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dreamless · 2004-05-25, 08:52

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Originally Posted by Yebyosh

My understanding is that

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that is also my understanding... however

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Melazoma · 2004-05-25, 10:36

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Originally Posted by dreamless

I'm not so sure that it's another two part... I feel this time it might be a bit longer...

actually now the cook "standpoint-less Kyohei" (his surname is so fitting

) seems to have some potential to do something more than cooking

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that's a very, very good point you put up there--the "logical" kanji conversion to the surname "Tachibana" is usually "orange." I didn't notice the "without standpoint(=no balls?)" pun until I took a glance at the ED credit

~~ZeppelinJ0~~ · 2004-05-25, 14:02

Hahaha!! I'm glad you brought that up, I would never have understood what that meant

That's really funny! Now I want to see the next ep, damnit!

Guido · 2004-05-25, 18:59

Kyouhei by far has been deemed as the most underrated character. However, I do digress that qualifying him as 'just the useless loser' is mere superficial judgement.

Kyouhei himself has some few virtues that deliver his sympathy, at least to me, since the first episode.
We know he's a pattisier that's got the 'gift' for homemade cooking. (Don't ask me about the gift, you just have to feel it yourselves) He has a dream to study abroad and improve his talent. He's no mommy & daddy's boy, because he wants to earn his gain by his own effort.

In the second episode, I felt that Kyouhei actually acknowledged that he's weak in both physical and life experience levels. He isn't the type of boy who makes much hassle and no action. While GONZO retains the typical traits of the loser boy on him, the writers have neither given him nor treat him (to my pleasure) the Urashima Keitarou stereotypes.

C'mon, How many anime loser boys have you known of that confess and actually acknowledge maturely that they are weak right from the very start?...

I think that Kyouhei, as the plot will progress, will grow up from a bystander-role character into a supporting character; probably will be there more for emotional support mainly and sometimes for backup. But, in no way, he was never intended to become a lead male, neither being fit into a harem; I do not feel like it.

I guess his experential development will take form and rise from the given perils associated with the girls' missions, witnessing real life situations in which you must take care on your own and treatment given to him mainly from Jo; snap out from your cloud, this isn't western film shootout but the real word, as seen in episode 2.

Probably, Kyouhei is given this wipe-your-ass doggie treatment because he still is viewed as a stranger within an all-girl family; 'xcept for Sei who had acknowledged him because he has a steady goal and wants to achieve it by his own, likely Sei respects that kind of attitude.

Anyways, to conclude I personally believe that by the end of the series, Kyouhei will become more like the Xander from the Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

He will never stand in the spotlight on the front stage, but hell yea, we're sure that he'll always be in the backstage watching things differently from both Meg and Jo.

dreamless · 2004-05-25, 20:16

I don't think we can even say Kyouhei as overly weak, he's not really that weak, just that he's comparatively weak when put in the midst of four superhuman girls... I mean, even Meg who is arguably the weakest of the four girls, can do some miracle feat like saving Yoko by jumping off the rooftop and sustaining the weight of two persons with one hand.

Kyouhei is, by all accounts, a normal boy, and maybe even a bit stronger than the average punch bag by-standers, from his actions in episode 2 and 7. Also he can really cook some great stuff, so he has some special skills that's only his. I mean, if we compare the ability to beat people (and everything else) up, then no one can stand against Jo, but if we compare the ability to cook great food, then Kyouhei is the winner.

dreamless · 2004-05-26, 15:14

wow, it seems Kyouhei actually got some chance at hooking up with Jo in ep8.. but nah, I'd prefer him to get together with that cute class rep.

~~ZeppelinJ0~~ · 2004-05-26, 16:31

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Originally Posted by dreamless

wow, it seems Kyouhei actually got some chance at hooking up with Jo in ep8.. but nah, I'd prefer him to get together with that cute class rep.

Woah woah what??!! Where is the preview, how did I miss this?? Mine cut off right after the credits!!

