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Perfect 10 | 12 | 16.22% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 18 | 24.32% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 16 | 21.62% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 9 | 12.16% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 5 | 6.76% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 7 | 9.46% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 1.35% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 1.35% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 5 | 6.76% | |
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2011-11-02, 11:14 | Link #142 | ||
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.....but it's just a rumor,nothing is known for certain since it was super secret....i wonder why..... (oh god,i'll get another neg rep for this,) @Nixl Quote:
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2011-11-02, 11:25 | Link #143 |
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I think I finally figured out the confusion I have had with Cassandra's form. It actually reminds me of something out of Gantz. The author of Gantz has some creatures with the same human qualities, yet grotesque and often completely strange to view. I think it actually fits Cassandra. Consider that Roxanne called Cassandra's technique strange, awkward, and perverse. Now we have an awakened form that is just that.
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As for Roxanne's awakening body, I wonder if there will be a theme of hair considering it seemed like her hair was starting to tentacle out. Last edited by Nixl; 2011-11-02 at 11:38. |
2011-11-02, 11:35 | Link #145 | |
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If that works we'll see Priscilla and Clare or even Luciela and Raftela going out that blob...
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2011-11-02, 11:42 | Link #146 | |||||
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I've long believed that the pace Yagi has set conflicts with the size limit of a chapter and it's only becoming more and more apparent to me. I mean it was bad in the Destroyer arc but this was far worse. Simply put Yagi is either going to have to cut down on how many plot lines he squeezes into one chapter or be given more pages per chapter. I'd be fine with either... if we got a better drawn out Cassandra vs Roxanne this month (still with Miria rushing in to help the twins but ending with her trying to get get Hysteria to set aside there difference to end the AB) then next month have the Hysteria vs Miria fight without all the jarring "twists" followed by Dae and Rubel this could have been way way better. Now if Yagi was just give 9 more pages and added a bit more detail here and there this too would have improved things. However as is, the whole thing was a mess just jumping from one plot element to the next and not quite wrapping them all together with a pretty bow. Don't get me wrong, I'd still be angry about the sword in the mouth thing but at least the chapter would have flowed well. Quote:
I don't know about you but the logic here seems very contrived and forced, his character has just done a 180. Not to mention impossible based on the fact that he had this plan before to bring back the number 1s, yet now it has just randomly become a séance to summon Priscilla. He's just making this too easy for Rubel... Plus Rimato seems smart enough... how come he didn't catch on to Dae just giving up on life and wasn't able to figure out the true intent of Dae research even though he had all of the reports. Quote:
Not sure what you mean by it being similar to Luciela's form beyond the mouths... I mean she was a cat and changed Isley in a melee, sure she attacked with her tails too but Cassy is sitting back and attacking with the head/tentacles very similarly to Riful or Agatha imo not Luciela. Quote:
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As to the sword sliding out of her mouth, it's quite simple a simple parry by Hysteria could have easily sent the sword flying out of her mouth if she did since Miria's mouth is only griping the handle from two points and isn't really enclosed around it. Plus Hysteria could have Eleganted out of the way, or just stabbed Miria as she went for the sword. This was a cliched villain must waste there time as the hero pulls out an 11th hour save sequence.
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2011-11-02, 11:44 | Link #148 | |||||||
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That's why imo it's not so strange for Histy to awaken even if she was stabbed in the neck. @Ryus Quote:
And what in your opinion is rushed,in my opinion is Yagi impressing to the battlefield a good speed 'cause i felt that the last few chapters were interesting but the pace was way too slow (if we continued at that speed the whole battle would have been incredibly long). Also for Dea making that plan to lure Prissy makes perfect sense, it's not that she decided at the last second to resurect past n.1s,BUT he decided to resurrect those specific warriors WITHOUT doing nothing to avoid their awakening when he ALREADY KNEW of Prissy's existence (or at least someone with absurd powers)....so no,his plan to lure Prissy makes perfect sense imo,especially since he would NEVER give up on something that interesting. I'll comment on the other points another time since i can't now, bye . ^^ EDIT: Still time so i'll go on. Quote:
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That happened only 'cause Histy lowered her concentration since she was already sure to have won. Al it takes for Miria to do all that is just a moment,nothing more. Since the very first battle when we saw Miria (against 6 arm AB),she was able to reach a comrade,take her and trasport her in a safe place, all of that in an istant..... So no,if the sword was near Miria,all it takes for her to take the sword and impale Histy is just an istant where Histy completely dropped her focus. If we also consider that they were quite close,what Miria did is absolutely possible with her speed. Also the force needed is irrelevant since as long as Miria reach Histy at that speed,the weight of the sword itself is more than enough to cut her neck, it's not that Miria had to perforate Dauf's armor,Histy neck is like butter for a sword. Quote:
The parry that you are talking about is something that didn't happen since Histy was taken by surprise.This point is completely invalid. It's like saying that Teresa wouldn't have died if she would have parried Prissy surprise attack. True,but meaningless. In other words the only thing that matter is what actuallyhappened: -Histy was taken by surprise -Histy didn't parry -Histy gained a sword in her neck.... Quote:
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2011-11-02, 12:21 | Link #149 | |
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Still this whole event brings up an interesting possible and plausible plot point, akin to Ghost in the Shell. Our understanding of death is that once a being dies, that's it. You can bring back the body, but the "soul" is gone. Here we see the complete opposite of that; not only did Dae bring the bodies back but they also have their old personalities (minus some memories). This suggests that the "souls" Claire holds (Teresa, Irene, Raphaela, Luciella, and now Priscilla) could conceivably be "restored" as unique individual beings. I'm starting to think that we're nearing the answer to what Raphaela meant when she told Claire she was making a big mistake. Remember that Raphaela gave Claire everything that was "her" before the Destroyer (this could imply she also gave Claire Luciella's memories too). Why would she do that? With the emphasis on "soul linking" and now being able to resurrect long dead Claymore complete with their "souls" intact....what exactly was the Organization (Dae) really experimenting on? Immortal warriors? It does seem silly but there is something at work here that Yagi is driving at, I think. Also, Cassandra's Awakened form totally gave me Gantz vibes.
