F/SN UBW TV - Episode 12 Spoiler Discussion / Poll [FIRST HALF FINALE]

[Kimiko Khan]

Originally Posted by GDB

She's not trying to deflect the swords to any specific point. She wasn't having a problem hitting the balls, after all, just getting them to go flying in a certain direction.

ya i know. the thought just made the scene made the scene more amusing to me

[HtwoN]

Originally Posted by kakakka

Agreed with the last part, but disagreed with the first part. If we go by what have shown, it's not far that Rin would pull something like this just to tease and make fun of Shirou. But timing and length is what made this so hard to watch through.

Pardon me...

It is clearly stated when they are eating on the park that Rin wants to make Shirou to feel better. After all what happened to him recently and she finding out that he has no personal enjoyment, she wants him to have some "fun" and back to "normal". That's all the purpose behind the "date". And she ultimately fails because of Shirou's personality.

Mitsuzuri told Shirou earlier that he never really smiled. He don't have any fun in normal life. But did we see that? No. But we have a chance to see that very clearly here. You are supposed to feel that the "date" is not normal, because Shirou is not normal.

Also, this shows that they are still teenagers that have their own lives, not people who pursuing the Grail. They are still going to school, doing normal stuffs. Remember that mages avoid fighting in public, so I don't see any problem with them doing normal things during the day, when normally nothing happens. They are not soldiers, they need to catch a damn break. You guys have no problem with Shirou going to school, to the store during the day, why bashing a little date on valentine's day like it's not part of normal life? I fail to understand.

Call it fanservice if you may,but the date has a meaning behind it. If you fail to gasp, it's your problem.

Btw, good job on changing the topic, Thess. People calling Shirou stupid really makes me tired already.

[Iron Maw]

Originally Posted by Levani

Shirou was in a critical situation, it's not like he can just sit down, take his time and come up with the best possible move he can make. He made a mistake and paid the price, that's all there is to it.

Him making a mistake wasn't the problem, it was kind of mistake he made that is the issue. Shirou has been plenty critical situations at this point and he knows quite well what servant battles are like: brutal, fast and unpredictable. It doesn't matter whether he meant to start one or not because as soon as one happens you aren't coming out in one piece if throw out whatever comes to mind. I'd more accepting of his actions if he hadn't come off all calm and collected before or had this happened in his first couple fights... but instead he's still making novice like misstep this far into the story like a big nono.

I really would have prefer that Caster had gotten Saber through her own cunning plans rather Shirou slipping up in a way he didn't have to.

Originally Posted by kakakka

Isn't said in the other episode that Archer would only observe from afar as long as they don't see eye to eye on dealing with Shirou? Been going on since that ambush against Kuzuki.

Ah, I think your right, but that begs the question on how the field was setup with out his notice? It's been implied that these take time and it would be way too convenient if just happened to be there prior to the outing.

[kakakka]

Originally Posted by HtwoN

Pardon me...

It is clearly stated when they are eating on the park that Rin wants to make Shirou to feel better. After all what happened to him recently and she finding out that he has no personal enjoyment, she wants him to have some "fun" and back to "normal". That's all the purpose behind the "date". And she ultimately fails because of Shirou's personality.

I watched it too, it's not like I don't know what you're saying. But that feels just like that. The date is forced on Shirou and Rin gained amusement on that. On top of that, there's threat brewing around just to act casual outside. Sorry if you fail to understand that.

[HtwoN]

Originally Posted by kakakka

I watched it too, it's not like I don't know what you're saying. But that feels just like that. The date is forced on Shirou and Rin gained amusement on that. On top of that, there's threat brewing around just to act casual outside. Sorry if you fail to understand that.

Read the rest of my previous post please.

[kakakka]

Originally Posted by HtwoN

Read the rest of my previous post please.

I did. Still doesn't changed my opinion about it.

[Levani]

Him making a mistake wasn't the problem, it was kind of mistake he made that is the issue. Shirou has been plenty critical situations at this point and he knows quite well what servant battles are like: brutal, fast and unpredictable. It doesn't matter whether he meant to start one or not because as soon as one happens you aren't coming out in one piece if throw out whatever comes to mind. I'd more accepting of his actions if he hadn't come off all calm and collected before or had this happened in his first couple fights... but instead he's still making novice like misstep this far into the story like a big nono.

I really would have prefer that Caster had gotten Saber through her own cunning plans rather Shirou slipping up in a way he didn't have to

But this is the first time a hostage has been taken. It's a different situation in which he has no experience how to handle.

[Kallen4life]

The date is forced on Shirou

oh yes, such a horrible fate - spending a whole day with Rin (and Saber)

poor Shirou

[HtwoN]

Originally Posted by kakakka

I did. Still doesn't changed my opinion about it.

Well, ok. I don't intent to change your opinion.

[ShadowSamurai365]

Originally Posted by HtwoN

Pardon me...

It is clearly stated when they are eating on the park that Rin wants to make Shirou to feel better. After all what happened to him recently and she finding out that he has no personal enjoyment, she wants him to have some "fun" and back to "normal". That's all the purpose behind the "date". And she ultimately fails because of Shirou's personality.

Mitsuzuri told Shirou earlier that he never really smiled. He don't have any fun in normal life. But did we see that? No. But we have a chance to see that very clearly here. You are supposed to feel that the "date" is not normal, because Shirou is not normal.

