(L) Buddy Complex

[Gundam8]

Alfred galient hina former commander once he found out he formed zoligia is going defect to the free pact alliance aka the confederate treaty of liberty become new leader of the resistance in Russia or do a coup of zoligia republic once he finds out why time traveling bozin formed zoligia in the first place beacuse he will almost certainly not go along with it.

And also one the alliance finds out they two years worth nectberium. The alliance who energy is diversify fusion and solar power and other if where to them it okay but zoligia it is the soul one I think will in there new base that if they do this right they could launch a massive counter offensive.if done right will mean for zoligia republic.

[thundrakkon]

A thought just occurred to me. If Aoba and Hina were in coupling mode, how was Dio able to stop Aoba in the time loop? When Aoba went after Hina in the time tunnel, Aoba should have been able to dodge non-coupling Dio in the previous time loops. Well, I haven't rewatched to check if previous time loop Luxon Next was in coupling mode, but my guess is it should be.

As for Aoba catching up to Hina in the time tunnel, both were in coupling mode, and Hina did not have a strong desire to dodge him.

[jordantenney56]

You may be right about that he seems to be a level headed man he may not want to continue a war if finds this war was started by a rage obsessed nutjob because he wants revenge on a 16 year old boy he will definately not go with it. He may be a backstabbing bastard in someways but does care for the people that are under his command.

[FlareKnight]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

A thought just occurred to me. If Aoba and Hina were in coupling mode, how was Dio able to stop Aoba in the time loop? When Aoba went after Hina in the time tunnel, Aoba should have been able to dodge non-coupling Dio in the previous time loops. Well, I haven't rewatched to check if previous time loop Luxon Next was in coupling mode, but my guess is it should be.

As for Aoba catching up to Hina in the time tunnel, both were in coupling mode, and Hina did not have a strong desire to dodge him.

Honestly I did think about this after watching the episode and I'm not entirely sure. We have seen that the dodging for coupling mechs isn't unstoppable. That squad did a good job locking down Aoba and Dio after all. Might be a case where his goal was obvious as was his destination. Might have been possible to cut him off if Aoba wasn't willing to kill Dio to get past him. After the first block maybe was lacking the momentum to pull off the dodges.

I'd have to watch the episode again to come up with some other theories.

[Flames]

The time paradoxes of Aoba can explained by the multiple timelines tehory . Technically the failed timelines that Aoba couldn't save Hina still continue but we switched over to the perspective of Hina in being in the past because there is no point of showing what happens after that. Aoba was analyzing the fact that in Hina case she keeps on repeating the same events in order to protect him because that what she sees is necessary to ensure his existence. That doesn't mean it is the truth. Aoba still existing after stopping Bizon is proof of that. The only thing that happen was a new timeline was created in which Aoba didn't have to travel through time. Which can't affect current Aoba existence. The same is true for Bizon. Since even if he does travel back into the past he just entering a new timeline which he just altered by his existence.

[Esclair]

Somebody said earlier (or maybe on a another forum) that Aoba is basically a time lord, ie, the timelines automatically adjust for him, which allows him to exist outside of time even when the events change so that he shouldn't exist. So the timelines overwrite one another but Aoba can exist no matter what. The same thing probably applies to Hina. Perhaps anyone who gets thrown into the time singularity exists outside of time.

Another theory that people are throwing around now is that there's a double loop, or rather, a inner loop and an outer loop. The Hina cycle was the inner loop and right now we're in the outer loop. The outer loop could actually be part of the original timeline, ie where Aoba never was sent to the future and becomes a scientist to create the time travel stuff related to Coupling wavelengths, etc. There's not really enough information to really explore this 2nd idea though, but it'd be kind of interesting if they decide to go this route for S2 as it'll tell us how everything started, including why Aoba is so integral to the whole time travel mechanics and how things will end.

[Flames]

Originally Posted by Esclair

Somebody said earlier (or maybe on a another forum) that Aoba is basically a time lord, ie, the timelines automatically adjust for him, which allows him to exist outside of time even when the events change so that he shouldn't exist. So the timelines overwrite one another but Aoba can exist no matter what. The same thing probably applies to Hina. Perhaps anyone who gets thrown into the time singularity exists outside of time.

Another theory that people are throwing around now is that there's a double loop, or rather, a inner loop and an outer loop. The Hina cycle was the inner loop and right now we're in the outer loop. The outer loop could actually be part of the original timeline, ie where Aoba never was sent to the future and becomes a scientist to create the time travel stuff related to Coupling wavelengths, etc. There's not really enough information to really explore this 2nd idea though, but it'd be kind of interesting if they decide to go this route for S2 as it'll tell us how everything started, including why Aoba is so integral to the whole time travel mechanics and how things will end.

Technically Aoba being a scientist developing the coupling system can only work in timelines already within another loop. Originally there has to be someone who made the coupling system without any involvement with the singularity.

[FlareKnight]

Certainly makes a lot more sense now why Zogilia is so advanced and has had such a strong advantage. Competence of course is a key thing, but you do have someone with future knowledge driving things forward. Bizon must have known where the major deposits of nectoribium were and have a good grasp of the military history of Zogilia. Wonder how much he felt needed to restrain himself in order to ensure he still ended up keeping the loop going?

After all if he just wanted to get his revenge could have done things differently to ensure that. Like taking steps to secure Hina or just unleashing his whole military right where Aoba was going to turn up in the future.

If so then Zogilia might have a lot of trump cards ready to play now. Bizon might not feel the need to hold anything back going forward.

[Esclair]

Originally Posted by Flames

Technically Aoba being a scientist developing the coupling system can only work in timelines already within another loop. Originally there has to be someone who made the coupling system without any involvement with the singularity.

