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ZeroXSEED · 2014-10-06, 20:58

That orange nympho will be the first one to die :V

KleenexGhost · 2014-10-06, 21:01

Death lottery already? I can Zola being the first of the pilots to bite as well.

Master_Yoma · 2014-10-06, 21:05

Well the begining was quite hopeful then it turn dark very fast

Revolutionist · 2014-10-06, 21:06

I almost threw up while reading some of those ANN "reviews" if one can call them that.

How dare they show something shocking in my Japanese cartoons!

It's not like the show is condoning rape or sexual molestation, and it certainly isn't glorifying it. That scene was all about Ange hitting bottom after losing everything, her position, her mother, her identity and her dignity. The rape was used, as it is in real life, as a way of showing the victim how utterly powerless they are, it's a way for the rapist to exert control over their victim. The context in which it was used was OK imho, as a story telling tool. Some folks just have to take off the SJW glasses.

ZeroXSEED · 2014-10-06, 21:13

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Originally Posted by Revolutionist

certainly isn't glorifying it

AHAHAHAHAHA

No

They could actually present the rape as much more horrifying by not focusing to the nudity aspect. But no, the scene composition were made for titillation. Because sex sell

Kazu-kun · 2014-10-06, 21:14

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Originally Posted by Revolutionist

I almost threw up while reading some of those ANN "reviews" if one can call them that.

Everyone has their own opinions, and it's not like they don't have a point.

Darthtabby · 2014-10-06, 21:15

ANN's reviewers have a tendency to get up in arms over nothing at times (some of their early reactions to B Gata H Kei come to mind) but here I'm less inclined to be critical since the ending of this episode was pretty exploitative. It may have served some purpose in the larger story but I think the people who are claiming it wasn't being played for fan service are in denial. Its pretty blatantly being played for fan service.

~~DuelGundam2099~~ · 2014-10-06, 21:16

I decided to give this series a watch because of all the cavity search controversy and I safely say NO THIS WAS NOT F**KING RAPE! This was a cavity search and the patient was emotionally distressed, there is a difference! I- I'm done.

*walks away*

*walks back*

Oh yeah and the main mecha even moves like the Strike Freedom. And the setting looks like Mai-Otome. And it looks like this will not be essentially the one-gendered cast the promoted material gave us.

Also Ange did not seem as "horrible" as y'all are making her out to be, seemed more like she was just insensitive due to buying into national propaganda. I have seen FAR more despicable and unlikeable characters than her (Revy from Black Lagoon comes to mind).

ZeroXSEED · 2014-10-06, 21:20

I actually sympathize with Ange

She was raised that way, in a sheltered life where everything around her life was a carefully constructed lie. This is racism on par if not worse than the age of dark skinned slaves, people like ange is dime a dozen.

Her downfall and subsequent effort of climbing back from the abyss is what made me keep watching

KleenexGhost · 2014-10-06, 21:26

Am I in the wrong because I felt the scene was effective in getting it's point across. The feeling I got from it was, to put it lightly, Ange is in a s#it situation. She's lost everything even her name. She's got nothing. Some people feel that the shot of her ass wiggling was unnecessary, but she was trying to get away. How they handle the aftermath will be interesting. From that one preview in which the writer saw the first half of the second episode they don't touch on it, but that doesn't mean they're not going to. And if they don't then criticize as you see fit.

~~DuelGundam2099~~ · 2014-10-06, 21:29

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This is racism

I see more of a parallel with homophobia, personally.

Kazu-kun · 2014-10-06, 21:30

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Originally Posted by DuelGundam2099

I decided to give this series a watch because of all the cavity search controversy and I safely say NO THIS WAS NOT F**KING RAPE! This was a cavity search and the patient was emotionally distressed, there is a difference! I- I'm done.

You do know Jill's the supreme commander of the island, right? There's only one reason she goes out of her way to do "cavity search" on new inmates.

And Ange was more than just distressed. She was terrified. And they not only did this "cavity search" to her. They also beat her up and brutalized her.

~~DuelGundam2099~~ · 2014-10-06, 21:33

If she did it for kicks her body language gave the impression she was extremely uncaring and neutral (even her voice didn't seem remotely enthused).

ZeroXSEED · 2014-10-06, 21:34

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Originally Posted by DuelGundam2099

I see more of a parallel with homophobia, personally.

Slaves were commodity, see where I'm going?

KleenexGhost · 2014-10-06, 21:35

In the subs I saw it was called a "physical."

@Duel That's why I'm interested to see what made her this way.

n0m@n · 2014-10-06, 21:37

Jill who is a Norma herself act more violent towards Ange than Emma(who isn't a Norma). The character description did say she treats Ange worse among the other Normas. Maybe she has some grudge agaisnt the empire of Misurugi and the royals(and maybe it also has to do with her metal arm)?

Kazu-kun · 2014-10-06, 21:38

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Originally Posted by DuelGundam2099

If she did it for kicks her body language gave the impression she was extremely uncaring and neutral (even her voice didn't seem remotely enthused).

I don't think she does it for kicks. Remember she's a Norma herself, yet she was brutalizing and humiliating Ange for being a Norma. Clearly she has some serious issues. She seems to be projecting some sort of self-loathing, or perhaps she has something against her family.

KleenexGhost · 2014-10-06, 21:43

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Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

I don't think she does for kicks. I think she has her own trauma. Remember she's a Norma herself, yet she was brutalizing Ange and humiliating for being a Norma. Clearly she has some serious issues.

