2010-02-22, 17:56 | Link #7081 | |
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I daresay she has as much on her hands if not more than Lelouch did. The difference being that it was all senseless. |
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2010-02-22, 18:23 | Link #7082 | |
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Since when was Cornelia carrying out genocide?
She NEVER went around murdering Elevens for just being elevens. She was specifically targeting terrorist strongholds. Some of the logic being used here is confusing. Britannia pushed the terrorists to start murdering their own people? How is that going to change anything when all these bombings and shit are killing tons of Elevens? "Sorry, we're doing this for Japan so we're gonna have to blow you up =/" What kind of bullshit reasoning is that? That's one of the first thing Lelouch tells Ougi and his lackeys, "Britannia will not fall to terrorism. It is merely a childish nuisance." Japan had its chance to fight for its freedom and it lost. The people needed to get over it and work within the system like Suzaku, either that or engage Britannia in the open field, instead of using their fellow countrymen as shields and sacrificial lambs. Quote:
Also, Cornelia would not have let the JLF in Lake Kawaguchi have their way. EVEN with Euphie inside she refused to give in to their demands because like most governments, Britannia does not negotiate with terrorists. Lelouch notes that the only thing stopping Cornelia from storming in and wiping out all the terrorists was the fact that Euphie was inside. So, had she not been there Cornelia would've solved the situation a lot faster, but with some civilian casualties (i.e student council and such)
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2010-02-22, 18:35 | Link #7083 |
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I think half the whole point of the series IS to get the viewer to view things from a different perspective than what is typical. I've always seen it as an extremely interesting social expirement...one that has revealed how disgustingly mindless and controllable the masses are. Most people do see Lelouch as a basically good person in lieu of his flaws. And that, I find both hilarious and terrifying.
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2010-02-22, 18:44 | Link #7085 | |
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2010-02-22, 18:48 | Link #7086 | |
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2010-02-22, 18:54 | Link #7087 | |
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The fact is Cornelia asked them to surrender, and they responded by opening fire on her.
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2010-02-22, 18:58 | Link #7088 |
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Yeah...apparently Cornelia was supposed to just roll over and die. NVM that as far as she knew, the elevens were responsible for killing 3 of her siblings...She wasn't a bad person, but she did have an axe to grind with the elevens.
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2010-02-22, 19:17 | Link #7090 | ||
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And blaming the deaths of Lelouch and Nunnally entirely on the Japanese is totally ridiculous, as Britannia itself started the war for their own interests, and said incidence of their deaths could have happened on account of friendly fire. As for Clovis, while I don't consider him a monster, he was at fault for the Shinjuku massacre. What I'm saying is that in caring for the memory of her siblings, supposedly or actually dead, Cornelia was completely handwaving the deaths of even more Japanese. I'm surprised Euphie never caught onto this and called her out on it. Quote:
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2010-02-22, 19:56 | Link #7091 | |
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Ever read the story of Little Red Riding Hood from the Wolf's POV? It's quite tragic, actually. |
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2010-02-22, 21:28 | Link #7092 | |
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Just like there is no excuse for Charles or Lelouch's actions, there is no excuse for supporting those actions. |
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2010-02-22, 21:41 | Link #7094 | ||
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We can speculate whether or not Cornelia would've spared them, which is kind of pointless but for argument's sake I think that she would. Since she offered it then she had no reason to turn back and kill the guys if they laid down their weapons. 1) It would be extremely dishonorable and low of her, and she wouldn't be able to justify it. 2) She would lose the opportunity to interrogate them and hopefully find info about Zero and other terrorist cells. Now, Japan wasn't an Utopia, in fact they were portrayed almost if not more xenophobic as Britannians. In the picture drams or w/e Lelouch gets beaten up by kids just for being Britannian. Japan also took over countries with economic power. At most it caused the war, and at the very least they gave Britannia reason to invade by being overly proud ethnocentric bastards. Quote:
That is basically what they did with Lelouch, except instead of losing like Hitler, Lelouch actually wins and takes over the world...
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2010-02-22, 23:52 | Link #7096 | |
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Taniguchi and Okouchi are far more like Terry Goodkind than Tsugumi Ohba |
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2010-02-23, 00:32 | Link #7097 |
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That's because Light was left with practically no redeeming moral qualities. Lelouch had become a Woobie Destroyer of Worlds meets Death Seeker of sorts. In the Fridge Logic fueled world of CG, Lelouch's scheme did actually work, which is why he was fondly reflected on by those who knew his intentions behind his final act.
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