Also, this shows that they are still teenagers that have their own lives, not people who pursuing the Grail. They are still going to school, doing normal stuffs. Remember that mages avoid fighting in public, so I don't see any problem with them doing normal things during the day, when normally nothing happens. They are not soldiers, they need to catch a damn break. You guys have no problem with Shirou going to school, to the store during the day, why bashing a little date on valentine's day like it's not part of normal life? I fail to understand.

Call it fanservice if you may,but the date has a meaning behind it. If you fail to gasp, it's your problem.

Btw, good job on changing the topic, Thess. People calling Shirou stupid really makes me tired already.

You got a good point. When it was mentioned that Shirou wasn't smiling or enjoying himself ( at that point in the VN), I had a disturbed feeling for some reason. Now that you've mentioned it, (it may be small thing to others), but had there ever been a scene where Shirou cry or laugh?

[HtwoN]

Originally Posted by ShadowSamurai365

You got a good point. When it was mentioned that Shirou wasn't smiling or enjoying himself ( at that point in the VN), I had a disturbed feeling for some reason. Now that you've mentioned it, (it may be small thing to others), but had there ever been a scene where Shirou cry or laugh?

Smile? Here and there. But those smiles are mainly because other people are happy around him.

Cry? Coming soon

I would say aside from what Mitsuzuri said, he seems to live a pretty normal life. But the conversation with Rin in episode 11 and the date show us that he doesn't. He doesn't enjoy magecraft, which he practices everyday. And now if he doesn't even enjoy himself when going on a date with the girl he likes, could he have fun with anything else?

[R.LocK]

Originally Posted by Iron Maw

Ah, I think your right, but that begs the question on how the field was setup with out his notice? It's been implied that these take time and it would be way too convenient if just happened to be there prior to the outing.

Fate/Zero says hi. Yep, the field was a leftover from Cthulhu battle.

For me, the issue wasn't his choice, but the command he gave Saber which led to this mess in the first place. He should have said "retreat" not "stop". The later was extreme poor choice given they were in a servant battle. It would have been bad no matter who the opponent was or their technique.

Okay, you're distraught, your brain is a complete mess, and you're trying to stop someone. Do you scream Stop or Retreat? It's the most humane thing from Shirou this episode aside from blushing for 10 minutes straight.

[GreyZone]

The expectations people have of Shirou... Even in real life we have SUPER PROs at soccer, who are considered the best people of their sport in the world... but sometimes even they still cannot shoot the ball into a clear goal, but instead shoot it 10 meters above it. But since they are Pros, that is perfectly O.K., because of stuff like "tension" and it's fine, because perhaps you are that soccer player's fan or something. Fictional characters, of course, must always act perfectly without EVER messing up. Because... [insert stupid excuse here]

[dmaxzero]

True cruelty making us wait until April.
But solid show, solid quality. Really enjoyed it.

[Iron Maw]

Originally Posted by Levani

But this is the first time a hostage has been taken. It's a different situation in which he has no experience how to handle.

He doesn't need to go through the exact same ordeal to be able to make an informed decision to solve or reduce the damage of another situation. Like said my problem doesn't lie in the negotiation part of the hostage crisis or with him stopping Saber as much how he did it. Results just mean he still doesn't have an handle on to how command his servant under pressure.

Originally Posted by R.LocK

Fate/Zero says hi. Yep, the field was a leftover from Cthulhu battle.

Whoa, that's neat! I guess Caster found about it during her killings in the city.

Okay, you're distraught, your brain is a complete mess, and you're trying to stop someone. Do you scream Stop or Retreat? It's the most humane thing from Shirou this episode aside from blushing for 10 minutes straight.

Not necessarily, I don't see Rin, Kritsugu or the older masters making the same mistake. It just means Shirou is still too inexperienced and his emotions where nowhere as in check as he first appeared in this encounter. He wasn't ever the most calm or quickest thinker in these sort of situation anyway so my expectations where most likely misplaced a bit.

[novalysis]

Is it my imagination, or does Illya's attire this episode resemble her Fate Prisma dress?

[GDB]

In case people forgot, Rin also used a Command Spell in an emotional rage back in Episode 0.

[R.LocK]

Originally Posted by Iron Maw

Whoa, that's neat! I guess Caster found about it during her killings in the city.

She hasn't exactly killed anyone yet, her original master (Cornelius, eh?) aside.

Not necessarily, I don't see Rin, Kritsugu or the older masters making the same mistake. It just means Shirou is still too inexperienced and his emotions where nowhere as in check as he first appeared in this encounter. He wasn't ever the most calm or quickest thinker in these sort of situation anyway so my expectations where most likely misplaced a bit.

If he ever appeared as if he was in control of himself... Well, no matter. His origin's another factor that makes him quite inadequate to give orders, anyway.

[ShadowSamurai365]

Originally Posted by HtwoN

Smile? Here and there. But those smiles are mainly because other people are happy around him.

Cry? Coming soon

I would say aside from what Mitsuzuri said, he seems to live a pretty normal life. But the conversation with Rin in episode 11 and the date show us that he doesn't. He doesn't enjoy magecraft, which he practices everyday. And now if he doesn't even enjoy himself when going on a date with the girl he likes, could he have fun with anything else?

You got a good point, and him not enjoying himself at those point in time is something I recognized. I sort of realized this on episode 11 of the VN. I was just shocked (at that point in the VN) that he didn't enjoy "magic", despite the fact that he practiced for years (and from what the VN stated, practicing his magic brought him close to death many times); so it makes me realize more is going on here (and if you add the Shirou/Archer talk). I guess it's these kinds of things that makes you know who's paying attention and who aren't.

[Tenzen12]

Well it's nor like Rin and Shiro went on date unprotected, they had Saber with them afterall.