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lullabyz · 2017-09-03, 00:32

Here come the D's intervention!.. or so I guess..

bakapervert · 2017-09-03, 00:55

God fu***ng dammit, damned humanity, damned Potimas, he died too quickly, Ariel should have shaves his body inch by inch before putting him out of his misery.

Breimn · 2017-09-03, 02:55

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Originally Posted by lullabyz

Here come the D's intervention!.. or so I guess..

As expected , kuro meeting with D.

kari-no-sugata II · 2017-09-03, 11:25

Translation is up for "Past Arc 22".

Spoiler for thoughts:

kari-no-sugata II · 2017-09-03, 15:45

Translation is up for "Past Arc 23".

Spoiler for thoughts:

erneiz_hyde · 2017-09-03, 16:25

Whew, finally D is here. Hopefully this means we get back to present time in a couple more chapters. Ah wait, I guess it depends on how in-depth the author will tell Ariel's adventures when the system comes about.

K2Grey · 2017-09-03, 17:32

Ah, so this answers why Sariel hasn't met D. It didn't seem likely that D would have forced Sariel to become the core of the System without getting her agreement first, but it was also implausible that Sariel could have inserted herself that deeply into the System after its creation.

Then, the great sin that was forgotten isn't the use of MA energy, but rather that the people of the world willingly chose to sacrifice Sariel to save themselves. No wonder why Ariel is so willing to sacrifice the people to save Sariel.

I wonder if Foddway is the vampire Great Demon King from Blood 23? Sariel's orphans are likely to be the Divine Beasts. I was looking for one that matched Fenrir, but I think Ariel is the only mentioned chimera.

Amuris · 2017-09-03, 17:52

hmmmm, idk...I can't feel angry or look down on anyone other than Potimas here. Think about it.

If your getting angry about the people letting this happen or agreeing to it, wouldn't that just be lumping everyone together, "killing them cuz they're goblins". The main actors on the human side at this point are the ones who listened and, therefore, don't deserve any of this anyway.

For the dragons, their thinking isn't to far from our own. Basically, "fuck these humans, I'm out!" I'm not going to say it's right, it just sounds a lot like us.

Sariel, in the end, has more in common with Shiro than we thought. Rather than sacrifice the few that are close to her, she sacrifices the more distant. It's just shows up on a wider scale, being humans vs everything else. Even then, I think she's still focused on some of the humans more than others. Otherwise, the children's stall tactic wouldn't have worked as it did. If anything, her shortcomings may just be a mechanical inability to see the longterm effect of her choices.

Kuro seems less pathetic to me and more pitiable. When everything came to ahead, it became a fight between his crush/the new life he has and his race/family. He was stuck in a crappier Romeo and Juliet scenario(atleast they got laid). Any choice he makes will destroy something/someone important to him and would eliminate a chunk of his identity. In the end, I think he made the best choice. betting only himself and no others, on a solution that might keep all the others alive...

...now we just need to see the conditions of the bet...

K2Grey · 2017-09-03, 18:20

The dragons taking their ball and going home was definitely a move out of pre-nakama Shiro's playbook, when the set of people she gave a **** about was exactly 1. She's been softening up quite a bit though, even sparing Sanatoria who is a known traitor and kurikuta stealer.

I now understand the pain of people reading the Shun chapters. When binging this series it's not a problem and they add to the story, but it's pretty painful when they come one by one over several months.

kari-no-sugata II · 2017-09-04, 08:54

Trying to think what else probably needs to be covered by the "past arc":

The world gets introduced to the System. Dunno how that'll be done but it seems that it'll become officially known that immortality within the System is possible. We should see some reactions from Dustin, Potimas, Gyurie and probably Ariel. It's possible that next we see Sariel she's already in the System and isn't able to communicate. This could be covered in a chapter or two depending upon how much detail there is.

An explanation for what the "demons" (mazoku) are would be nice. I've not seen any obvious hints to them yet. They might be people from outside the country of Dazdoldia (Dustin's country) - ie they become "demons" as a specific punishment, even if it doesn't directly mean much.

Apart from that, I dunno what we'll get. Maybe some background info on the Elro Great Labyrinth and "monsters". Maybe some background on the creation of the Divine Word Religion and the Goddess Religion (probably remnants of the Sariel Society). I'll be curious to see how Gyurie gets to become a legendary figure as well.

So, could be done in 2-3 chapters.

PS Maybe the author will throw us the following bone: turns out Potimas is still alive, because D saved him and made it look like he had died. As thanks for entertaining D with his futile struggles, she makes him immortal. In a special custom hell of eternal torture, just for him

kari-no-sugata II · 2017-09-04, 15:12

LN7 will be out on the 10th October:
http://store.kadokawa.co.jp/shop/g/g321706000621/

Thinking about Shiro's situation a bit... it's looking likely that there's no nice safe havens for her to run to (to escape from D). I guess she could try living completely alone and isolated but she'd just feel miserable. So she can then either pick freedom or safety but not both. Maybe she'll try to square the circle by getting D to leave the world entirely to her (ie she has to defend it) but in the worst case she can still ask D for help (for a price of course).