Aoba could have been the original creator of the time traveling theory in the original timeline. Maybe in some kind of experiment accident he unleashes the singularity, pulling himself into the plane beyond space and time, causing his own brain waves to be overlaid with the wavelengths that are specific to the coupling system/ time travel. Ie, he removed himself from his own timeline, which causes it be reset, but now imprints his wavelength as universal law.

In fact the loop could very well be a result of his actions in the original timeline, ie, the timeline auto corrects into a loop due to his actions. Throwing some Stein's Gate esque ideas into the basket, perhaps Hina was from his original timeline, and he was trying to conduct the time experiments due to Hina? Maybe Hina got thrown into the future (young Hina) and he then expands his experiments to try to bring her back, but unfortunately results in him erasing himself from his own timeline, and thus resulting in the loop that seems to have both Hina and himself as a paradox.

[dniv]

I honestly don't see why we couldn't just have Hina's motivation for starting the loop unexplained just like we don't know what started the big bang or they're going to reveal something in season 2.

As to how Aoba exists after the timeline was altered and she didn't go back... that I'm pretty sure is the case of a parallel timeline being created... I don't see any other theory that makes sense, and I think any other theory that doesn't assume a parallel time is being forced to fit...

[Haruyasha]

So, if we learned anything from Gundam Seed, it was that humans tend to do stupid and repetitive things.

Therefore, I won't be surprised when I see that Zogilia built a "Garapushka 2" in season 2 ... lol




Also, Garapushka means "Hill Cannon" in Russian. Just saying.

[Benigmatica]

Originally Posted by Haruyasha

So, if we learned anything from Gundam Seed, it was that humans tend to do stupid and repetitive things.

Therefore, I won't be surprised when I see that Zogilia built a "Garapushka 2" in season 2 ... lol




Also, Garapushka means "Hill Cannon" in Russian. Just saying.

If they do that, Zogilian Empire will be crushed easily. You cannot waste your resources on making another giant nector cannon, let alone make a dozen of them.

[Hiyono]

I might have missed this, but if anyone got it, perhaps you could clarify: where does Hina come from originally? As I understand it, this is the chronology of events:

Time X (Aoba's original time): Hina follows Bizon through the time tunnel in Time Z to this time where Aoba meets her for the first time. Entering the time tunnel, Aoba is sent to Time Z and Hina is sent to Time Y.
Time Y (young Hina): Hina is found by her Dad, having somehow reverted in age and losing her memories. She ages normally into Time Z.
Time Z (pre-Time X Hina): The Hina we see for most of the show until the time tunnel is created and she's sent to the past, Time X.

Was she originally just a normal war orphan the first time around and the time tunnel simply intersected with that event or what? If not, where on Earth does she come from?

[Haruyasha]

Originally Posted by Benigmatica

If they do that, Zogilian Empire will be crushed easily. You cannot waste your resources on making another giant nector cannon, let alone make a dozen of them.

I dunno about that. Given how poor the Blue Cosmos was, they still managed to manufacture two waves of nukes, followed by copying the Coordinator nuke cannon. I wouldn't put it past Zogilia to make another cannon, especially after obtaining the time fracture data.

[Esclair]

Originally Posted by Nandesuto

I might have missed this, but if anyone got it, perhaps you could clarify: where does Hina come from originally? As I understand it, this is the chronology of events:

Time X (Aoba's original time): Hina follows Bizon through the time tunnel in Time Z to this time where Aoba meets her for the first time. Entering the time tunnel, Aoba is sent to Time Z and Hina is sent to Time Y.
Time Y (young Hina): Hina is found by her Dad, having somehow reverted in age and losing her memories. She ages normally into Time Z.
Time Z (pre-Time X Hina): The Hina we see for most of the show until the time tunnel is created and she's sent to the past, Time X.

Was she originally just a normal war orphan the first time around and the time tunnel simply intersected with that event or what? If not, where on Earth does she come from?

If we assume she merges with her future self at the end of episode 1, then she probably was originally a war orphan.

[ginger02]

During this last episode, we saw some flashbacks of Bizon where he and Hina were together (riding a camel I think). Was that shown in a previous episode, or was it a new flashback?

For some reason, finishing the show, I find myself most interested in Bizon. Maybe it's a mix of intrigue and humor. I want to see more of him, especially before he went all cuckoo.

[Netto Azure]

Typically the explanation for Sunrise anime's are simple. Though its probably the multiple timeline theory. I can't remember but in the first episode, Bizon's mech got stuck back in the past no? Which allowed for him to affect that timeline. Though in this one that mech was destroyed so... ???

[ID555]

I liked that we found out what happened to the Hina in Ep1 (went back to the future as a little girl, right?), and the whole timeloop thing but everything else in the show is just a little too ordinary for me.

[NeutralZero]

Now that Hina's on board, got to pity the other girl...
still believe the time loop thing is not yet over...
and some draw backs will be seen in S2 if there will be one
and the current Aoba is a form of loop counter for the first infinite loop to continue the next phase that will form a new loop (save Hina and have Bizon thrown in time and be the founder of Zogilia)
Bizon seems to died in the infinite loop in ep 1 when his unit blew
unlike the event that transpire in the final ep where he was thrown in the vortex
If Bizon is the actual founder of Zogilia, then the infinite loop is still connected to them
and where did Hina really came from?
the real origin of the hair pin
Aoba's true connection with the coupling system
and such...

[MgMaster]

How should I describe the last fight during this episode...

It was like I was watching a rape scene,with Bizon being the rapist,Hina the victim and Aoba the hero whom Hina "accepted".

Sunrise definitely had fun some with the sexual innuendos in this series and I did too since I found it pretty amusing. Otherwise,Buddy Complex wasn't very good but it wasn't too bad either.

6/10