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Old 2009-12-11, 07:24   Link #381
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Another question:

What are the top three:
> Holders of Hougu (humans[3] and Guze people[3] with the most number of Hougu in hand), please give list of noted Hougu held by person; and
> Spellmasters (Flame Haze [3]and Guze people [3]with the most number of mentioned Unrestricted Spells cast), common ones like Tatsui no Gen and Fuzetsu are excluded.

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Old 2009-12-11, 13:32   Link #382
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Most number of Hougu : Definitely Friagne.
Hougu in his possession are Regular Sharp (cards), Azure (fire protection ring), Trigger Happy (Gun), Dance Party (Bell), Bubble Root (Coin/Chain), Haridan, Reshuffle and His long and floating white cloth.
Counts : 8

No.2 is Sakai Yuji, our (pro-/an-)tagonist, himself.
Hougu in his possession are Reiji Maigo(Midnight Stray Child), Azure, Blutsauger and Haridan.
Counts : 4

No.3 is Khamsin.
His Hougu in possession are Jettatura (monocle) and Mekest (iron pole).
Counts : 2

(Well, this does not count Dantalion's inventions though)
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Most number of Unrestricted Methods : Shana, our Heroine, of course.
Her mentioned unrestricted methods are Guren no Souyoku(Crimson's twin wings), Guren no Ōdachi(Crimson's long sword), Tenpa Jousai(Breaking Heaven and Earth), Shinku(True crimson), Hien(Soaring Flame), Shinban(Judgement) and Danzai(Conviction).
Counts : 7

No.2 is Khamsin.
His mensioned unrestricted methods are Qadesh no Shinshitsu(Heart Chamber of Qadesh), Qadesh no Ketsuin(Blood seal of Qadesh), Gareki no Kyojin(Rubble Giant), Ra no Tsubute(Ra's throwing stones), Aten no Kobushi(Aten's fist) and Set no Sharin(Set's wheel).
Counts : 6

No.3 is Pheles.
Her mensioned unrestricted methods are Kaikin(Restriction Commandment), Kaze no Tenrin(Loop of wind), Inverna, Mistral and Kara Bran.
Counts : 5

Last edited by Elf song; 2010-01-01 at 23:03. Reason: added Haridan. Changed Carabran into 'Kara Bran'
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Old 2009-12-11, 13:58   Link #383
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Doesn't Yuji have the Haridan in his possession too or did he leave it back in the Sereiden?
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Old 2009-12-11, 14:15   Link #384
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Sorry, I forgot that
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Old 2009-12-11, 19:51   Link #385
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My bad, I forgot to segregate the top three into two. :O

So the top Human/Flame Haze/Mystes Hougu Holders are Sakai Yuji and Khamsin. I think Kazumi should be added because she had one of the beads in Behemoth's vessel(1), Giralda(2) and Jettatura(3).

The top Guze Hougu Holder is Friagne, of course. Is Hecate the next on the list? I wanna know more about Hougu because there's just so many mentioned and they're unnamed. D:

Top Spellmaster on the Human/Flame Haze/Mystes category is Shana and Khamsin.

On the Guze category, it's Pheles.
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Old 2009-12-11, 22:00   Link #386
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Yuji could fit on both Human and Guze list for hougu holders.

I wonder if Yuji would also fit on the list for Guze spellcasters? I don't think it's been shown if he has any spells or not but I would guess he would have a bunch as SotF Yuji.
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Old 2009-12-11, 22:00   Link #387
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My bad, I forgot to segregate the top three into two. :O

So the top Human/Flame Haze/Mystes Hougu Holders are Sakai Yuji and Khamsin. I think Kazumi should be added because she had one of the beads in Behemoth's vessel(1), Giralda(2) and Jettatura(3).

The top Guze Hougu Holder is Friagne, of course. Is Hecate the next on the list? I wanna know more about Hougu because there's just so many mentioned and they're unnamed. D:

Top Spellmaster on the Human/Flame Haze/Mystes category is Shana and Khamsin.