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2011-11-02, 12:23 | Link #150 | |
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Anyways moving on... ... maybe you're forgetting what I've already posted on this thread but let me recap It was rushed since:
I could go on, but feel I've made my point and don't want this to sound like a crazy rant but more answering your question since that is what it is. Now let me ask other than your desire to see Clare again (which I very much have too) what made this good to you? That's been the only plot point you've seemed to have hit upon besides a cool comment here or there... Plus what made the plot slow besides lack of Clare? I mean we where having 3 new characters being introduced and none stop fighting in between the introductions... this couldn't have gone faster if Yagi tried IMHO. Most arcs are really 2 arcs of 7-8 chapters a piece in Claymore but these 3 have been here for only 5 chapters and all 3 have already awakened.
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2011-11-02, 12:54 | Link #151 |
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@Ryus,
I think you are making judgements based on incomplete info. For example, on page 28, Dae explained that he thought those three were his best creations and want to keep them near forever until he saw the arm. He also mentioned that he knew from the very beginning that resurrection is impossible. Edit: Chinese scan out. |
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Also if resurrection is impossible then just what are they? Minor chucks of Priscilla with someone else's personality? Oh, no wait they where already awakened beings since coming back... hence only modified resurrected warriors Who wants to bet when this logic is applied to Teresa later that due to Clare already being partially awakened both become ABs that don't eat poeple, lose their humanity, and resemble the twin goddesses? (ok that was me making judgements based on incomplete info, but it was more a joke... that will likely happen close to what I said anyways I mean minus a Deus Ex Machina or Clare getting a massive power up or Raphela coming back it's the only hope for the protagonists)
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2011-11-02, 13:17 | Link #153 |
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I have to say, I'm disappointed. Cassandra's Awakened form is a major let down (it'd be much better if the posture wasn't so messed up), but most disappointing in the lack of Roxanne development. We never got to see her fight (twice now Yagi has cut her fights off so we couldn't see her swordsmanship), no backstory after Cassandra's death, no death story for her. Now we have to wait a month to see if Roxanne and Hysteria's Awakened forms and Claire's new power-ups can redeem it even a little.
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2011-11-02, 13:21 | Link #154 |
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@Ryus,
I see. Anyway, it was just a remark since you said that there was plan by Dae for ages (was there one? My Claymore lore is pretty lacking), but the remarks made by him in this chapter seems to suggest this was a whim than a plan. As for what the zombies are, after remarking resurrection is impossible, Dae said "with awakening predetermined, they something else that borrow the forms of their previous life. " Although it is not clear what this "something else" exactly is. Yeah, I suck at translation. Edit: let me just give a brief summary of the conversation between Rubel and Dae. page 26: Rubel said that the others are in a state of panic since they can't find Dae. Then he wants to confirm if the awakening of zombies was in the plan. page 27: Dae said he is not running away, instead he just want a place to see the development. He explains that resurrection is impossible, and they are bound to awaken. Then Rubel question if Dae wants to destroy the organization (by releasing 3 ABs there). For this Dae answered that the organization is done for. The outcome was determined when all the warriors rebel. Even if the Mibs survive, the organization won't be able to return to operation. Now he just want to see the best creation. page 28: Dae explained that he thought those three were his best creations and want to keep them near forever until he saw the arm: only one arm but with the power of an Abyssal Ones sealed in (don't start power ranking until you get the official translation). the rest of pages: Not much except the previous mentioned plan to use the three to lure Priscilla. Last edited by Tom Bombadil; 2011-11-02 at 13:50. |
2011-11-02, 13:25 | Link #155 |
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OK, this chapter ranked high on my weird-o-meter... And I'm amazed that the early spoilers we got were true.