Jo is sooo > than all those girls ;p

PS: We need a BakuTen gif thread

dreamless · 2004-05-26, 16:38

not in preview, just finished watching ep8

BTW, such a nice avatar

~~ZeppelinJ0~~ · 2004-05-26, 17:30

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Originally Posted by dreamless

not in preview, just finished watching ep8

BTW, such a nice avatar

I'm jealous

I've only seen up to 6, I want to watch the raws but afraid I'd ruin the storyline for when I see it subbed.

I do love this avatar, heh, Secca did a nice job on it

Is yours Nina/Anna from Monster?

Melazoma · 2004-05-26, 17:44

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Originally Posted by ZeppelinJ0

I'm jealous

I've only seen up to 6, I want to watch the raws but afraid I'd ruin the storyline for when I see it subbed.

I do love this avatar, heh, CaSe did a nice job on it

Is yours Nina/Anna from Monster?

It's not that hard with a show like Baku-Ten, where lines are predictable and repetitive. I can get roughly 70%ish of this show without subtitles. The rest are made up of educated guesses drawn from key phrases and the image on the screen

I always get the subbed version when it gets released, just to make sure that I wasn't too much off-base with my interpretation--and hey, I'm improving

Such is the case with Baku-Ten, Melody of Oblivion(here we go again) on the other hand, like Konomini contains far too much delicious--for the lack of a better word--dialogue to be heard by my guess-timating ears. I wait for them to be translated and subbed in those cases. Althought that may change in the case of Melody of Oblivion--I'm working on getting the raws now because I can't take it anymore!!

Damn the consequences of me misinterpreting things

~~ZeppelinJ0~~ · 2004-05-26, 20:19

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Originally Posted by Melazoma

It's not that hard with a show like Baku-Ten, where lines are predictable and repetitive. I can get roughly 70%ish of this show without subtitles. The rest are made up of educated guesses drawn from key phrases and the image on the screen

I always get the subbed version when it gets released, just to make sure that I wasn't too much off-base with my interpretation--and hey, I'm improving

Such is the case with Baku-Ten, Melody of Oblivion(here we go again) on the other hand, like Konomini contains far too much delicious--for the lack of a better word--dialogue to be heard by my guess-timating ears. I wait for them to be translated and subbed in those cases. Althought that may change in the case of Melody of Oblivion--I'm working on getting the raws now because I can't take it anymore!!

Damn the consequences of me misinterpreting things

I love all 3 of those listed

I can't ruin my intial interpretations by al anguage barrier

I have to be a patient little man and wait.... gahh

Plus if you're able to guess the plot from just actions, it's probably not all that complex...

taiitsu · 2004-05-26, 20:20

ewww!! Kyohei and Jo????? After all that about Jo and Meg, that better not happen!!! Anymore spoilers??? Cant wait to get my hands on it!

Melazoma · 2004-05-28, 18:30

Just saw Episode 8 raw--I'm left speechless by this truly action packed episode--just... wow

I'll repeat myself in saying that this was not as hard to watch as Melody of Oblivion when it comes to raws

--I'm still feeling the trauma, refer to the Melody of Oblivion thread for that.

Dreamless may be right in the "hook up" prediction--regardless of what may come, one thing is certain, Kyohei is no ordinary weakling.

Spoiler for Minor snippets of Kyohei and Episode 8 notes:

If I haven't said it before, let me declare this now: "GONZO is 3-D & Cel-shaded Robo-Animation King!"

~~ZeppelinJ0~~ · 2004-05-28, 20:04

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Originally Posted by Melazoma

Just saw Episode 8 raw--I'm left speechless by this truly action packed episode--just... wow

I'll repeat myself in saying that this was not as hard to watch as Melody of Oblivion when it comes to raws

--I'm still feeling the trauma, refer to the Melody of Oblivion thread for that.