EvilSociopath323 · 2017-09-04, 15:14

From a story telling perspective I don't know if bringing Potimas would be such a great idea, but then again, it has been done elsewhere so why not. I don't think however that it would be necessary for D's intervention. That tidbit about him being able to transplant his brain might have actually been foreshadowing that he's still alive. Shiro was under the assumption that Potimas would die if his main body would die and that he was unable to switch his main body if I'm correct. So that old body might have been a dummy. If he was a genius he might have had the idea, 'Hey, maybe it would be a bad idea to keep my main body in a place for everyone to see'. He might have created an underground hideout to keep his main body, for safety measures even with a similar barrier like in the village. His death in the village might have been faked then. I mean, such a coward would have planned for the possibility that he'd lose... With Gyurie being the most likely candidate to beat him it wouldn't make sense to simply escape into space since well, Gyurie could just teleport into the ship even if it gets into space.

Rageth · 2017-09-04, 18:54

I'm almost certain that the mazoku were descendants of the orphans and Potimas' other survived experiments, while the Sariel Society became the Divine Word Religion (was that it's name?)

Sure, it seems TOO obvious to be true, but things still seem to be headed in that direction.

K2Grey · 2017-09-04, 19:21

I think the reason why we saw Shiro grab the Dilgence authority onscreen was to definitively show Potimas was dead. Ruler authority is attached to the soul so no authority = dead as a doornail.

Wouldn't the Sariel Society become the Goddess Religion? Divine Word is headed up by Dustin who has no relation to the Sariel Society.

Rageth · 2017-09-04, 19:25

Woops, I mixed the two religions up. I knew the two factions, just forgot their names. Basically, I figure the remnants would end up becoming the Goddess Religion.

kari-no-sugata II · 2017-09-05, 05:07

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Originally Posted by EvilSociopath323

From a story telling perspective I don't know if bringing Potimas would be such a great idea, but then again, it has been done elsewhere so why not. I don't think however that it would be necessary for D's intervention. That tidbit about him being able to transplant his brain might have actually been foreshadowing that he's still alive. Shiro was under the assumption that Potimas would die if his main body would die and that he was unable to switch his main body if I'm correct. So that old body might have been a dummy. If he was a genius he might have had the idea, 'Hey, maybe it would be a bad idea to keep my main body in a place for everyone to see'. He might have created an underground hideout to keep his main body, for safety measures even with a similar barrier like in the village. His death in the village might have been faked then. I mean, such a coward would have planned for the possibility that he'd lose... With Gyurie being the most likely candidate to beat him it wouldn't make sense to simply escape into space since well, Gyurie could just teleport into the ship even if it gets into space.

As K2Grey said, we know that Potimas should be dead because Dilgence became open in response. So I think only D would be able to fake Potimas's death in a way that could fool Shiro. Shiro had confirmed that all elves except Sensei were dead as well - that's pretty darn comprehensive. The only reason I suggested the idea is so that readers could get some catharsis via Potimas getting a fate far worse than death.

I'm sure we'll at least get some initial reaction from Potimas as he learns about the System and just how much D is taunting him - eg, "100 million for the Immortality skill!? ARGHHH".

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Originally Posted by Rageth

I'm almost certain that the mazoku were descendants of the orphans and Potimas' other survived experiments, while the Sariel Society became the Divine Word Religion (was that it's name?)

When Kumoko woke up from getting Taboo, she was angry at both the humans and the mazoku equally. Which also suggests that Taboo explains the origins of the mazoku. But, wherever the mazoku come from I doubt they're related to the Sariel Society - they were entirely innocent in the whole thing.

There's also been one or two hints that the mazoku committed some ancient crime that we haven't seen from the humans. Based on that, and given that there's a lot of them, I suspect they were originally human but had sinned a bit more than the people who stayed human - so the most logical scenario I can think of is that they were people from countries outside of Dustin's country who benefited from using MA Energy (ie had committed a taboo).

Breimn · 2017-09-05, 05:26

They are probably those who used MA energy to evolve their body of their own will, just like Pothimas did.
So those who did not care about Sariel s sacrifice and decided to continue to abuse MA energy.

kari-no-sugata II · 2017-09-05, 06:22

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Originally Posted by Breimn

They are probably those who used MA energy to evolve their body of their own will, just like Pothimas did.
So those who did not care about Sariel s sacrifice and decided to continue to abuse MA energy.

