Mahouka LN - Master Clan Conference Arc (Volumes 17, 18, & 19) Discussion / Poll

[NAJ P. Jackson]

Poor Kyouko. Why aren't anyone interested in her. She should go after the Tatsuya bowl.

[bakato]

Originally Posted by TrueAlchemist

No, Gu Jie does not know and is currently not interested in Mahesvara, so his identity will not be an issue during Master Clan Conference Arc.

At the end of vol.18, Minami, Miyuki, and Izumi are being attacked. After Humanist thugs realizes, Minami casted the shield magic, two of them took out antinite and used on Miyuki, Izumi, and Minami. The volume ended when Humanists' fists were about to land on Minami.

Spoiler for Vol.18 Spoilers Correction:

I am going through the Mahouka wikia's vol.18 discussion's spoiler page.

1. Gu Jie is not aided by the military. He is just using enhanced soldiers from Jama Base; this facility is operated by both Japanese military and USNA military. This is one of dark secrets that Japanese military wants to hide because this place is the evidence that can prove, the Japanese military supplied Japaneses to USNA for human experimentations.

2. Honoka is not Masaki x Miyuki shipper. Honoka strategically used Masaki to distract Miyuki while Honoka was approaching Tatsuya. The narrator also added his comments on the similarity between war and dating in order to justify Honoka's action.

3. Tatsuya was relieved that Honoka was with Shizuku, but he did not want to spend time with Honoka not because he has a bad feeling towards her. It was mainly because of his mission to catch Gu Jie. Tatsuya is having trouble tracking Gu Jie ever since USNA interfered with him at Jama base.

4. Ono Haruka is not shown in the vol.18. But, she is mentioned in the volume when the narrator explains about Toshikazu's ability to conceal just like Haruka. The narrator mentions, Toshikazu's ability is not as good as Haruka, but his ability is still the first class.

Spoiler for Vol.18 New Character and additional information on existing Characters:

1. Maeda Chizuru
Maeda Chizuru is 3rd High School Principal.
She also went to the 3rd High School with Ichijou Gouki. She was one year senior.
She is very informal for a school principal, but she is hiding her true character while working as a principal. When she attended the 3rd High School, she was excelled in skill test without any equals. Even Gouki got his nose broken by her. ("Breaking nose" is proverb for breaking one's pride. It means, Chizuru may have defeated Gouki with test scores.)

Chizuru used to work for Japanese Navy Force but she left the Navy due to the trouble with senior officer regarding the group sexual harassment. Her military rank was Lieutenant Junior Grade when she left the Navy.

2. Shinonome Yoshimi
Shinonome Yoshimi is 21 Years old and a cousin of Kuroba twins. Her father is older brother of Kuroba twins' deceased mother. She never attended Magic high school, and she attended a communication(cyber) high school (通信高等學校; it is a high school program for ones who cannot attend the school physically.) because she has been working on search-type missions.

Yoshimi always wears the same look: a casquette, a large sunglasses, and a muffler scarf that covers up to the bottom of her nose.

3. Kuroba Ayako
Ever since Tatsuya's engagement to Miyuki, Ayako has been trying to accept the reality. Ayako is no longer holding herself back towards Tatsuya, so she is more open to Tatsuya, and the distance between Tatsuya and Ayako seems shortened. (The author used the word, 辭讓 (it means restrain, reserve, and holding back))

4. Chiba Toshikazu
Erika dislikes Toshikazu because when Erika was young and was training with Toshikaze, Toshikaze beat her up until she cannot stand. (whenever they trained together). So, even Toshikaze jokes, it gets on Erika's nerve. In addition, his words also pierce through the deep inside of Erika's mind, so it makes her mad even more.

5. Fujibayashi Kyouko
Fujibayashi Kyouko makes a scene in this volume. She disappointed that Toshikazu did not know her promotion. She assumes, if he is interested in her, he should be able to register her name into search engine. At the end, she felt lonely after misunderstanding the entire situation. (Toshikazu was simply too busy with dealing aftermath of Yokohama incident and Vampire (parasite) incident).