Dreamless may be right in the "hook up" prediction--regardless of what may come, one thing is certain, Kyohei is no ordinary weakling.

Spoiler for Minor snippets of Kyohei and Episode 8 notes:

If I haven't said it before, let me declare this now: "GONZO is 3-D & Cel-shaded Robo-Animation King!"

Why must you taunt me so!!!!! That's 2 whole episodes I've yet to catch up on.... rraahh, I'm ready to get the raws!!

Silent Otaku · 2004-06-03, 08:34

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Originally Posted by taiitsu

ewww!! Kyohei and Jo????? After all that about Jo and Meg, that better not happen!!! Anymore spoilers??? Cant wait to get my hands on it!

I think they make a kawaii couple. Plus who wouldn't want a wife like Kyohei

dreamless · 2004-06-03, 09:27

wow, eposode 9 is no more 2-parter,

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~~ZeppelinJ0~~ · 2004-06-03, 13:28

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Originally Posted by dreamless

wow, eposode 9 is no more 2-parter,

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I hate you

Raws arent even downloadable anymore, no seeds!!! Is the subbing stalled on this??? /cries an ocean

PS: How did you have a 651MB Signature, Dreamless????

dreamless · 2004-06-03, 15:31

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Originally Posted by ZeppelinJ0

I hate you

Raws arent even downloadable anymore, no seeds!!! Is the subbing stalled on this??? /cries an ocean

PS: How did you have a 651MB Signature, Dreamless????

well, you could try some chinese bit-torrent sites, they have seeds for the chinese fansub which you can watch as raws at least

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Off-topic : err... I guess 651MB means 651K... well, seems I kinda went over the limit somehow... I did read the forum rules, but since it seems no one follows the 80 pixels height rule (include the one who posted the rules), I figured that I could test the limit a bit

oDin01 · 2004-06-03, 22:02

For those who watched episode 9. Was the movie Joe and the guy were watching based on a real live-action movie. For some reason those scenes looked familer to another movie.

~~ZeppelinJ0~~ · 2004-06-03, 22:14

I got my episode 8 RAW, donno if I wan't to try watching though

eeeek....

2004-05-28, 18:30	Link #253
Melazoma Avatar Back Shortly Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Away from any Draft Board Personnel Age: 40	Just saw Episode 8 raw--I'm left speechless by this truly action packed episode--just... wow I'll repeat myself in saying that this was not as hard to watch as Melody of Oblivion when it comes to raws --I'm still feeling the trauma, refer to the Melody of Oblivion thread for that. Dreamless may be right in the "hook up" prediction--regardless of what may come, one thing is certain, Kyohei is no ordinary weakling. Spoiler for Minor snippets of Kyohei and Episode 8 notes: For someone to earn Jo's respect... he's something alright. Also, isn't it nice that there are still nice and decent people in this decrepit city? It's sad and rather true that these are often the people cast down to the bottom rung of society. I wish my listening skill is better. I really wanted to understand their little speech to Jo and Kyohei. All I got was something about a person's life... or something And that Jango vs. Gattai Crow gunfight--damn! I sat straight up--almost stood for that scene. Something about it just hit the right chord with the robo-animation and the neo-western score... If I haven't said it before, let me declare this now: "GONZO is 3-D & Cel-shaded Robo-Animation King!"

2004-06-03, 09:27	Link #256
dreamless /Ultimate Magic Attack!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Time Warp/Future	wow, eposode 9 is no more 2-parter, Spoiler: it's a one-parter Meg PWNZ everyone in this episode, she transformed into a winged tiger! @_@ or something... I'd like to see how Gonzo going to tie up all these thing together in the end, there was already Bubblegum Crisis, Biohazard, Maria-sama ga Miteru, Ghost in the Shell, and now they even add Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon/Bruce Lee into it

2004-05-25, 14:02	Link #243
~~ZeppelinJ0~~ Disabled By Request Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Cali	Hahaha!! I'm glad you brought that up, I would never have understood what that meant That's really funny! Now I want to see the next ep, damnit!