I don't think there would be many such people though. I had originally thought that it could be something like this but thinking about it, it seems that the number of demons has always been way larger than the number of elves, for example, and the general impression I get is that the demons have generally been concentrated in one area - ie the current situation with the demons and humans has been the case for a very long time, possibly since the start of the System.

We shall see...

Breimn · 2017-09-05, 08:37

The devil tempting the angel with a contract.

kari-no-sugata II · 2017-09-05, 09:32

Run Sariel run!

Spoiler for thoughts:

2017-09-03, 00:55	Link #7842
bakapervert A pervert Join Date: Oct 2012	God fu***ng dammit, damned humanity, damned Potimas, he died too quickly, Ariel should have shaves his body inch by inch before putting him out of his misery. __________________ My blog.

2017-09-03, 11:25	Link #7844
kari-no-sugata II Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2015	Translation is up for "Past Arc 22". Spoiler for thoughts: It was hard to suppress the unspeakable rage in my heart while translating this chapter. When you're translating something bit by bit over a number of hours it tends to sink in more than if you're simply reading through it in 5-10 minutes. Yeah, unfortunately Potimas is totally dead already so we can't kill him again. I'm sure the author will put this arc in before the final elf village battle arc in the LN, since it just not satisfying otherwise. I wonder if anyone other than Potimas is aware that if things had gone to plan then the rest of the planet would have been screwed. Last we saw Ariel she was going through all of Potimas's records so there might have been something there about it. Might have an interesting conversation point with Dustin and Gyurie.

2017-09-03, 15:45	Link #7845
kari-no-sugata II Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2015	Translation is up for "Past Arc 23". Spoiler for thoughts: Heh, it's interesting to see how D is seen from the perspective of other gods. Also interesting is that she apparently has no known name - ie D probably isn't her actual name. I guess this means that Gyurie wouldn't automatically connect Shiro with D based on her appearance since Gyurie has never seen D herself. I dunno what kind of ending the series will get but it's nice to imagine an epilogue where the original dragons who abandoned the planet come back after D withdraws and are then turned into food by Shiro.

2017-09-03, 16:25	Link #7846
erneiz_hyde 18782+18782=37564 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: InterWebs	Whew, finally D is here. Hopefully this means we get back to present time in a couple more chapters. Ah wait, I guess it depends on how in-depth the author will tell Ariel's adventures when the system comes about. __________________

2017-09-03, 17:52	Link #7848
Amuris Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2014	hmmmm, idk...I can't feel angry or look down on anyone other than Potimas here. Think about it. If your getting angry about the people letting this happen or agreeing to it, wouldn't that just be lumping everyone together, "killing them cuz they're goblins". The main actors on the human side at this point are the ones who listened and, therefore, don't deserve any of this anyway. For the dragons, their thinking isn't to far from our own. Basically, "fuck these humans, I'm out!" I'm not going to say it's right, it just sounds a lot like us. Sariel, in the end, has more in common with Shiro than we thought. Rather than sacrifice the few that are close to her, she sacrifices the more distant. It's just shows up on a wider scale, being humans vs everything else. Even then, I think she's still focused on some of the humans more than others. Otherwise, the children's stall tactic wouldn't have worked as it did. If anything, her shortcomings may just be a mechanical inability to see the longterm effect of her choices. Kuro seems less pathetic to me and more pitiable. When everything came to ahead, it became a fight between his crush/the new life he has and his race/family. He was stuck in a crappier Romeo and Juliet scenario(atleast they got laid). Any choice he makes will destroy something/someone important to him and would eliminate a chunk of his identity. In the end, I think he made the best choice. betting only himself and no others, on a solution that might keep all the others alive... ...now we just need to see the conditions of the bet... __________________ "I can do it if I try you know! It’s just that I don’t try, but I could do it if I did try! I think?" - Shiro

2017-09-03, 00:32	Link #7841
lullabyz Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2015	Here come the D's intervention!.. or so I guess..

2017-09-03, 17:32	Link #7847
K2Grey Member Join Date: Mar 2006	Ah, so this answers why Sariel hasn't met D. It didn't seem likely that D would have forced Sariel to become the core of the System without getting her agreement first, but it was also implausible that Sariel could have inserted herself that deeply into the System after its creation. Then, the great sin that was forgotten isn't the use of MA energy, but rather that the people of the world willingly chose to sacrifice Sariel to save themselves. No wonder why Ariel is so willing to sacrifice the people to save Sariel. I wonder if Foddway is the vampire Great Demon King from Blood 23? Sariel's orphans are likely to be the Divine Beasts. I was looking for one that matched Fenrir, but I think Ariel is the only mentioned chimera.

2017-09-03, 18:20	Link #7849
K2Grey Member Join Date: Mar 2006	The dragons taking their ball and going home was definitely a move out of pre-nakama Shiro's playbook, when the set of people she gave a **** about was exactly 1. She's been softening up quite a bit though, even sparing Sanatoria who is a known traitor and kurikuta stealer. I now understand the pain of people reading the Shun chapters. When binging this series it's not a problem and they add to the story, but it's pretty painful when they come one by one over several months.