6. Sawamura Maki
Sawamura Maki is actually only one year older than Shippo Takuma. ( I am currently double-checking this with the translator.)
When Takuma visited Maki, she was planning to treat him well and sent him home. But, after she realizes how much Takuma has changed and was impressed with Takuma, she tried to cross the line regardless of Tatsuya's warning. But, Takuma stopped her by asking for a help. Takuma said, he will do anything for this favor. According to the narrator, Takuma will regret for this favor but will keep his words. He will make a debut on screen as an actor who plays an opposite role of Maki while attending Magic University.
(If Mahouka ends with the high school, at least we know Tatsuya will not blow the world to kingdom come.)

But which side gave him the soldiers? Or did he take them himself?

[black_cat1]

Originally Posted by NAJ P. Jackson

Poor Kyouko. Why aren't anyone interested in her. She should go after the Tatsuya bowl.

Toshikazu is in love with her, he just couldn't realize it himself (his surbodinate Inagaki does though). I think the author will make him and Kyouko a couple, watching his emotions run wild when he meet Kyouko in the cafe shop is funny

[zerozeronine]

Originally Posted by TrueAlchemist

No, Gu Jie does not know and is currently not interested in Mahesvara, so his identity will not be an issue during Master Clan Conference Arc.

At the end of vol.18, Minami, Miyuki, and Izumi are being attacked. After Humanist thugs realizes, Minami casted the shield magic, two of them took out antinite and used on Miyuki, Izumi, and Minami. The volume ended when Humanists' fists were about to land on Minami.

Spoiler for Vol.18 Spoilers Correction:

I am going through the Mahouka wikia's vol.18 discussion's spoiler page.

1. Gu Jie is not aided by the military. He is just using enhanced soldiers from Jama Base; this facility is operated by both Japanese military and USNA military. This is one of dark secrets that Japanese military wants to hide because this place is the evidence that can prove, the Japanese military supplied Japaneses to USNA for human experimentations.

2. Honoka is not Masaki x Miyuki shipper. Honoka strategically used Masaki to distract Miyuki while Honoka was approaching Tatsuya. The narrator also added his comments on the similarity between war and dating in order to justify Honoka's action.

3. Tatsuya was relieved that Honoka was with Shizuku, but he did not want to spend time with Honoka not because he has a bad feeling towards her. It was mainly because of his mission to catch Gu Jie. Tatsuya is having trouble tracking Gu Jie ever since USNA interfered with him at Jama base.

4. Ono Haruka is not shown in the vol.18. But, she is mentioned in the volume when the narrator explains about Toshikazu's ability to conceal just like Haruka. The narrator mentions, Toshikazu's ability is not as good as Haruka, but his ability is still the first class.

Spoiler for Vol.18 New Character and additional information on existing Characters:

1. Maeda Chizuru
Maeda Chizuru is 3rd High School Principal.
She also went to the 3rd High School with Ichijou Gouki. She was one year senior.
She is very informal for a school principal, but she is hiding her true character while working as a principal. When she attended the 3rd High School, she was excelled in skill test without any equals. Even Gouki got his nose broken by her. ("Breaking nose" is proverb for breaking one's pride. It means, Chizuru may have defeated Gouki with test scores.)

Chizuru used to work for Japanese Navy Force but she left the Navy due to the trouble with senior officer regarding the group sexual harassment. Her military rank was Lieutenant Junior Grade when she left the Navy.

2. Shinonome Yoshimi
Shinonome Yoshimi is 21 Years old and a cousin of Kuroba twins. Her father is older brother of Kuroba twins' deceased mother. She never attended Magic high school, and she attended a communication(cyber) high school (通信高等學校; it is a high school program for ones who cannot attend the school physically.) because she has been working on search-type missions.

Yoshimi always wears the same look: a casquette, a large sunglasses, and a muffler scarf that covers up to the bottom of her nose.

3. Kuroba Ayako
Ever since Tatsuya's engagement to Miyuki, Ayako has been trying to accept the reality. Ayako is no longer holding herself back towards Tatsuya, so she is more open to Tatsuya, and the distance between Tatsuya and Ayako seems shortened. (The author used the word, 辭讓 (it means restrain, reserve, and holding back))

4. Chiba Toshikazu
Erika dislikes Toshikazu because when Erika was young and was training with Toshikaze, Toshikaze beat her up until she cannot stand. (whenever they trained together). So, even Toshikaze jokes, it gets on Erika's nerve. In addition, his words also pierce through the deep inside of Erika's mind, so it makes her mad even more.

