2006-06-14, 22:07 | Link #61 |
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With 43 beam guns that can shoots in virtually all directions, did Providence even need a beam rifle? Same goes for Legend. It can even shoot its Dragoons while they're still docked. When you consider that, Legend's need of a beam rifle is even less so than Providence.
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2006-06-14, 22:14 | Link #62 |
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Sorry sorry, I should've added one line to that as well.
That line would be : "You can't compare the performances of Legend and Providence in GS/GSD because of the significant differences in the abilities of the pilots." If we just argue stats however, things change. In the case of raw firepower Proivence would win easily in ONLY space scenarios, but as Providence never displayed any flexible turrent ability that Legend used (even during it's debut fight), I would state that Providence lacks any notable significant usefulness outside of that domain. Improved offensive/defensive equipment variety, speed, agility, and other useful advantages (Computer Assisted Dragoons) make Legend the better suit in every other way. And yes, Providence's left shield had *2* beam rifles and a giant beam sword integrated into it. Rever129 - I'm sure that Legend's flippable dragoons still lack the flexability and accuracy of a hand-held beam rifle. |
2006-06-14, 23:09 | Link #66 |
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I have the model, the reason why the hip armour can swivel like this is just like most other models with hip armour that's joint the same way. A rod/hole joint.
Its not designed originally to swivel this way.
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2006-06-15, 00:30 | Link #67 |
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Not to mention, Raww would rather send everyone looking at where are the DRAGOONs. It'll hit you when you never expect it.
And the beam rifle is there for a reason. Remember how Raww destroyed the escape shuttle (and killing Flay RIGHT IN FRONT of Kira's eyes)? |
2006-06-15, 07:50 | Link #69 |
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To me, it isn't very easy to understand why the rifle has to be large, bulky and long in size when its power and accuracy isn't that much significant compared to other rifles.
v_v... is there really something I'm missing here? Legend could hold Destiny's rifle and still have the same strategy cant it? |
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2006-06-15, 20:04 | Link #72 |
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Well there's no real evidence or stats that justifies the huge rifle of being more or less powerful or versatile - from the footage so far, it does not seem to feature anything significantly different from standard beam rifles.
But I'd say, such a long barrel would be an easier target, say, it would be easier for Justice to get close enough to slice the rifle in two. Also as I said, if the Justice grapple stinger doesnt appear needed, why not just give it to Legend and increase its variety of armaments? (I don't mean give it as in plot-wise, lol... as if Athrun would give Rey a new weapon) |
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2006-06-16, 07:01 | Link #75 | |
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It reminded me of an SRW@3 4-koma where Minaki asks Touma whether he has a drivers license(following the game dialogue) and Touma finds out that Raioh is piloted with a steering wheel.
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2006-06-16, 11:56 | Link #76 |
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I have to say though, at least to me, Saviour/Justice/I-Justice lack originality or uniqueness. I just don't see anything that big of a change between them. Heck even Aegis could fit in there if it wasn't for the fact that it turns into Crab-Claw mode and like, well yeah. Minor details don't really matter, since that could be said about Legend/Providence comparison, but seriously, S/J/I-J have nothing that stands out. They are just suits that are supposedly good, painted redish, and are piloted by Athrun. Seriously, no wonder he's unstable in GSD. I mean, Saviour comes AFTER impulse, yet impulse is waaaayyy cooler.
Put it this way, do you want to be Starscream with your "HEY LOOK MA I CAN FLY" or do you want to be the whole damn show "OPTIMUS PRIME, 5-MOTHER TRUCKER LINK MODE WHATEVER MA BOBER" with extra damn parts? If you time it, Shinn's impulse transformer time takes up like what? 1/10th of the episode every time? That's as long as the damn opening or ending. That's spotlight right there. And to think, they actually RE-USE the impulse, but not the saviour despite saviour being more "advanced". |
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It's as you made it appear. Shinn and Impulse was meant to be the mainevent for a while and Saviour was like, just there. That's how it was meant to be, I guess. Justice and ∞ Justice - you can't really compare them since I treat them as basically the same - only one is the modded version of the other. It's like saying the NSX-R GT isn't original because it looks like an NSX Type S.Of course it isnt original since they're basically the same chassis. I might have misunderstood your post (and I probably most likely have, but this was how I interpreted it, so correct me if needed). Saviour however, may not be original, but a LOT of fans like it. It transforms which is a similar feature of Aegis, is crimson just like all of Athrun's suits, and packs a bit of firepower. I don't think this suit wasn't meant to be anything as significant as Justice - think of Saviour as another 'starter-Gundam' for Athrun (how Kira started off with Strike in SEED, Athrun with Aegis, etc.). I think Saviour is kinda like a ZAFT version of Aegis. And as for the Justices, IMO, they ARE kinda original to me - no other overpowered or 'significant' suit uses subflight lifters for great offensive and defensive purposes, and especially ∞ Justice, which packs more melee weapons than any other suit in the entire CE. They are the 'something special' that other suits don't have. Justice basically OWNS its own league - the close combat league and that's what I think sets it apart from the rest. However, Providence and Legend suffer more in the originality scale nowadays, since MANY suits have adopted the Dragoon system, and these two seem more like Dragoon-speciality type mobile suits to the extent that Dragoons are their primary weapons. Unlike Strike Freedom, which even with Dragoons, can still have other combat options such as two rifles that combine, a chest cannon, rail guns, etc. Akatsuki also ripped off the Dragoon gimmick now too, making Legend even less 'significant' and more 'its got dragoons, so what'. Destiny kinda suffers from originality as well - its weapon loadout is just basically all the Striker packs put together - the only thing 'kind of' original or significant about it is the wings after images and the palm cannon. No one else has them. But we still like it, dont we? Anyways, bottom line is, Legend & Providence suffers the MOST in originality's case. Let's take a look at it's armaments: *Beam rifle - geez, almost every suit has this. *Beam shield - Destiny, Freedom, Justice, etc. have it too *Dragoons - like I said before, these seem like the suit's speciality, but Freedom, Akatsuki, Chaos, heck, even Zaku's use them now. *beam sword/javelin - yeah, another standard issue weapon The only thing I'd say that's as close to significant or different about Legend is armaments is how it has the Beam Spike type Dragoons, which can basically stab, jab, etc. unlike other dragoons. But still, all the other overpowered Gundams have their own gimmick - Freedom has its many, many guns, Destiny has its wings/after images, and Justice has its backpack and blades etc. |
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2006-06-16, 22:20 | Link #79 |
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I wouldn't say Saviour being 'more advanced' though. But I'd say its still on par with Impulse - it can hold its own having two giant beam cannons, beam sabers, rifle and a cool AERODYNAMIC shield (wow) and a transformable feature.
Impulse just has more combat options (obviously) which made it more interesting to watch. |
2006-06-16, 22:58 | Link #80 |
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Saviour had firepower comparable to Blast Impulse and the speed and maneuverability of Force Impulse. So I'd say Saviour is more advanced.
But Impulse's greatest strength is quickly adapting to the situation, as shown many times in GSD. |
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