On the Guze category, it's Pheles.
Hougu holders: Bel Peol as her chains are called Tartarus and she possessed the Gordian Knot, a key used to sink the Tendou-Kyuu.

What the heck is the Jettatura?

I thought Wilhelmina would be a top spellcaster, due to her performance against Sabrac. Then there would be Margery with all her poetry.
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Old 2009-12-11, 23:03   Link #388
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Jettatura was the monocle Khamsin gave Kazumi which allowed her to see the "Torch's Flame". *I never thought it had a name D:*

How does the Gordian Knot work? Is it like a bomb of sorts?
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Old 2009-12-11, 23:19   Link #389
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Jettatura was the monocle Khamsin gave Kazumi which allowed her to see the "Torch's Flame". *I never thought it had a name D:*

How does the Gordian Knot work? Is it like a bomb of sorts?
Watch the first season episode 16.

Hypothesis: It destabilized the Tendou-Kyuu by disrupting the magnetic and gravity fields that keep it afloat and together, causing the island to break apart.
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Old 2009-12-12, 02:48   Link #390
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Hmm. I thought that time that it's just a Hougu which releases an immense power which is enough to destroy Tendoukyuu (am I right that Tendoukyuu is the biggest Hougu in the world and Seireiden is a mere structure?) or fake someone's death, like what happened in ~second~.
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Old 2009-12-12, 07:33   Link #391
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I thought Wilhelmina would be a top spellcaster, due to her performance against Sabrac. Then there would be Margery with all her poetry.
The ranking I said is not about who is the best spellmaster, but rather the one with his/her unrestricted methods' name are mentioned in the story.

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My bad, I forgot to segregate the top three into two. :O

So the top Human/Flame Haze/Mystes Hougu Holders are Sakai Yuji and Khamsin. I think Kazumi should be added because she had one of the beads in Behemoth's vessel(1), Giralda(2) and Jettatura(3).
In the novel, Khamsin never gave any bead to Kazumi so I think I won't count it.
Also, Kazumi returned Jettatura to Khamsin too after the fight with Dantalion in Misaki city ended. So, according to novel, she should have only Giralda at the moment (~Vol.XIX). Counts : 1

Gordian Knot(s) was explained in the novel that they were created by Dantalion and bestowed to Bel-Peol's subordinates. Their true ability is containing a certain unrestricted method inside and activates itself when its bearer perished by using his/her remaining PoE to 'ignite'; so what inside is not necessary to be destructive unrestricted method. Bifrons' Gordian Knot is contained with transportation unrestricted method which Sabrac used to retreat himself before being destroyed by Shana's group. That's why he survived and later showed himself in Seireiden.
Since Gordian Knots are not unique Hougu (they were reproduced as much as Outlaws' Tessera), I didn't count them as true Hougu list.