2004-05-25, 18:59	Link #244
Guido Snobby Gentleman Join Date: May 2004 Location: Monterrey, México Age: 43	Kyouhei by far has been deemed as the most underrated character. However, I do digress that qualifying him as 'just the useless loser' is mere superficial judgement. Kyouhei himself has some few virtues that deliver his sympathy, at least to me, since the first episode. We know he's a pattisier that's got the 'gift' for homemade cooking. (Don't ask me about the gift, you just have to feel it yourselves) He has a dream to study abroad and improve his talent. He's no mommy & daddy's boy, because he wants to earn his gain by his own effort. In the second episode, I felt that Kyouhei actually acknowledged that he's weak in both physical and life experience levels. He isn't the type of boy who makes much hassle and no action. While GONZO retains the typical traits of the loser boy on him, the writers have neither given him nor treat him (to my pleasure) the Urashima Keitarou stereotypes. C'mon, How many anime loser boys have you known of that confess and actually acknowledge maturely that they are weak right from the very start?... I think that Kyouhei, as the plot will progress, will grow up from a bystander-role character into a supporting character; probably will be there more for emotional support mainly and sometimes for backup. But, in no way, he was never intended to become a lead male, neither being fit into a harem; I do not feel like it. I guess his experential development will take form and rise from the given perils associated with the girls' missions, witnessing real life situations in which you must take care on your own and treatment given to him mainly from Jo; snap out from your cloud, this isn't western film shootout but the real word, as seen in episode 2. Probably, Kyouhei is given this wipe-your-ass doggie treatment because he still is viewed as a stranger within an all-girl family; 'xcept for Sei who had acknowledged him because he has a steady goal and wants to achieve it by his own, likely Sei respects that kind of attitude. Anyways, to conclude I personally believe that by the end of the series, Kyouhei will become more like the Xander from the Buffy the Vampire Slayer. He will never stand in the spotlight on the front stage, but hell yea, we're sure that he'll always be in the backstage watching things differently from both Meg and Jo.

2004-05-25, 20:16	Link #245
dreamless /Ultimate Magic Attack!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Time Warp/Future	I don't think we can even say Kyouhei as overly weak, he's not really that weak, just that he's comparatively weak when put in the midst of four superhuman girls... I mean, even Meg who is arguably the weakest of the four girls, can do some miracle feat like saving Yoko by jumping off the rooftop and sustaining the weight of two persons with one hand. Kyouhei is, by all accounts, a normal boy, and maybe even a bit stronger than the average punch bag by-standers, from his actions in episode 2 and 7. Also he can really cook some great stuff, so he has some special skills that's only his. I mean, if we compare the ability to beat people (and everything else) up, then no one can stand against Jo, but if we compare the ability to cook great food, then Kyouhei is the winner.

2004-05-26, 15:14	Link #246
dreamless /Ultimate Magic Attack!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Time Warp/Future	wow, it seems Kyouhei actually got some chance at hooking up with Jo in ep8.. but nah, I'd prefer him to get together with that cute class rep.

2004-05-26, 16:38	Link #248
dreamless /Ultimate Magic Attack!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Time Warp/Future	not in preview, just finished watching ep8 BTW, such a nice avatar

2004-05-26, 20:20	Link #252
taiitsu Junior Member Join Date: May 2004	ewww!! Kyohei and Jo????? After all that about Jo and Meg, that better not happen!!! Anymore spoilers??? Cant wait to get my hands on it!

2004-06-03, 22:02	Link #259
oDin01 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004	For those who watched episode 9. Was the movie Joe and the guy were watching based on a real live-action movie. For some reason those scenes looked familer to another movie.

2004-06-03, 22:14	Link #260
~~ZeppelinJ0~~ Disabled By Request Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Cali	I got my episode 8 RAW, donno if I wan't to try watching though eeeek....