5. Fujibayashi Kyouko
Fujibayashi Kyouko makes a scene in this volume. She disappointed that Toshikazu did not know her promotion. She assumes, if he is interested in her, he should be able to register her name into search engine. At the end, she felt lonely after misunderstanding the entire situation. (Toshikazu was simply too busy with dealing aftermath of Yokohama incident and Vampire (parasite) incident).

6. Sawamura Maki
Sawamura Maki is actually only one year older than Shippo Takuma. ( I am currently double-checking this with the translator.)
When Takuma visited Maki, she was planning to treat him well and sent him home. But, after she realizes how much Takuma has changed and was impressed with Takuma, she tried to cross the line regardless of Tatsuya's warning. But, Takuma stopped her by asking for a help. Takuma said, he will do anything for this favor. According to the narrator, Takuma will regret for this favor but will keep his words. He will make a debut on screen as an actor who plays an opposite role of Maki while attending Magic University.
(If Mahouka ends with the high school, at least we know Tatsuya will not blow the world to kingdom come.)

Thanks.So is the spoiler that Miyuki just easily use magic and defeated the thugs even with antinite was wrong/fake?

[IceHism]

Originally Posted by zerozeronine

Thanks.So is the spoiler that Miyuki just easily use magic and defeated the thugs even with antinite was wrong/fake?

Not sure if she beat the thugs but
Even if the spoiler was wrong or fake, I think she can still use magic under antinite. She showed it before

[zerozeronine]

Originally Posted by IceHism

Not sure if she beat the thugs but
Even if the spoiler was wrong or fake, I think she can still use magic under antinite. She showed it before

I don't remember she used magic against antinite until the fake spoilers this volume,wasn't it just Tatsuya?

[black_cat1]

If Miyuki use Cocytus then the Antinite is useless

[IceHism]

Originally Posted by zerozeronine

I don't remember she used magic against antinite until the fake spoilers this volume,wasn't it just Tatsuya?

Nah, she did it in yuutousei

[Chris38]

Well ... it has been mentioned a few times in the earlier volumes that Miyuki's appearance doesn't reflect her actual physical capabilities ... which makes sense considering that she was also underwent some training with Yakumo so I think it's possible that we might finally see what kind of physical techniques Miyuki has at her disposal.

Minami probably also isn't defenseless, since as a Guardian of the Yotsuba family, I think that she has underwent some physical training as well...

[zerozeronine]

Originally Posted by IceHism

Nah, she did it in yuutousei

Not been reading any manga for a few months now

Originally Posted by Chris38

Well ... it has been mentioned a few times in the earlier volumes that Miyuki's appearance doesn't reflect her actual physical capabilities ... which makes sense considering that she was also underwent some training with Yakumo so I think it's possible that we might finally see what kind of physical techniques Miyuki has at her disposal.

Minami probably also isn't defenseless, since as a Guardian of the Yotsuba family, I think that she has underwent some physical training as well...

I remember debates that Miyuki hadn't done any physical training and that ojou-sama Mayumi can keep up with her until volume 15 was translated

[Ultragunner]

wait, I have always had the impression that Toshizaku was some sort of "no good" older brother who liked to spoil and tease Erika thus always ended up getting scoledy by her , no idea he was a harsh brother taht made his sister hate him

[-Mahesvara_]

Originally Posted by Ultragunner

wait, I have always had the impression that Toshizaku was some sort of "no good" older brother who liked to spoil and tease Erika thus always ended up getting scoledy by her , no idea he was a harsh brother taht made his sister hate him

Yeah, now I don't blame her for disliking him lol. Before I felt her feelings were irrationalt, but now i'm glad that I was wrong.

[FLS_Carnage]

Originally Posted by zerozeronine

I don't remember she used magic against antinite until the fake spoilers this volume,wasn't it just Tatsuya?

I believe Miyuki used Cocytus on someone was using antinite in vol 8.

[FLS_Carnage]

Originally Posted by TrueAlchemist

No, Gu Jie does not know and is currently not interested in Mahesvara, so his identity will not be an issue during Master Clan Conference Arc.