List of Hougu :
Atalante Wielder : Ukobach (presumed destroyed along with him)
Azure Wielder : Friagne > Yuji
Blutsauger Wielder : Sorath > Yuji
Bubble Loot Wielder : Friagne (presumed destroyed along with him)
Caina Wielder : Gavida(Creator) > Alastor (presumed destroyed along with Tendoukyuu)
Chorde Wielder : Kasha (presumed destroyed along with him)
Dance Party Wielder : Friagne (presumed destroyed along with him)
Friagne's floating white cloth Wielder : Friagne (presumed destroyed along with him)
Gehinnom Wielder : Bal Masque
Giralda Wielder : Pheles > many women > Pheles > Kazumi
Gordian Knot Wielder : Dantalion(creator) > Bel-Peol > Bel-Peol's subordinates
Haridan Wielder : Hebi(creator) > Friagne > Margery > Yuji
Hystrix Wielder : Sabrac (deformed by Dantalion)
Jettatura Wielder : Khamsin > Kazumi > Khamsin
King Briton Wielder : Gavida (presumed destroyed along with him)
Kugai Tenbin Wielder : Toten Glocke
Mekest Wielder : Khamsin
Nachtigall Wielder : many lords > Azis > later broke free from the cage and return as Leanan sidhe
Nietono no Shana Wielder : a certain swordsmith(creator) > Tenmokuikko > Shana > Sorath(a short moment) > Shana
Nomenclata Wielder : Dantalion > Harriet Smith
Orgel Wielder : Tiriel (presumed destroyed along with her)
Papagena Wielder : Mare (presumed destroyed along with her)
Regular Sharp Wielder : Friagne (presumed destroyed along with him)
Reiji Maigo Wielder : Johan(creator, along with Pheles) > Yuji
Reshuffle Wielder : Friagne > Shana & Yuji (destroyed)
Seireiden Wielder : Gavida(creator) > Bal Masque
Shintetsu Nyoi Wielder : Sydonay
Tarnkappe Wielder : Bifrons (presumed destroyed along with him)
Tartaros Wielder : Bel-Peol
Tendoukyuu Wielder : Gavida(creator) > Alastor's group (presumed destroyed but resurrected itself and used by Wilhelmina to infiltrate Seireiden)
Tessera Wielder : Outlaw
Trigger Happy Wielder : Friagne (presumed destroyed along with him)
Trigon Wielder : Hecate
Trivia Wielder : Bal Masque

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Old 2009-12-12, 10:41   Link #392
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"Bankyoku no Dai"* Gogmagog

*Guess I'd leave someone else to translate her Mana(True name).
thanks.

Her true name means "Entwined Stage" (the Mandarin one anyway)
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Old 2009-12-12, 20:58   Link #393
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Well, that explained me why she makes a dance-like movement in the manga.
Spoiler for Gogmagog:
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Well, that explained me why she makes a dance-like movement in the manga.
Spoiler for Gogmagog:
Too bad she got pwned so early....was starting to like her...
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Old 2009-12-18, 01:54   Link #395
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I think there is only one unique torrent of chapters 1 and 2 of Eternal Song.
I've downloaded it and found out that most of the pages are corrupted because the torrent was exactly 94.3% available. orz
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Eternal Song Vol.1 online stream (chinese translation)
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Old 2009-12-18, 20:52   Link #397
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Thanks, Nietono no Shana for that. :3
Now, I need to find out how to read Mandarin. D:
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Old 2009-12-29, 18:43   Link #398
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Greetings,

I have just finished watching season 1 and i am a bit confused in which order i have to watch now?

Season 1
promo/special/special 01,2/itadaki ....
movie
Season 2
Ova?

Is this the order ?
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Greetings,

I have just finished watching season 1 and i am a bit confused in which order i have to watch now?

Is this the order ?
There is no magic order.

The movie is a retelling of the first arc of Season One... made closer to the novel.
The specials (are you referring to Shana-tan?) are to be enjoyed separately (non-canon).
The OVA that's being released at intervals this year takes place at snapshots at times... we are having discussions on where the first one fits in the timeline in the applicable episode thread. You can watch Reshuffle (the OVA recently come out) at any time, though I'd recommend going on to:

Clearly, though, Season Two comes after Season One. *bops self on head*

All clear? Someone chime in if I missed something.
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> Shakugan no Shana Special: Love and Outdoor Hot Spring Tutorial!
> Shakugan no Shana-tan and Shakugan no Shana-tan Returns - parody of many events in Shakugan no Shana I.
> Itadaki no Hecate-tan and Banjo no Carmel-san
> Movie - so you know what happens if the anime becomes loyal to the light novel version
of the Friagne arc.
> Shakugan no Shana-tan the Movie
> Shakugan no Shana II
> Shakugan no Shana-tan Begins
> Shakugan no Shana-tan and Yoshida: Fumina Konoe Strikes Back
> Shakugan no Shana-tan Revenge
> Shakugan no Shana-tan G
> Shakugan no Shana S: Reshuffle

You can skip the parodies until after you watch Reshuffle.
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