I honestly wonderwhat Yagi has been smoking lately. I mean, Cassandra's Awakened form... WTF I've only seen the raw but it looks like Roxanne was so busy laughing her head off at how Cassandra looked like that she was caught completely off guard; still, it was a well-deserved 'in your face' moment when she realized she was missing an arm . But Miria's fight... Where the hell did that extra claymore come from? Miria was already missing an arm when she charged so she couldn't carry both. The only explanation is that it belongs to another warrior and was laying right where Miria dove. Also, on page 20 we can see a little of a symbol on it so it's not one of the twins'. Also, I don't understand why Hysteria kept on fighting her with a freaking AB mere feet away. Despite earlier misgivings, the end of the fight did look quite awesome... reminded me of Alita vs the Tuned in Battle Angel Alita : despite being crippled, Miria won through sheer guts (and an iron jaw). But damn, if Miria survives being around 3 Awakened #1s, she'll definitely beat Clare and Raki in the plot armor department. Anyway, I'm waiting for the scanlation , hopefully it will explain some things. |
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This is not a complete manga,you know?...and btw Yagi has to balance the flash backs with the real evolution of the battle.....and tbh he did enogh flash backs in the last chapters.... Also i'd like to point out that this is Yagi's style in general, he doesn't give a lot of infos about his characters,you have to understand them looking at their actions. The list of characters to prove this is so long that i'll spare you,but anyway complaining about this now it's another nonsense imo since Yagi used this style from the very beginning,so if you failed to notice it's your fault again imo,not the story rushed..... ....at best i can accept that you don't like his "style",but that's a completely different matter. Quote:
No,jokes aside,even if that would be the case (and it's just a speculation for now,nothing confirmed),what's so wrong with it? Maybe Yagi wanted Claire and Prissy to join everyone else in an huge battle from the very beginning,how can you know? The truth is that you have no basis at all to conclude that this is proof that the work was rushed. Quote:
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For all we know there is a concrete chance that almost all that you are complaining here now will be covered by the story in the next chapters. It's not that the 3 monter sare around for 200 chapters,lol.Yagi has to balance informations and progress in the story,especially since it's a monthly release if he focus to give an answer to all that now,the battle will move on way too slow and in 2 years Deneve's group won't be arrived yet,lol. Quote:
....and we are not sure yet what actually triggered Histy awakening,for all we know it's 100% possible (even probable i'd say) that Histy regained her memory when she suffered the fatal wound. In the end you are complaining once again for something that the readers are not supposed to know yet. Quote:
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That's something i hoped would happened since imo it wouldn't be realistic at all if the pace of the battle would have stayed as slow as in the past chapters. I hoped in an awakened form for Cassy that somehow would have some connection with her unique technique so even in this sense i think Yagi did a good job. Quote:
Sometimes is good to go slow,but when you want the readers to REALLY feel the battle going on,you can't use a slow pace,you have to go all out imo. A concrete example: if Yagi would have done another flash back now,even if we would have gained new infos on the characters the battle would have lost a lot of tension and that would have been quite bad,at least that's my opinion. Quote:
Like i said,different eyes,different opinions. Edit: sorry for the many grammar mistakes in this post,i really don't have the strenght to correct them all,lol.I give up. |
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2011-11-02, 14:29 | Link #158 | |
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And her attack with a mouth is even less possible, Ryus has explained it beautifully. Add to this she had get up from a "face on the ground + everything else on the ground" position (it's almost impossible for a human being to do that without using your hands and impossible without kneeling) - no matter how strong her legs were it was an impossible task unless she was way faster than Hysteria and/or had super powerful neck muscles so she could try getting up using her neck which would mean they were more powerful than her leg muscles which is absurd. Basically, Miria had to get on her knees first, get up, make a 180 degrees rotation and be far enough from Hysteria so she could do what she did (otherwise stabbing wasn't an option, only slicing) while Hysteria had perfect position all of her limbs and greater speed and technique according to Miria, lol. And add to this that she lost much more steam than Hysteria (at least she should have) since she was using her youki reserves while Hysteria didn't even go golden besides the moment of her elegant technique. Now, Malak is explaining it that Hysteria lowered her guard. Well, it's hard to refute if we take into account Teresa's example. The difference however between these two cases is that Miria and Hysteria were of comparable class, in fact Hysteria had an advantage. But here, Hysteria did not slow down (contrary to Teresa who suppressed her youki while facing an opponent who was faster than her at 0%), on the contrary. It looked that Miria slowed down since we didn't see her distorted face. So WTF? Also, Miria was so powerful that after all this constant youki release she could easily attach her right arm. She even knows telekinesis since I don't see how she could put it in the right position with her teeth... Anyway, I disliked practically everything in this chapter and what I liked wasn't enough to change my opinion of it. For example I was glad to see Rubel again and some pictures (like Cassie drooling on Roxanne or the picture where she eats Roxanne's hand) and the fact that I'll probably see Clare next chapter (hence colored page) but all of it might make next chapter good, not this one. |
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