At the end of vol.18, Minami, Miyuki, and Izumi are being attacked. After Humanist thugs realizes, Minami casted the shield magic, two of them took out antinite and used on Miyuki, Izumi, and Minami. The volume ended when Humanists' fists were about to land on Minami.

Spoiler for Vol.18 Spoilers Correction:

I am going through the Mahouka wikia's vol.18 discussion's spoiler page.

1. Gu Jie is not aided by the military. He is just using enhanced soldiers from Jama Base; this facility is operated by both Japanese military and USNA military. This is one of dark secrets that Japanese military wants to hide because this place is the evidence that can prove, the Japanese military supplied Japaneses to USNA for human experimentations.

2. Honoka is not Masaki x Miyuki shipper. Honoka strategically used Masaki to distract Miyuki while Honoka was approaching Tatsuya. The narrator also added his comments on the similarity between war and dating in order to justify Honoka's action.

3. Tatsuya was relieved that Honoka was with Shizuku, but he did not want to spend time with Honoka not because he has a bad feeling towards her. It was mainly because of his mission to catch Gu Jie. Tatsuya is having trouble tracking Gu Jie ever since USNA interfered with him at Jama base.

4. Ono Haruka is not shown in the vol.18. But, she is mentioned in the volume when the narrator explains about Toshikazu's ability to conceal just like Haruka. The narrator mentions, Toshikazu's ability is not as good as Haruka, but his ability is still the first class.

Spoiler for Vol.18 New Character and additional information on existing Characters:

1. Maeda Chizuru
Maeda Chizuru is 3rd High School Principal.
She also went to the 3rd High School with Ichijou Gouki. She was one year senior.
She is very informal for a school principal, but she is hiding her true character while working as a principal. When she attended the 3rd High School, she was excelled in skill test without any equals. Even Gouki got his nose broken by her. ("Breaking nose" is proverb for breaking one's pride. It means, Chizuru may have defeated Gouki with test scores.)

Chizuru used to work for Japanese Navy Force but she left the Navy due to the trouble with senior officer regarding the group sexual harassment. Her military rank was Lieutenant Junior Grade when she left the Navy.

2. Shinonome Yoshimi
Shinonome Yoshimi is 21 Years old and a cousin of Kuroba twins. Her father is older brother of Kuroba twins' deceased mother. She never attended Magic high school, and she attended a communication(cyber) high school (通信高等學校; it is a high school program for ones who cannot attend the school physically.) because she has been working on search-type missions.

Yoshimi always wears the same look: a casquette, a large sunglasses, and a muffler scarf that covers up to the bottom of her nose.

3. Kuroba Ayako
Ever since Tatsuya's engagement to Miyuki, Ayako has been trying to accept the reality. Ayako is no longer holding herself back towards Tatsuya, so she is more open to Tatsuya, and the distance between Tatsuya and Ayako seems shortened. (The author used the word, 辭讓 (it means restrain, reserve, and holding back))

4. Chiba Toshikazu
Erika dislikes Toshikazu because when Erika was young and was training with Toshikaze, Toshikaze beat her up until she cannot stand. (whenever they trained together). So, even Toshikaze jokes, it gets on Erika's nerve. In addition, his words also pierce through the deep inside of Erika's mind, so it makes her mad even more.

5. Fujibayashi Kyouko
Fujibayashi Kyouko makes a scene in this volume. She disappointed that Toshikazu did not know her promotion. She assumes, if he is interested in her, he should be able to register her name into search engine. At the end, she felt lonely after misunderstanding the entire situation. (Toshikazu was simply too busy with dealing aftermath of Yokohama incident and Vampire (parasite) incident).

6. Sawamura Maki
Sawamura Maki is actually only one year older than Shippo Takuma. ( I am currently double-checking this with the translator.)
When Takuma visited Maki, she was planning to treat him well and sent him home. But, after she realizes how much Takuma has changed and was impressed with Takuma, she tried to cross the line regardless of Tatsuya's warning. But, Takuma stopped her by asking for a help. Takuma said, he will do anything for this favor. According to the narrator, Takuma will regret for this favor but will keep his words. He will make a debut on screen as an actor who plays an opposite role of Maki while attending Magic University.
(If Mahouka ends with the high school, at least we know Tatsuya will not blow the world to kingdom come.)

