels, I find it slightly doubtful that this is a matter of Lelei misunderstanding the meaning of the law. Yes, plenty of terms act as euphemisms, but the specific word used, as well as the context it's used in have a strong effect on this. I've heard "Daku"(embrace) used frequently to mean sex, but I don't think I've ever heard "Dakishimeru" (also embrace) used like that. Similarly "sleep with"(... to neru) is something I've heard used as a euphemism, but not "sleep together"(... to ISSHO NI neru). Additionally, does it ever say that this is a tradition of her tribe? I didn't see that in the anime at least, they just said that two unrelated people who share a room for three nights are deemed husband and wife. Whether this is a rule of Lelei's tribe, a rule of the region around Rondel, or a rule accepted by most of the common folk of the Special Region is not clearly stated. Last edited by BWTraveller; 2016-02-22 at 14:12. |
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Anyway, I actually wonder if Lelei sleeped on purpose with Itami in the same room. And does the second and third time actually count, since they weren't alone. |
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I watched back over the scene, and they don't say a single thing about her tribe. I suspect people assumed that this was a tradition specific to her tribe and went with it, but there is nothing I see to suggest that this is necessarily the case. It could be a rule of her tribe, or a local rule around Rondel, or a rule that the common folk of the Empire all accept. Also, what we know of the law doesn't make any rules about the presence or absence of other individuals in the room. All it says is that if a girl sleeps together with a boy three times she's married to him (I'm sure there are some age limits, possibly in connection to the question of sanity).
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Why? Because it might seem harmless here, but if you reverse the genders of the parties involved then you could see the problem. It might seems like a harem anime gag for a girl to suddenly force a guy to marry her without his prior knowledge , but the entire situation becomes much more horrible if it is a guy doing it to a girl. If Itami isn't allowed to trick a girl into marrying him, I fail to see why the reverse is any more legit. Lelei was counting on everyone else taking her word over his, and having people make assumptions that he must have had sex with her. Because she knows people would not question it too much.
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Sex is assumed to have taken place because all of the girls are hot for Itami and that assumption makes them do and say humorous things. They know him better than we do, well enough to change their cultural expectations, and we know he would never do that. Not at this point, at least. Whether that assumption is legally implied is speculation, unless it's in the source material.
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I agree that a person forcing another into marriage using laws they didn't know about is not a cool thing, and on one level I am ashamed to be so entertained, but even the double standard has no bearing on the matter. I've heard of stories where a girl is forced into marriage by accident or trickery, with the result often being cruel but sometimes treated as "romantic", so this really isn't anything new. All the information we have been given provides us with no reason to doubt the validity of the marriage except on a desperate moral objection to the situation, but not wanting something to be valid has absolutely no impact on its validity. |
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2016-02-23, 01:59 | Link #53 |
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Well, in the "extra" chapters (that was skipped), Lelei has seen how much Itami
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I'm personally surprised that Lelei brought this up. I only saw the relation between Itami and Lelei as... well, Itami as a father protecting his daughter. Apparently, Lelei might be seeing it otherwise. I don't think it's going to go anywhere (this relation). We never know... this might end up being one huge Harem Spoiler for Anime spoilers --- if you are watching episode by episode, you're totally fine:
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2016-02-23, 07:06 | Link #54 |
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I guess then it is appropriate some GATE citizens start tricking more JSDF soldiers into marriage against their will. I am surprised at how people are so relaxed about it all. If I can force a woman into becoming my wife, without her ever being told about it, I think it is high time it is abused as much as it could go.
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And Itami's got it better than a lot of people: he likes her plenty, the only thing really stopping him from viewing her as a potential romantic interest is her age. Actually, I think that's the biggest problem for all the girls, since even Tuka looks only 16. I'm definitely not saying he'd have said "OK" to a "we're married now" declaration by a hot 20-year-old, but I am saying that he very well may have responded to the girls' blatant romantic interest by now if he didn't look at them and see kids. And at least his bride is two years away from "adult" rather than six. Anyway, I suspect Itami's going to have to make a report about this, to warn the rest of the SDF that they need to take care about who they sleep next to and how often; I also suspect that if his superiors hear that he's accidentally married a girl by rule of local custom, they'll tall him c'est la vie, but not to do anything he can't take back at least until she's grown and the relations have settled somewhat. Why do I say this? Because as I'd mentioned when talking about Sugawara's situation, respecting local beliefs and customs is important when trying to develop relations with a foreign nation, especially customs as important as marriage. Itami might be able to reject the marriage without too many repercussions to the SDF's reputation, but it'd be a gamble. Last edited by BWTraveller; 2016-02-23 at 09:03. |
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No, the Empire does not think it makes any sense for someone to trick someone else into marrying him or her without telling them. Your idea of ancient society is nonsensical.
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OK. My point was only that the information that was given was insufficient. The people saying it was about sex were giving no references to the book, they just said "sleeping with someone means sex so the rule has to mean sex", which is faulty; that's why the first thing I asked was whether it said so in the books. I just didn't want to take an assertion based only on someone's mistaken opinion that a term had to exclusively imply sexual intercourse as canon.
Too bad though. And unusual: I don't personally know of any culture with such a rule, though I have heard of plenty of ancient cultures where living together was automatically equated to marriage. The closest I've heard to such a rule as this is the general rule held in some cultures that failure to have sex is grounds to annul a marriage. Wonder what effect that has on the prostitutes we know to be around. |
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