2017-09-04, 08:54	Link #7850
kari-no-sugata II Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2015	Trying to think what else probably needs to be covered by the "past arc": The world gets introduced to the System. Dunno how that'll be done but it seems that it'll become officially known that immortality within the System is possible. We should see some reactions from Dustin, Potimas, Gyurie and probably Ariel. It's possible that next we see Sariel she's already in the System and isn't able to communicate. This could be covered in a chapter or two depending upon how much detail there is. An explanation for what the "demons" (mazoku) are would be nice. I've not seen any obvious hints to them yet. They might be people from outside the country of Dazdoldia (Dustin's country) - ie they become "demons" as a specific punishment, even if it doesn't directly mean much. Apart from that, I dunno what we'll get. Maybe some background info on the Elro Great Labyrinth and "monsters". Maybe some background on the creation of the Divine Word Religion and the Goddess Religion (probably remnants of the Sariel Society). I'll be curious to see how Gyurie gets to become a legendary figure as well. So, could be done in 2-3 chapters. PS Maybe the author will throw us the following bone: turns out Potimas is still alive, because D saved him and made it look like he had died. As thanks for entertaining D with his futile struggles, she makes him immortal. In a special custom hell of eternal torture, just for him

2017-09-04, 15:12	Link #7851
kari-no-sugata II Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2015	LN7 will be out on the 10th October: http://store.kadokawa.co.jp/shop/g/g321706000621/ Thinking about Shiro's situation a bit... it's looking likely that there's no nice safe havens for her to run to (to escape from D). I guess she could try living completely alone and isolated but she'd just feel miserable. So she can then either pick freedom or safety but not both. Maybe she'll try to square the circle by getting D to leave the world entirely to her (ie she has to defend it) but in the worst case she can still ask D for help (for a price of course).

2017-09-04, 15:14	Link #7852
EvilSociopath323 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2015	From a story telling perspective I don't know if bringing Potimas would be such a great idea, but then again, it has been done elsewhere so why not. I don't think however that it would be necessary for D's intervention. That tidbit about him being able to transplant his brain might have actually been foreshadowing that he's still alive. Shiro was under the assumption that Potimas would die if his main body would die and that he was unable to switch his main body if I'm correct. So that old body might have been a dummy. If he was a genius he might have had the idea, 'Hey, maybe it would be a bad idea to keep my main body in a place for everyone to see'. He might have created an underground hideout to keep his main body, for safety measures even with a similar barrier like in the village. His death in the village might have been faked then. I mean, such a coward would have planned for the possibility that he'd lose... With Gyurie being the most likely candidate to beat him it wouldn't make sense to simply escape into space since well, Gyurie could just teleport into the ship even if it gets into space.

2017-09-04, 18:54	Link #7853
Rageth Certified Degenerate Join Date: Jan 2013	I'm almost certain that the mazoku were descendants of the orphans and Potimas' other survived experiments, while the Sariel Society became the Divine Word Religion (was that it's name?) Sure, it seems TOO obvious to be true, but things still seem to be headed in that direction.

2017-09-04, 19:21	Link #7854
K2Grey Member Join Date: Mar 2006	I think the reason why we saw Shiro grab the Dilgence authority onscreen was to definitively show Potimas was dead. Ruler authority is attached to the soul so no authority = dead as a doornail. Wouldn't the Sariel Society become the Goddess Religion? Divine Word is headed up by Dustin who has no relation to the Sariel Society.

2017-09-04, 19:25	Link #7855
Rageth Certified Degenerate Join Date: Jan 2013	Woops, I mixed the two religions up. I knew the two factions, just forgot their names. Basically, I figure the remnants would end up becoming the Goddess Religion.

2017-09-05, 05:26	Link #7857
Breimn Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2015	They are probably those who used MA energy to evolve their body of their own will, just like Pothimas did. So those who did not care about Sariel s sacrifice and decided to continue to abuse MA energy.

2017-09-05, 08:37	Link #7859
Breimn Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2015	The devil tempting the angel with a contract.

2017-09-05, 09:32	Link #7860
kari-no-sugata II Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2015	Run Sariel run! Spoiler for thoughts: Hmm, interesting. Gyurie believed that Sariel had never met D but that was wrong. I'm guessing the figure that D showed here is the same as "Wakaba Hiiro"? D clearly overpowers Sariel massively but I guess Sariel couldn't function as the nexus of the System if she didn't cooperate. It doesn't particularly seem like D was trying to deceive Sariel though. Sariel is pretty much a yes-man anyway when it involves her mission. D could also clearly spot what was going on with Sariel and Gyurie even if Sariel couldn't. D is also clearly on to Potimas already. And thus the System was born.