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View Poll Results: Macross Frontier: Sayonara no Tsubasa Movie Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 40 | 42.11% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 33 | 34.74% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 12 | 12.63% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 5 | 5.26% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 3 | 3.16% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 2.11% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2011-04-30, 22:34 | Link #2121 |
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ah, and I just looked carefully at the scan you linked (from darkplataform). The stuff about Sheryl and Ranka was pretty much copied word for word to 2ch, and you can see the heading for "Whether Alto lives or not" in the bottom right corner. So it should be genuine - the only question being which magazine it was in, and if you don't mind checking... m(_ _ )m
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2011-04-30, 23:28 | Link #2123 | |
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Is this offtopic? XD; It pertains the second movie...
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2011-05-02, 09:50 | Link #2126 | |
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Is the scan anywhere yet? I thought I'd look at my usual magazine news source/blather for information on the official book and she didn't have anything interesting to say. But then again she's a bigger Gundam fan than a Macross fan so she might have just not cared...
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2011-05-02, 10:09 | Link #2127 | |
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Still, it doesn't really make sense to me why they'd work so hard on making the ending relatively ambiguous, only to crush that ambiguity in an anime magazine interview. Although the interview is still rather ambiguous... EDIT: I'll join the others in not understanding why CrowKenobi declares this off-topic. |
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2011-05-02, 12:21 | Link #2128 |
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^ Probably for the same reason why they left the triangle "open" to the movies (even if the "winner" was kind of obvious?): buy more merchandise.
It seems to me everything got progressively less and less grim. The OST (with May'n claims), Kawamori's interview, Sheryl manga and the Sheryl Visual collection FINAL. That way there's a more sweet than bitter ending without reducing the impact of the movie ending.
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But you don't get the point. The audience doesn't have to leave happy, but they have the right to leave sure what the hell happened! In the end, all loose strings must be pulled and the story concluded. The series DID it, with everything, except the triangle: Grace died, Howard Glass died. Grace died. Sheryl lived, Alto lived. Michel died. Klan lived. THAT'S what normal ending means, and it wouldn't be less normal if Sheryl died (I wrote about it earlier). More tragic, but just as normal. But the movie has NO CONCLUSION! We don't know what happens to Alto, don't know what happens to Sheryl. We aren't even sure what happened to Brera. And, the living room elephant, we don't know what happeden to MACROSS GALAXY and what it will do. Nothing is resolved, everything is dangling. This usually only happengin a sequel hook (like, say, Episode 24 of the series) and never in the end that is worth its name. Bu putting this in the end, Kawamori basically broke everything - like a cook that can make most delicious meals but feels compelled to add a opiece of shit to each. And this cannot be resolved by us writing something... Quote:
See, IF he had stated "Series is the highest canon, what really happened. Everything else is just in-universe reimagining." - like most productions do ("Primary canon is main canon"), everbody would be happy. Or if he had stated "Movie is just as canon as series, but other stuff (like 'Kiss In the Galaxy' manga and this fighter spec) are canon too", everbody would be also happy. But what DOES he do? He promotes movies - the one source with most ending uncertainities and unresolved doubts - as equal canon to series (and implicitly as higher canon than series: it came late and other materials are centered around it, rather than series), while simultaneously giving many almost-clear-but-never-clear-enough hints about how the story ended (see interview - couldn't he just say whether Sheryl awoke or not? ), AND decanonifying everything that would give us answer (like this fighter spec and aforementioned manga, which I recall he declared lower than movies). And since he is doing that repeatedly, people get mad and want to yell at him: "Stop this bloody game of unclear hints! Tell us how the story ended already! Or, if you cannot do that, at least stand back and don't decanonify (= declare nonexistent) those sources who do!" THAT'S what is so EVIL about his ending: he produces movie that, according to all dramatic laws is unfinished, doesn't finishes it himself in his interviews and prevents everybody else from finishing it by putting those non-canon disclaimers in their works. He is like somebody who builds a pretty and strong castle but never builds one of the walls, even though all the plans for it are there, AND uses explosives of "non-canon" to blast everything other people try to build to finish the wall. And that's why it doesn't matter how many endings WE create (FFNet has quite a lot). As long as Kawamiri stands guard and never allows any decisive info to become canon, the story is unfinished and thus butchered. And this AFTER it was basically finished in the series. With almost any western productiom, I'm sure executives would pick an ending (a REAL ending I mean) to be canon, but... Quote:
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2011-05-02, 15:48 | Link #2130 | |
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2011-05-02, 16:50 | Link #2131 | |
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2011-05-02, 17:09 | Link #2132 | |
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2011-05-04, 04:28 | Link #2133 | |
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2011-05-04, 06:11 | Link #2136 | |
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In fact wouldn't Ranka be more likely than Sheryl to lose her affection towards Alto due to it happening when she was sixteen, and being turned down, then with Sheryl in a coma and Alto not around. I imagine that Ranka would have met someone in that time period and fallen in love with them. Wouldn't that be more in character for movie Ranka? *critiquing your fic ideas* |
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2011-05-04, 06:36 | Link #2137 | |
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And considering that Sheryl does in fact wake up and Alto returns your point is once again moot. |
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2011-05-04, 07:19 | Link #2138 | |
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2011-05-04, 10:32 | Link #2139 | |
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But yeah...LoveMeKags is still wrong, either way. |
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2011-05-04, 13:30 | Link #2140 |
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So.. This thread is a little bit scary...
I don't know if it's been answered yet, but any ideas on when the Blu Ray or the DVD comes out? Sorry if it's been answered but judging by some of the above... I don't want to read some of these conversations.... I'll have to wait to see the actual thing first. Then I'll pass final judgement. Last edited by Foreshadow; 2011-05-04 at 16:12. |
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