I like that Tatsuya and Ayako are getting closer. I'm TatsuyaxMiyuki but I think it'd be interesting if Satou developed her into a serious threat to Miyuki. I feel like Ayako also being a Yotsuba gives her an advantage that the other girls don't have.

[Chris38]

^ It all depends on how Tatsuya's 'mental condition' is going to continue being developed.

After all ... if no major changes occur in that area, I don't see how someone can become a serious threat to Miyuki

[TrueAlchemist]

Originally Posted by azarhal

@TrueAlchemist thanks for fixing some misunderstanding
The Chiba appear to be a screwed up family too, which I kinda expected every since it was said that Nao was the only one "nice" to Erika.

It may be just me, but we may be able to read why Chiba Toshikazu was so tough on Erika in the future volume.

Originally Posted by bakato

But which side gave him the soldiers? Or did he take them himself?

Gu Jie had a supporter inside of Jama Base. A supporter (A director of the facility) was being manipulated by the Gu Jie's magic. After getting enhanced soldiers, Gu Jie turned them into "Regenerator".

Originally Posted by zerozeronine

Thanks.So is the spoiler that Miyuki just easily use magic and defeated the thugs even with antinite was wrong/fake?

As far as I know, it is a false spoiler. According to the translator, he was also unhappy because the vol.18 just ended at the climax where Minami was about to get hit by Humanists.

Originally Posted by black_cat1

Toshikazu is in love with her, he just couldn't realize it himself (his surbodinate Inagaki does though). I think the author will make him and Kyouko a couple, watching his emotions run wild when he meet Kyouko in the cafe shop is funny

I agree, but it will be absolutely up to the author because Chiba Toshikazu is currently on the hand of Gu jie. Based on Gu Jie's habit of turning magicians as "Regenerator", it is highly possible that Gu Jie may turn Toshikazu into a regenerator. After Gu Jie ran away from Tatsuya and his group, Gu Jie is heading to a student(Oumi Kazukiyo) of his old friend in order to use him. While he is moving, Gu Jie is looking for better material than enhanced soldiers that he stole from Japanese military. And, now, Gu Jie has three materials (magicians): Inagaki, Toshikazu, and Oumi Kazukiyo. Gu Jie is trying to use them to buy time before he runs away from Japan.

Who knows? "Unexpected enemy" may be Toshikazu. Tatsuya already heard USNA STARS has dispatched Canopus from Lina. So, Canopus is being expected by Tatsuya, and Tatsuya already faced USNA soldiers at Jama base.

And, if Toshikazu survives, Toshikazu x Kyouko may happen. Right now, Toshikazu and Inagaki are in deep sh*t because Kyouko and 101 battalion used them as a bait to test a magician(Oumi Kazukiyo) who may have been supporting magicians from Dahan. After they made a mistake of concluding Kazukiyo as non-related to Dahan magicians, Kazukiyo's magic was starting to influence on Inagaki. So, nobody can even assumes that Toshikazu and Inagaki are in deep trouble.

[amtro]

But Gu Jie can't just turn a magician into a generator without the right equipment. Generators are magical cyborgs, he doesn't have the facilities to be making them.

[Diocar]

it is interesting that the vol ended with ppl related to tats being attacked and in a way it is usna fault for helping gu jie run away. there are lots of potential for seeing na angry tats....

btw i am pretty positive that the concentration of antinite won t be enough for stoping miyuki's magic and that minami must have some serious phisical training so i don t see anything special happening there... (besides tats getting angry becau miyuki was attacked)

[pampz21]

@True

Thx for the clarification; can't wait for next vol. Just wish that Erika doesn't get herself killed before the her SS(and Leo) or is it the Kuroba Twin SS?

[FLS_Carnage]

Originally Posted by Chris38

^ It all depends on how Tatsuya's 'mental condition' is going to continue being developed.

After all ... if no major changes occur in that area, I don't see how someone can become a serious threat to Miyuki

Maybe not a real threat, but a perceived threat. Miyuki is worried that she will make a mistake and Tatsuya will call off the engagement. Ayako is a Yotsuba, her Perfect Diffusion is described as being similar to Tatsuya's Decomposition, and she has had a good relationship with Tatsuya for longer that Miyuki has. I could definitely see Miyuki getting paranoid about Tatsuya's relationship with Ayako.