Possibly doing it in order to make Ange accept that she is Norma? Pissed that a member of the royal family that lets the status quo treatment of Norma fly was actually a Norma all along? Maybe she's just accepted that this is the way her life is after years of going through some things? We don't know yet, that's why I'm hoping the show goes deeper into it.

Edit: I will say she seemed somewhat amused when she told Ange to come and take back her belongings.

Kazu-kun · 2014-10-06, 21:48

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Originally Posted by KleenexGhost

Possibly doing it in order to make Ange accept that she is Norma?

Well, she didn't need to rape her to get the point across, but perhaps that's just the writer trying to be edgy (and failing miserably).

Either way, I don't care for Jill's reasons. She crossed the line as far as I'm concerned, so I just want her to get eaten by a dragon.

~~DuelGundam2099~~ · 2014-10-06, 21:51

Just Jill and not the entire Empire?

2014-10-06, 20:58	Link #261
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	That orange nympho will be the first one to die :V __________________

2014-10-06, 21:01	Link #262
KleenexGhost Riding the Ange Express Join Date: May 2012 Location: Sunriseland	Death lottery already? I can Zola being the first of the pilots to bite as well. __________________ "You know what these are, Mom? They're gazebos! They're BULLSH*T!" - Eddie Kaspbrak

2014-10-06, 21:05	Link #263
Master_Yoma Nekokota Festival Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lost in the Fairy Forest	Well the begining was quite hopeful then it turn dark very fast __________________

2014-10-06, 21:06	Link #264
Revolutionist Puppet Master Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Behind You	I almost threw up while reading some of those ANN "reviews" if one can call them that. How dare they show something shocking in my Japanese cartoons! It's not like the show is condoning rape or sexual molestation, and it certainly isn't glorifying it. That scene was all about Ange hitting bottom after losing everything, her position, her mother, her identity and her dignity. The rape was used, as it is in real life, as a way of showing the victim how utterly powerless they are, it's a way for the rapist to exert control over their victim. The context in which it was used was OK imho, as a story telling tool. Some folks just have to take off the SJW glasses. __________________ I cannot give you back your homes, or restore your dead to life, but perhaps I can give you justice, in the name of our King. ~ Ned Stark

2014-10-06, 21:20	Link #269
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	I actually sympathize with Ange She was raised that way, in a sheltered life where everything around her life was a carefully constructed lie. This is racism on par if not worse than the age of dark skinned slaves, people like ange is dime a dozen. Her downfall and subsequent effort of climbing back from the abyss is what made me keep watching __________________

2014-10-06, 21:15	Link #267
Darthtabby Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009	ANN's reviewers have a tendency to get up in arms over nothing at times (some of their early reactions to B Gata H Kei come to mind) but here I'm less inclined to be critical since the ending of this episode was pretty exploitative. It may have served some purpose in the larger story but I think the people who are claiming it wasn't being played for fan service are in denial. Its pretty blatantly being played for fan service.

2014-10-06, 21:16	Link #268
~~DuelGundam2099~~ Disabled By Request Join Date: Feb 2013	I decided to give this series a watch because of all the cavity search controversy and I safely say NO THIS WAS NOT F*KING RAPE! This was a cavity search and the patient was emotionally distressed, there is a difference! I- I'm done. walks away* walks back Oh yeah and the main mecha even moves like the Strike Freedom. And the setting looks like Mai-Otome. And it looks like this will not be essentially the one-gendered cast the promoted material gave us. Also Ange did not seem as "horrible" as y'all are making her out to be, seemed more like she was just insensitive due to buying into national propaganda. I have seen FAR more despicable and unlikeable characters than her (Revy from Black Lagoon comes to mind).

2014-10-06, 21:26	Link #270
KleenexGhost Riding the Ange Express Join Date: May 2012 Location: Sunriseland	Am I in the wrong because I felt the scene was effective in getting it's point across. The feeling I got from it was, to put it lightly, Ange is in a s#it situation. She's lost everything even her name. She's got nothing. Some people feel that the shot of her ass wiggling was unnecessary, but she was trying to get away. How they handle the aftermath will be interesting. From that one preview in which the writer saw the first half of the second episode they don't touch on it, but that doesn't mean they're not going to. And if they don't then criticize as you see fit. __________________ "You know what these are, Mom? They're gazebos! They're BULLSH*T!" - Eddie Kaspbrak

2014-10-06, 21:33	Link #273
~~DuelGundam2099~~ Disabled By Request Join Date: Feb 2013	If she did it for kicks her body language gave the impression she was extremely uncaring and neutral (even her voice didn't seem remotely enthused).

2014-10-06, 21:35	Link #275
KleenexGhost Riding the Ange Express Join Date: May 2012 Location: Sunriseland	In the subs I saw it was called a "physical." @Duel That's why I'm interested to see what made her this way. __________________ "You know what these are, Mom? They're gazebos! They're BULLSH*T!" - Eddie Kaspbrak

2014-10-06, 21:37	Link #276
n0m@n C-Z Join Date: Jan 2011	Jill who is a Norma herself act more violent towards Ange than Emma(who isn't a Norma). The character description did say she treats Ange worse among the other Normas. Maybe she has some grudge agaisnt the empire of Misurugi and the royals(and maybe it also has to do with her metal arm)?

2014-10-06, 21:51	Link #280
~~DuelGundam2099~~ Disabled By Request Join Date: Feb 2013	Just Jill and not the entire Empire?